BLM and SMN

Alright so i have never been the "caster" type of guy first character was a monk got bored of it currently 50 warr i LOVE the class nothing to complain about i thought it would play a caster for a change once in a while as im enjoying all the ingame content so far "yes even grinding" lol.

since i have a main "tank" and have no intention to give it up, i want one of the best possible dmg output for when my tank will not be needed no need to be overly fun or w/e i just want the one that hit the hardest out of the 2 caster

Long fight dps: Blm or Smn
Aoe Fights: Blm or Smn
Best burt: Blm or Smn
Scales better with end game gear: Blm or Smn

thank you for your time.

AoE/Burst Damage will definitely weigh in favor of BLM, SMN just doesn't have a lot of "Kill it now" Options... Ruin is only 80 Potency, and Dots will take too long to apply. Best bet on some AoE fights for SMN is Applying DoTs to main boss > extending via garuda > Bane... But Banes range is pretty short, and most times You'll want Ifrit for DD anyway.

Regardless, I think Long fight DPS Will favor a good SMN, especially one who utilizes all their DoTs and Fester/etc. as far as endgame scaling go, No clue Sorry :D

SMN dps is very good on long fights, and on movement fights, which seem to be a lot of the end game. Also if you level an arcanist, you'll have a healer also because of scholar.

Arguing with my lvl 50 healer friend ilvl60 that SMN arent trash, he keep saying they are and that he runs parses everyfight and they are always the last DPS. Is it true the whole dots dont show on parses thing ? I dont know ive seen one good SMN so far from experience people on forums say they are decent but somewhat behind and people ingame seem to hate on them in groups

From what I have been told, Parses calculates the theoretical amount of DoTs. I also think it doesn't do it for one of their DoTs...I don't know which, just what I was told by someone experimenting with it.

Also, I don't know if summons are considered part of Summoner dps on parses because Summons technically have their own aggro so damage might be considered their own but it still belongs to the summoner.

Not sure, 2 days ago i was seeing SMN most useless dps class blahblah all over the forums now im seeing SMN can parse top on boss fights etc
=_= damn this community is confusing

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Originally Posted by Hettrick

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It's because, without the parser, everyone is pulling DPS numbers out of their bums and no one actually knows anything.

Summoners, according to the end game raiders (Coil of Bahamut etc), are the highest DPS class currently for single target fights. They currently don't have that great of on demand instant burst other than Fester (which is great but limited) and are not as strong in the AOE department as black mages but their DPS is the highest in the game, surpassing bards, black mages, monks and dragoons. Also they are great in movement fights, just keep the DoTs up.

im levelling a smn and i love it...but i cant say the same in most fates,has low istant dmg very low but i think its better at 50 with the last skills (im 47) using tank pet seems take more "point" for gold medal but maybe its just an impression
only 1 suggestion to devs...show my dot before all others!!! light green is pretty the same as white and cant see if there are more than 2 bars dots on mob...really need a fix this
sorry for english! im running to eeeeeeat

Lol yeah, tracking DoTs is pretty difficult when there are a ton of debuffs on the boss but I suppose that just adds to the class' playstyle/difficulty

i think its just because they didnt think about what a mess can be in a full boss in a fate hehehe at least change color!!

Or a way to filter out other people's debuffs

SMN can make up for a lot of short comings with proper mob management on the part of the tank and substantial foresight on the part of the summoner. SMN is a far more involved class to play than BLM, and if you're looking for something you can quickly switch to without missing a beat, I would strongly discourage SMN to most players as they simply are not able to perform. SMN is a class that will take memorization on the part of both the tank and the SMN on each and every fight to do this maximal damage people are talking about. Garuda for instance, the feather's can be AOE'd if the Summoner has all the DoT's needed already up and with enough time left on them, has saved an aether charge, and is able to react within the 2ish seconds the feathers are clustered around Garuda. Failure to do any one of these things takes that Summoner from a superman hero to a waste of space. It is not particularly hard to orchestrate, but failure to do so is extremely punishing.

Also, if pet management isn't your thing, don't even consider SMN or SCH. You will always only find yourself mediocre at best =(.

So you`re saying DoTs can actualy be spread ( AoE ) if the mobs are stacked ?

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So you`re saying DoTs can actualy be spread ( AoE ) if the mobs are stacked ?

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Yes. The range on Bane is a bit small but as long as they are stacked or tightly clustered, the DOTs will spread to those mobs. For the Garuda fight, there's a window where she'll have them clustered on her and you can get your DOTs to transfer to all of them. You need to time it right and know when it's coming but it's highly possible.

Parsers providing theoretical DPS from DOTs can't really be trusted as a source of infomation because if the timing is off or if the damage is calculated differently than expected, it throws the numbers off. It's unfortunate because there isn't a sure fire way to calculate it correctly as DOT damage doesn't show up in the battle window, as far as I can tell.

Alright one last question i heard SMN cannot even come close to the AoE power of a BLM, Given we have the same LB if dots can be spread like that doesnt that make us , not on par but not that far behind them ? lol

Id love to see parses of how far ahead SMN are in single target and how far behind they are in AoE lol but everything is broken =_=

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Alright one last question i heard SMN cannot even come close to the AoE power of a BLM, Given we have the same LB if dots can be spread like that doesnt that make us , not on par but not that far behind them ? lol

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SMN does more AoE over time(10+ seconds), BLM does better burst AoE.

The AoE they are talking about is Bane, it basically spreads the DoT on the targetted enemy to surrounding enemies nearby- the range however is really short as stated. This is by no means a 'burst' AoE at all, it just spreads DoT's to all other nearby enemies.

Summoners are not an AoE or a Burst class hence they do not need those skills so if you are comparing AoE and Burst with a BLM who specialises in AoE and Burst Damage then the BLM will of course be far more superior in that area.

Summoners are a DoT based & pet management class, they deal with prolonged fights (Boss) and excel in prolonged and movement intensive fights.

i dont get how in 3 weeks nobody created a working parse yet (=_=) games need to start putting some ingame by default.

Would give me a way better idea as to how long does it take for a SMN to parse bigger then a BLM in a boss fight 2min ? 3 min ? will they parse less while clearing adds etc saying they parse bigger on bosses doesnt mean much as bosses arent 100% of the game. i guess the only way to know is to make one and i shall lol

thanks everyone

no one knows anything because squaresoft fails at making legitmate combat logs so making a proper program to parse is impossible.

the problem with parser is that the combat log doens't log dmg from dot (and heal form hot too).. so noone can create a working parser until they add those value to their combat logging... that is also the reason why on parser WHm seem so much inferior to sch... medica II and regen are the greates healing source for whm and not accounted by parser ^^'

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the problem with parser is that the combat log doens't log dmg from dot (and heal form hot too).. so noone can create a working parser until they add those value to their combat logging... that is also the reason why on parser WHm seem so much inferior to sch... medica II and regen are the greates healing source for whm and not accounted by parser ^^'

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It also loses track of instant cast abilities where your previous ability is overwritten.