Thank you for fixing the speed runs SE. Many people hate the change but I love it. I was a good WHM. I did the speed runs, ran along and raised everyone just like everyone asked me to, nary a complaint, even though I hate speed runs.
I feel speed runs enabled jerks to... well be jerks. Complaining when some new player did not know their special way to clear the instance. I hope this alleviates some of the pressure new level 50 players feel when they get to this instance. I also hope this causes some jerks to quit the game.
I see this only as a positive change:
Thank you, SE.
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09-13-2013, 12:27 AMsciencerobSince no one else is saying it
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09-13-2013, 12:33 AMEldaena
There were several people, like myself and my free company, that did do speed runs and helped players new to the instance learn it as well. It doesn't matter if there are speed runs or not, people will still be jerks regardless. Now, instead of leaving because you don't know the instance, jerks will leave because you don't have the gear. Or you don't have some skill. Or you're not the job they want. Or anything they want. Maybe they just don't like the cut of your jib. It won't stop them from being jerks, but make it take longer to do the same repetitive dungeons. Hur.... ray?
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09-13-2013, 12:34 AMVaer
Now let's remove overheal Regen hate please.
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09-13-2013, 12:38 AMXenabelleS
Since my experience has been that it is very easy to run out of time in the instances, it's a bit disappointing that in the harder instances, there will now be so much time forced to be taken up by killing trash that there will only be a few attempts per boss before time is up. :(
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09-13-2013, 12:43 AMMayinSo you are upset that you have to do the instances the way they were intended, and that you cannot skip mobs. I've never tried these instances but I expect now you will actually have to be properly geared to succeed in them. WHAT A TRAVESTY!Quote:
Originally Posted by XenabelleS
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09-13-2013, 12:55 AMEldaena
Example: Just tried to duty find another AK run. First thing the tank tells the black mage, who declared they were new to the dungeon as they should, didn't have good enough gear. He had AF and some grand company accessories, which were fine to me, honestly. I've run this dungeon several times with a black mage and we have always managed to clear it without issue. The black mage needed to be run through to even experience the dungeon, so telling him he wouldn't do enough dps isn't even a point to be made until he got to try the fights. We were probably going to wipe a few times, but I wouldn't have minded. However, jerk people will still be jerks. The tank refused to do the dungeon until the black mage left and the black mage was actually going to do so. New-to-the-instance players should not have to be treated this way, to the point of guilt for it being their first time? I got upset and said the tank was a dick and left. As you can see, removing speed runs changed nothing. It's exactly as I predicted in my earlier post. And that was just my first attempt at doing that dungeon since the maintenance!!
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09-13-2013, 12:59 AMkowala
I was a bad SCH. I would let tanks die if they didn't skip the trash :O
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09-13-2013, 01:02 AMShyluvAs annoying as it it, I hope they don't remove it. I like the kind of gamble of it. If you are careful when you apply it, it is no problem at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaer
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09-13-2013, 01:30 AMKanzer
Unfortunately jerks will always be jerks. Nothing will ever alleviate that problem. That being said though this isn't a bad change. I don't mind doing the dungeon as intended, it's not like it's going to take that long to clear the trash. It'll add maybe...10-15 minutes at most for well organized groups with good DPS.
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09-13-2013, 01:32 AMEmeraldSerenadeSo not only do you not know what you're talking about, you make assumptions too. A+ Post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayin
Personally, I think this band-aid fix did more harm than good. A few more bronze pieces per chest is hardly worth the time investment to run these dungeons. Well, back to Castrum I suppose. -
09-13-2013, 01:35 AMAriynYou asked for it and you got it. Now you can expect a whole lot of:Quote:
Originally Posted by sciencerob
Taking out the speed runs did nothing but create more asshats. I'm not even ashamed to say I will be one of them. AK clearing trash will take 1+ hr ... considering I only have maybe 3-4 hours tops on any given day why would I risk an hour of it failing because the DPS can't get down Demon Wall? Granted I don't pug much at all for this same reason but even doing speed runs I put together my own groups for it as to not hinder or hurt new people pugging the dungeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldaena
So many are happy over this now change but in a week or two after these groups there will be so much QQ on these forums. "Gear takes too long to get" "people who leave need to be more harshly punished" "I can't complete a run because no tank will stay in group!" etc etc .... -
09-13-2013, 01:36 AMShigaru
Gonna play devils advocate. They didn't fix speed runs. They put a Band-Aid on them. The problem is the useless trash mobs. They need to fix that in order to truly fix speed running.
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09-13-2013, 01:40 AMKanzerExaggerate much? AK isn't going to take anywhere close to 1+ hours if your group is decent. Don't pretend this change all of a sudden made you an "asshat"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariyn
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09-13-2013, 01:49 AMNoata
Jerks can only be jerks as long as you let them, if a tank or anyone does something to be a jerk, make them leave. Tanks may be rarer then other classes, but still very much replaceable.
Lets not cycle through what if's honestly we can create an infinite matter of scenarios where the tank, healer, DPS are jerks or ragers. there is no credibility in what if's. They corrected the dungeon due to exploitation. there is nothing more or less, we can observe the effects, but outside the past we can be sure of nothing. -
09-13-2013, 02:02 AMZakarnRosewood
Ok, sorry for being out of the loop but I log on today and see several threads all talking about "speed runs" being "removed" but not a single link to the source of this "outrage". Can someone link the source of where this came from and how speed runs are actually affected? (Preferably the OP and to update the OP with the link as well.)
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Thank you Ruprect!
I take it this is what people are upset over.
I accented in bold the important part, IMO. What other changes could they make now that they are trying to "encourage" players to engage enemies? Yet another situation where the Wizards first rule comes into play "People are stupid. They will believe a thing to be true whether they want to to be true or are afraid it to be true." Coupled with people seeing what they want to see and not looking/thinking critically about the situation.Quote:
-Changes have been made to the behavior and mechanics of the enemies found within the “The Wanderer’s Palace” and “Amdapor Keep” dungeons to counteract instances of players running through the dungeon without engaging enemies on the way to bosses.
As advancing through dungeons without defeating enemies is not an intended strategy, we plan to continue making further changes in the future to discourage this type of behavior.
-In instance dungeon “The Wanderer's Palace” and “Amdapor Keep”, we have increased the amount of AllaganCoins that can be obtained from a treasure chest.
Not trying to be condescending and I apologize if I have offended people. I do realize that not everyone is in an uproar over this. Thank you so much for pointing me to the source materiel, I suspected there was more to it than the outrage. Take care!
Just my 2gil. -
09-13-2013, 02:06 AMRuprecthttp://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...ebe450663fde03Quote:
Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood
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09-13-2013, 02:24 AMVaer
Changes I have noticed:
AK:
Boss doors are now sealed until you kill specific trash mobs.
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09-13-2013, 02:31 AMXenabelleSMy point is that when you do try them, you are going to have significantly less time to try the boss fights cause most of it will be wasted killing trash. It's not a matter of gear - it's mechanics you've got to get down pat while doing maximum damage. An extra point of int or vit from a slight gear upgrade is not going to make a huge amount of difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayin
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09-13-2013, 03:10 AMSovereign
Yes, this is a great change. Now the mindless AK grind can be even longer and more grindy, yay! They could have just improved the rewards from killing trash to get people to WANT to clear it, but no. It's a much better solution to just force people to do it. Because grinding just the bosses in one dungeon over and over and over and over and over wasn't fun enough. Now we get to grind the trash AND the bosses in one dungeon over and over and over! Compelling gameplay, at it's finest!
Sarcasm aside, I understand they want people to clear trash, but MMO players tend to be very reward focused, and there was and is no reward for killing trash, thus people try to skip it. In fact, trash actively costs you gil to kill it. Now it costs less gil to kill, but we are forced to take far more time per mindless dungeon grind run. Not the best solution to the problem, imo. =( -
09-13-2013, 03:13 AMashikenshinit's only 8 times a week, you probably will only do it for a month before doing bahamut coil, maybe even less timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Sovereign
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09-13-2013, 03:18 AMRemn
I actually like the change in this patch.
now I can use the gear that drop in AK, spiritbind (spiritobund??, ;P) them in AK!!! (since u have to kill stuff, ) then convert it into materia and sell. ;D
since AK drop iLV 60 you will most likely gonna get Materia III. that should help out gill problem a bit. -
09-13-2013, 03:20 AMCarlosDanger
GENIUS!!!! SE, what a great idea, lets stop people from being able to progress quickly and forget about the other several thousand people who cant even log-in to the game. Good to know they have their priorities sorted!
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09-13-2013, 03:24 AMMelitheaActually it will have the exact opposite effect. New level 50 players will be "undergeared" for the increased time and difficulty of the dungeon now.Quote:
Originally Posted by sciencerob
And our bonus is more time wasted grinding for literally no reward. Color me excited.