# of whine threads proves how many people were abusing AFK...

It was difficult to judge on the forums before the AFK kick was put in, because the abusers weren't creating their own threads about it and weren't really saying anything at all (they were too busy abusing it and didn't want to draw attention to themselves).

Now that they can't abuse it anymore, they're screaming bloody murder about it, lending satisfaction to those of us who knew this problem was much bigger than everyone fully realized. It was a huge problem, and SE solved it appropriately.

Thank you!

I agree. I don't see the problem. It's not like you have to stay online to auction things like in some games. I think it was a good change. Holding a space on the server when someone else who hasn't gotten to play at all is being kept out is selfish. Now, I WAS guilty of this until the first round of capacity increases and login issues. Not for really long periods of time, but when I had to feed the kids or something and didn't want to wait another 2+ hours try to get in, yeah.. But those problem are gone now.

How can you abusse AFK? What do you get from that? If there is no reasion to be online and Abusse the AFK your thread is just plain useless and has no valid Point.
Can you craft while AFK? Or can you do I don't know different things like getting xp or so? IO wonder

The number of concurrent logins directly affects the decision to lock down logins for that server. How is THAT hard to understand? You are taking up a spot that another user may be in need of for purely selfish reasons. This will clear up congestion and allow other players to log in. Further, it decreases strain on the servers, as they no longer have to continually send you streams up data updating your client with information on everything gong on around your character. This further relieves stress on the server and makes a better experience for all involved. Simply log back in when you return. It's simple, basic stuff. I don't see the problem.

Why could you call it abuse? Get your casual pay to play attitude out of my subscription MMO. If I want to afk for an hour between mining points I should be able to without being kicked out of my purchased subscription.

lol @ all the people that wanted to log in all day and then go to work like clowns, who are now making up reasons that they weren't doing that

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Originally Posted by Zzyn

This will clear up congestion and allow other players to log in. Further, it decreases strain on the servers, as they no longer have to continually send you streams up data updating your client with information on everything gong on around your character. This further relieves stress on the server and makes a better experience for all involved.

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So you're saying that clearing out the characters doing nothing and replacing them with characters that are actively playing decreases stress?

lol.

Auto-logout is pointless. Server login issues are fixed.

Now instead of 7500 total players with 500+ afk we have 7500 active players and more server lag. Thanks guys, great solution.

I would AFK for days when they were having server issues, am I a bad person? No, survival of the fittest, what I did anyone could do. IDGAF about an AFK time because I log out when I'm not playing since it isn't difficult to get on anymore. So I don't see what everyone is bitching about. Why do you need to be logged on if you decide to watch TV learn to craft and watch tv at the same time nublets.

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Originally Posted by WhiteGarden

So you're saying that clearing out the characters doing nothing and replacing them with characters that are actively playing decreases stress?

lol.

Auto-logout is pointless. Server login issues are fixed.

Now instead of 7500 total players with 500+ afk we have 7500 active players and more server lag. Thanks guys, great solution.

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Instead of 500 zombies standing at the plaza you have people spread out across the world. You have more parties looking for members and faster duty finder queues.

So AFK should be a controlled substance?

Personally I don't really care anymore. The login issues have not been a problem for me since the last patch more or less and that was the only reason I did it. I don't care if someone else can't play because of it that is SE's problem to deal with. It seems they have fixed that to a large extent and so the AFK logout feature is fine with me.

See,

I don't really mind the auto-kick. I haven't had issues logging back in since the maint they did last Wednesday.

BUT. I think half an hour is too short of a timer, if you ask me.

i kinda think it should be longer than 30mins, like an hour. Last night before maintenance I was on DF with my roommate for party, and it took over 40mins (lucky there's a timer there and its odd it was taking so long). While he was crafting while waiting, I was doing laundry and other house chores. I can't do anything else too, because I want to stay in a sanction area just so if I get kicked inside a dungeon when its time for maintenance, I will still end up in an area where I can save bonus exp. Also the bonus exp on me, I don't want to spent it on crafting...

so imo, it can be a bit longer.

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Originally Posted by eeto

i kinda think it should be longer than 30mins, like an hour. Last night before maintenance I was on DF with my roommate for party, and it took over 40mins (lucky there's a timer there and its odd it was taking so long). While he was crafting while waiting, I was doing laundry and other house chores. I can't do anything else too, because I want to stay in a sanction area just so if I get kicked inside a dungeon when its time for maintenance, I will still end up in an area where I can save bonus exp. Also the bonus exp on me, I don't want to spent it on crafting...

so imo, it can be a bit longer.

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What's so difficult about walking over to your computer every 20-25 minutes and pushing the spacebar one time?

There's no good reason to complain about this fix. The only reason people are complaining is because they don't want to have to log back in after being afk for several hours while sleeping/at work/at school/etc.

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Originally Posted by eeto

i kinda think it should be longer than 30mins, like an hour. Last night before maintenance I was on DF with my roommate for party, and it took over 40mins (lucky there's a timer there and its odd it was taking so long). While he was crafting while waiting, I was doing laundry and other house chores. I can't do anything else too, because I want to stay in a sanction area just so if I get kicked inside a dungeon when its time for maintenance, I will still end up in an area where I can save bonus exp. Also the bonus exp on me, I don't want to spent it on crafting...

so imo, it can be a bit longer.

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If it were an hour, people would complain about it being an hour (too short). If it were two hours, people would complain about it being two hours. It's simple: the industry standard is 30 minutes. If it takes you more than 30 minutes to go poop, you're doing it wrong and should go see a doctor, not play FFXIV.

I was "abusing" the AFK system also, though I certainly don't think of it as abusing.
Since logging in during nonpeak hours and staying logged in was literally the ONLY way I could play a game I paid for, that's what I did.
Since last week's maintenance, I have stopped doing that because my server has (at worst) had a queue ever since then, and there's no reason for me to stay logged in if I am feasibly able to get in on my own.
Square Enix's decision not to have an AFK timer at the start was not my fault, I was just doing what I had to in order to enjoy the game.
Still, I'm quite happy that they implemented an AFK timer because that makes my life easier in the long run, I just don't think the people who did AFK in order to play the game in the first few weeks should be viewed as some sort of criminal.

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Originally Posted by Nura

How can you abusse AFK? What do you get from that? If there is no reasion to be online and Abusse the AFK your thread is just plain useless and has no valid Point.
Can you craft while AFK? Or can you do I don't know different things like getting xp or so? IO wonder

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you don't understand. anyone who doesn't play the game exactly the same way these control-freaks do is abusing the game.

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Originally Posted by Stumbleina

I was "abusing" the AFK system also, though I certainly don't think of it as abusing.
Since logging in during nonpeak hours and staying logged in was literally the ONLY way I could play a game I paid for, that's what I did.
Since last week's maintenance, I have stopped doing that because my server has (at worst) had a queue ever since then, and there's no reason for me to stay logged in if I am feasibly able to get in on my own.
Square Enix's decision not to have an AFK timer at the start was not my fault, I was just doing what I had to in order to enjoy the game.
Still, I'm quite happy that they implemented an AFK timer because that makes my life easier in the long run, I just don't think the people who did AFK in order to play the game in the first few weeks should be viewed as some sort of criminal.

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I agree with you. They shouldn't. But you also have a lot of the same people who did afk like you did, but they're coming here and complaining. They complain that a concept widely spread within games spanning almost every online gaming genre kicks afk players. I've afked a few times in order to maximize my game time. It sucks it's being implemented a little late but who knows what the future will hold.

Maybe the game will do another overhaul and more players will join, then an already implemented AFK system would do wonders. This is a reactive fix that could very well lead to being proactive in keeping the servers accessible for the foreseeable future. Why people complain about it I don't understand.

If this is your first game, realize that there's going to be AFK timers in most of your subsequent games after this. If this isn't your first game and you've never encountered an AFK timer, I have no idea what free to play bullshit you were playing. If you've played games with an AFK time and are complaining about this one? That's just dumb. That's like complaining about line lengths when you go to an amusement park.

I shouldn't have to worry about how long it has been since I've done an action in game. There are countless situations where this log out feature could come in to play when a person doesn't want it to. Why can't I just relax and play at my own pace? The people who are upset about the log out timer just want the convenience to be able to get away from the game without being punished for it, because that is how it feels.

This feature adds nothing other than stress to the player. Something Yoshida says he doesn't want to do. The only reason it exists now is because people complained back when they couldn't get a spot in the server. Not having an afk kicker wasn't the reason you have lag or can't log in. It was the teams failure to predict how many players were going to play their game and create enough servers for launch to go smoothly. And just launch at that, the log-in queues are nearly completely gone and numbers of players will only drop after launch.

If you don't do anything at all for a half an hour you aren't 'playing at your own pace'.

You're 'not playing'.

only abuse i see is you calling people out for staying logged in when square enix already said they underestimated the popularity of the games demand now you slam these people i find it funny that the mods are allowing you to disrupt the community with this hater crap, you need to grow up and move on.

Don't like? Don't play.

^ This. If you have some weird, creepy obsession where you can't sleep at night unless your character is logged in... find another game.


Also, get help.