What people care about is running AK over, and over. Especially casual and "standard" (for a lack of a true term) players. In order to get your relic weapon and full darklight. It takes close to 80 full runs of AK; if done at 20mins a piece, that's about 28 HOURS of running AK. This is quite literally progression...
Until now. Now it's going to take even longer. The idea of running AK LONGER next time for an alt is just not happening. Put out some more content if you're going to make the game even more mind numbingly repetitive. FATE grinding is bad enough, especially for ST melee. I am not saying make the time required less, or make it easier. I am saying I don\\'t want to turn my brain off through the 5th to 80th dungeon run because there is nothing new to learn or interact with. You shouldn\\'t care about the time neededy, you should care about what you\\'re doing with that time.
The real problem with the speedrun nerf. Content.
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09-13-2013, 01:52 AMTrinthThe real problem with the speedrun nerf. Content.
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09-13-2013, 01:55 AMKanzer
I find it funny how people complain about there only being one dungeon.
While I do agree that there needs to be more than one dungeon to get these things, let's be real here. Even if they do add more dungeons one of those dungeons is going to be quicker than the others. Which means people will farm the one that is quickest, which means, people will still be running the same dungeon over and over and over regardless. -
09-13-2013, 01:56 AMTrinth
Also random forward slashes for mobile users it seems on apostrophes.
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09-13-2013, 01:57 AMSomnus
There are 3-4 high level dungeons which all award tombstones. Just for your info.
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09-13-2013, 01:59 AMTrinthSo they can balance it and make it close. They could also make a dungeon much harder (mechanically, not gear) and give more of a reward for that. They have an infinite possibility factor. It is a game after all.Quote:
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09-13-2013, 02:01 AMKanzerStill doesn't take away the fact that people will find what is mot efficient and whatever that is is what people will do over and over again, ignoring everything else. It's simply how things work. I'd rather they put their focus more in the end, end game, rather than providing more dungeons to farm for the gear to get into that level of end game.Quote:
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09-13-2013, 02:04 AMIraedaPraetorim is Looonnnng(but kinda fun with magitek section) Castrum is the same boss repeated 3 times then a "Click button to win fight" one and then the same boss you fought 3 times already. WP is fairly interesting with the Stalker and the Grudge mechanic but that's still just PHilo tomes, leaving AK as the ONLY real source of myth so AK is STILL getting run 8+x a week no matter what.Quote:
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add some Myth to WP and I for one would be running it more often even if just for something "Different" -
09-13-2013, 02:11 AMKikInperiIt's tomestones. Just for your info.Quote:
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09-13-2013, 02:31 AMOrophin
I'm going to go on a limb and say it probably wasn't their intention for you to have your relic and all Darklight within a week. (assuming 4 hours of play, 7 days a week)
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09-13-2013, 02:36 AMAcydOhhhhh Oro, stop making sense =PQuote:
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09-13-2013, 02:40 AMKeres
I agree that there ought to be more varied ways to earn Mythology tomestones. I like the dungeons, but AK is the only one that gives them and the primals give too few to be worthwhile so we're basically left to run AK 8 times a week to get them all. Perhaps when SE adds repeatable/daily quests, they can allow you to earn some Philosophy/Mythology through them as well. A little more variety would be nice, is all!
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09-13-2013, 02:45 AMIraedaCastrum isn't much longer then a AK Speed run was(assuming all 8 players are good/know what they are doing) so you'd STILL have full Darklight/relic in a week only difference now is it takes 6-7hours to cap Myth instead of 3Quote:
Originally Posted by Orophin
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09-13-2013, 02:50 AMSajittariusThank you. I was getting tired of being the one to correct people, lol...Quote:
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09-13-2013, 07:08 AMTrinthI'm going to go on a limb and say it's probably not fun to do the same dungeon and nothing else for (now more than) 28 hours for progression.Quote:
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09-13-2013, 07:18 AMVelveteer
Oh my god the game JUST CAME OUT.
People complain about not enough content.... WHEN IT JUST CAME OUT.
It will be, WHEN IT COMES. -
09-13-2013, 07:37 AMJennica
level another job.
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09-13-2013, 07:40 AMSlamboThey were never called tombstones. Just for your info.Quote:
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09-13-2013, 07:58 PMTrinth
"It just came out". This game is pretty much a reboot at this point. They also have experience with XI being a fairly successful MMO. That is absolutely terrible logic that a lot of people try to use on MMOs. Even actual new ones, its a bad defense line, stop using it.
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09-13-2013, 08:15 PMyukikaze_yanagireboot or not, the majority of content it's new. Also, what FFXI have to do with this game, or his content ?Quote:
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09-13-2013, 08:21 PMHix
The real problem is that Tomes of Mythology are probably supposed to be primarily farmed out of Crystal Tower and when they took that out they probably should have taken out Tomes of Mythology too.
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09-13-2013, 08:51 PMHaomaYour argument is so incredibly beside the point that it's sad. Being a reboot has nothing to do with anything (since all relevant content made it to this game anyway); FFXI's content has nothing to do with anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trinth
And for the record: no MMORPG releases with enough new content to sate speed-runners and power gamers for more than a few months. Name any MMORPG, and I assure you there was at least one group looking down on the masses from the top within a few months.
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09-13-2013, 08:56 PMAenarion
I wouldn't say that being a reboot means nothing in this case - for many legacy players, we really don't have anything besides the endgame to do, we didn't rush, we started 2.0 that way
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09-13-2013, 09:12 PMdarkm0d
Should have just used a Dynamis system where you could only get a few items per area, and even then, make drops rather rare.
You can call it XI fanboy / rose tinted whatever, but those who played XI know what I'm talking about. Having to do a bunch of wide open dangerous zone clears, being forced to progress through extremely hard fights and hoards of mobs to have just a chance to get an item is simply INFINITELY more engaging than "run best dungeon x times to insta-buy loot".
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09-13-2013, 09:34 PMAleksandr
I think they added the tomestones and the mythology ones due to how pleased everyone was with the Gurada fight in 1.0 vs the Ifrit fight. (those who actually won). Doing the content and being able to trade what you want for items was fun. This is vs running Ifrit 40 times and come off not having what you want.
I believe luck content is not fun, but I also agree more variety is needed. All MMOs are a grind, a well designed MMO does not feel that way. -
09-13-2013, 10:05 PMStanelisOne week ? I'd say two days actually.Quote:
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09-13-2013, 10:24 PMChurchill
(a) The only cockblock to getting a relic is grinding Tomestones, there is literally no other part of the quest that is hard and given 2000/2000 Tomestones you could do 2 completely different Relic quests in a matter of 3 hours.
Their intention or no, they've made a system that people generally enjoy (tokens, working towards a goal) and then shit on it by making it unenjoyable.
When I logged in today, this was what the game recommended to me:
http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...b1c3330b0a.jpg
There is one event in that list that I would do, and I only need to do it 2-3 times a week to cap out Mythology. Because of (a), there isn't a reason to really farm Primals nor would there be anyway because you could just do (a) again. That content is essentially dead. The story missions are complete zzz and I'd have to spend 6 hours doing them to get enough tokens for one crafting item. Ampador/crafted/DL is completely acceptable mix to beat Coil, so there isn't any real reason to go out of your way to grind anything past your 300 Mythology unless you are doing (a). -
09-13-2013, 10:59 PMHeavenzero
Honestly i think alot of WOW players ruin this game, they just want everything ezmode... this isnt WOW and if you want WOW go back to it.. I enjoy this game and as an Ex WOW player i dont want this game to end up EZmode
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09-13-2013, 11:47 PMNash774
Its funny from a legacy player's perspective. In 1.0 one of the biggest qualms was the fact that speed runs were necessary. You literally didn't need to fight most mobs in the dungeons (except CC obviously). I am so happy they got rid of this aspect. With all the "omg they hand you everything in this game" threads and comments, I'm surprised people are upset about this change. If you just want speed runs why don't we just make empty dungeons with only bosses or enemies as non attackable NPCs.
Also want to note I don't get to play very much and I welcome this. Now you actually have to fight your way through the dungeon to win. To me that makes sense. Play the game to get rewards... even if it does take some time. -
09-13-2013, 11:54 PMStanelisAmdapor keep is a terrible dungeon. It's a mere corridor with 3 bosses and an army of trashs mobs which only purpose is to slow you down. If it was interesting (or if you didn't have to farm it for tomestones) nobody would complain.Quote:
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09-14-2013, 01:38 AMKantide
MMO Player logic - This MMO was remade in 2 years and is expected to launch with 5-10 years worth of post release content. Let me go find my time machine so I can grab the expansions from the future...
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09-14-2013, 01:40 AMMarcux
Lol, stop calling them tombstones.. they are tomes.. as in books of mythology.. TOMES not Tombstones..
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09-14-2013, 01:42 AMMayin
I do runs of castrum, because the music is awesome. OP is QQ because he wants everything handed to him as quickly as possible.
It's going to take me 8 more runs to buy darklight armor, but i just do a few euns a day, and that's cool with me. -
09-14-2013, 01:42 AMChurchill
because no one cares about the specific way something is spelled
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09-14-2013, 05:16 AMLollerblades
It's like marmite! Love it or hate, it's here.
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09-14-2013, 05:31 AMWelsper59Everything becomes boring at some point in time. Your definition of "interesting" is temporary and subjective. Just as anything difficult is temporary once you know how to solve it. Do you think the rubik's cube is difficult to solve once you know how to do it properly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanelis
Project deadlines, financial expenses, leeway for problems to occur, potential failure to implement wanted feature (wasted time and money), time dedicated to priority tasks, risk management, etc. Work a day in your life on something that revolves around millions of dollars, and you might understand (just as I have). Then again, most people won't land a job that handles such things worth even a fraction of that. Risk management is a huge factor when it comes to limitations for something new, ESPECIALLY if it's a restart of a failed project. They do not have infinite time nor infinite money. They are a business and must work under professional limitations. No one truly understands things until they deal with it themselves.Quote:
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09-14-2013, 05:41 AMjpem
I like how people defend lack of content by being new. If this is an issue with every game that comes out and results in lots of people leaving why hasn't someone tried to make a game that doesn't follow the same fate. It's not that they can't do it but it will cost more money and time and companies don't want to make that gamble.
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09-14-2013, 05:47 AMBabydollSo instead their intention is re-do the same mind numbing crap over and over and kill pointless mobs?Quote:
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At least in a lot of other MMO I've played the grinding was challenging and not mind numbing. I thought that all throughout the time we were waiting for 2.0 Yoshida kept saying that the mind numbing crap would be gone. There would be instead hard and challenging fights for gear that couldn't be won within a week.
Well...people on Cactuar non-legacy beat BL last week or so. I know several others who did it too..my FC is about to start it.
Instead we get some really easy instances that we are forced to do over and over if we want to progress. This game atm feels like a hub game. Yeah, I know the game just came out that's fine...but SE were the ones insisting that the end game from the start would be all difficult and what not. Sorry, AK is not hard...at all. The primals are all about memorizing mechanics and having the right gear. Meh...
Also this. Why can't we have a really hard and challenging instance? What ever happened to the so called gambit system? >_<!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanelis