Black Mage is OP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbSKGgPRZT4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD6PuXBPUJg

watch black mage dmg number and LB skill. Can any melee dps close to this, please show video to prove I was wrong.

Looks fine to me. Monk is an amazing dps class. Some day you'll group with a really well geared monk that know's how to react in every situation. Their dps is insane.

My monk is also level50, i know how good or bad they are. monk dps is better than dragoon but can't close to blackmage. show me a video if u think monk dps good, otherwise all nonsense.

so much enthusiasm

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Originally Posted by Valignor

so much enthusiasm

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Yeah.... It's the typical forum rabble. Someone sees a video and from that one video judgement has been passed and it's a proven fact. Rabble rabble rabble rabble!

Looks normal to me. I've seen more dmg output.

How are you gauging this damage without a parser? Just because you can't play your monk well doesn't mean another job is OP.

dps parser shows blackmages below me (as a bard) in most parties. the numbers are big but you have to think about how long their cast times are

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Originally Posted by MrEzekial

How are you gauging this damage without a parser? Just because you can't play your monk well doesn't mean another job is OP.

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They are one of the many illogical thinkers on these forums. There is no rhyme or reason to how their brain works.

Anyone can put up really amazing results if they get into the "zone". Though many times that's not possible, or just one member putting pressure on other members of the team.

A blm has the several useful abilities that should take into consideration, from healing to CC, to defense. That's why a lot of archers comes out on top, they really...don't have that many support abilities to consider. Same for most classes. You gotta do what you gotta do, not what you should be doing.

There will be times the team becomes a well oil machine, but there are just as many times your healer dies, and the only thing you can do is hope you can out last the boss with your pansy phyicks, your fancy footwork, and a desperate compression of priorities.

//That's why a lot of archers comes out on top, they really...don't have that many support abilities to consider.//

songs!

This BLM in particular is actually doing the rotation poorly, but regardless of that, it's normal and fine.

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Originally Posted by glim

songs!

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A lot less busy then most of the classes out there in terms of support, some of them don't even bother to switch the songs, if they even use it.

Damage of a single ability != DPS.
BLM don't have an autoattack.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

A lot less busy then most of the classes out there in terms of support, some of them don't even bother to switch the songs, if they even use it.

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that's a terrible deduction and the same logic could be used on other classes, bard songs are in demand most specially in our group. you see a lot less BLMs casting heals than a bard casting his songs.

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Originally Posted by glim

that's a terrible deduction and the same logic could be used on other classes, bard songs are in demand most specially in our group. you see a lot less BLMs casting heals than a bard casting his songs.

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That's exactly the point you yourself dug the hole with. I never said songs are not good.

Effectiveness of doing your job to win the battle does not equate to doing damage. Yet your second sentence completely reverses your first.

You do what demands of the situation. If a Blm has to spend his entire time healing and supporting, and it has happened, then it needs to happen. Brds songs are bard songs, what of it.

Forumers like to armchair stuff. Sometimes it works, sometimes, that's just elitism bickering, when they're probably pointing fingers at each other for failing a run.

A well oil machine is going to win, we already know that.

no, I was refuting your "bards are on top because they really don't have much support abilities to consider"

my second sentence totally supports the former, you implied that bard songs are insignificant that some wouldn't even bother to use it, insignificant in your mind perhaps that you would bother saying "they don't have much support abilities to consider". you would consider a BLM's heal more than a bard's song for you to make a statement like "archers don't have support abilities to consider", you are the one digging your own hole, so much inconsistent fallacies and mincing with words to try to make sense out of your irrational opinion.

my "the same logic could be used on other classes" I'm not using this to support my argument, I'm using it since you used the same logic on bards, and that you outweigh it's valuability but you applied on a BLM.

and it is a terrible deduction.

here is your logic.

A. Bards are better because they lack or use their support abilities.

my counter.

B. BLM are better if they don't use heals and support abilities.

mind you I only used BLM since it was your example, I do not know who has the best damage right now.


and you fail to see that support abilities on bards are not "support abilities to not consider" when songs are much more considerable than a BLMs heal, of course it depends on the situation but we are generalizing here, and this is not a closed particular.

Slow, big numbers have more shock value that consistent little ones. Especially when we lack reliable parsing.

Black mage regen phase allows for high burst. Just basing off of numbers isn't good.

Well given the fact that healing as a BLM is just a waste of global cooldowns, in tough bossfights are single target heals equal to a hot tick from a healer nothing, its better to go offensive rather than trying to rule the world with those heals, primaes are unforgivable when a healer dies ^^

hes not even doing that much damage in the video lol, im a dragoon and i do far more than that :p

In any case, that shows the BLM in one of its more advantageous fights, i.e. where movement isn't as much required. When you need to constantly be on the move, your damage drops considerably. As for healing, BLM healing is hardly fantastic, but if someone's dropped in a 4-man, you can often keep the tank up while the healer throws off a res.

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Originally Posted by jcw005

In any case, that shows the BLM in one of its more advantageous fights, i.e. where movement isn't as much required. When you need to constantly be on the move, your damage drops considerably. As for healing, BLM healing is hardly fantastic, but if someone's dropped in a 4-man, you can often keep the tank up while the healer throws off a res.

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It's ok. Most encounters don't have that much movement anyways.