Undyeable gear... what?

So there's a lot of really cool gear in this game, and you can dye almost none of it...

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Ok, I exaggerate slightly, but most of the green or blue gears (i.e. the cool looking ones -- darklight, acolyte stuff, GC, etc.) can't be modified, while dyes are reserved for the crummiest of equips.

So.. what gives? I understand not being able to totally dye GC uniforms for lore purposes, but if dying is included in the game why not give it some kind of dying component (i.e. the trim? something).

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Originally Posted by Winzhi

Yoshi said that they will not allow us to dye endgame gear for lore purposes.

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Still don't get it. Is there a union contract stipulating appropriate dress for a job? I get things like BLM should be black, I mean it make sense and all, but just like the GCs.. why not have a dyeable component that still perseveres the lore? Right now I'm wishing I'd kept my orange juice, lol!

Besides, if they're going to have vanity slots that sort of makes the lore point moot, since everyone will already be 'special snowflaking' by mixing and matching their preferred armors.

Yoshi said that they will not allow us to dye endgame gear for lore purposes.

Oh, and another thing, whats up with the non-convertible nonesense? I get if you want to make a gear non-sellable so its harder to get, but why not let players convert it when they're done with it (unless maybe its some kind of special armor? I don't even know...). I could see this being an RMT blocker for early armors.. maybe.. but why are things like obsolete AF gear non-convertible? What purpose does it serve?

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Originally Posted by Winzhi

Yoshi said that they will not allow to dye endgame gear for lore purposes.

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That makes sense for AF, although it sucks but other gear that they're just...making up..It's silly. I mean the lore for Darklight can be whatever they want it to be, while players have certain expectations for AF & Relic..

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Originally Posted by Steeled

That makes sense for AF, although it sucks but other gear that they're just...making up..It's silly. I mean the lore for Darklight can be whatever they want it to be, while players have certain expectations for AF & Relic..

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^ Truth. Tho, I still think AF should have some dyable part, even if the core colors stay the same (say on BLM AF body if you could dye the little feather thing, or if you could make the whole thing a different shade of black).

I was bitterly disappointed about this. The npc characters in the black mage questline have coloured AF, so it isn't a question of lore. I really rather liked the coloured version of the BLM AF and would have liked to be able to wear it.

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Originally Posted by Winzhi

Yoshi said that they will not allow us to dye endgame gear for lore purposes.

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The lore of my character's story is cast by me. I decide his colours. If I can't dress my character, it's not my character. I'm not playing their character.

Many final fantasy games show the same job looking different when worn by different characters. Individuality is more important here. Once given the option, I'd choose a dyed version of much lower level gear to remain visible on my character before displaying clashing "trophies" in every slot.

I'm not arguing with *you*, only with the sentiment.

yeah even dungeon loot (gren and pink ) is undyeable :( ,wearing pink trousers atm ><

All gear should have some dyeable bit. Even if it's just a small part it should be there. The only gear I would understand to be undyeable would be the GC one.

AF not being dyable makes perfect sense. Turning WHM armor black, BLM armor white, etc.. This really screws with the the iconic look of the job and honestly would cause a lot of bitching from a specific crowd of people - so let's not go down that road. Things like greens, pinks, and darklight though? I haven't the foggiest why that isn't dyable.. I'm all for everything that isn't AF being dyable really.

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Originally Posted by Omedon

The lore of my character's story is cast by me. I decide his colours. If I can't dress my character, it's not my character. I'm not playing their character.

Many final fantasy games show the same job looking different when worn by different characters. Individuality is more important here. Once given the option, I'd choose a dyed version of much lower level gear to remain visible on my character before displaying clashing "trophies" in every slot.

I'm not arguing with *you*, only with the sentiment.

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I disagree. AF is iconic. An iconic look shouldn't be changed simply because you want to look special and unique.

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Originally Posted by Krisan

AF not being dyable makes perfect sense. Turning WHM armor black, BLM armor white, etc.. This really screws with the the iconic look of the job and honestly would cause a lot of bitching from a specific crowd of people - so let's not go down that road. Things like greens, pinks, and darklight though? I haven't the foggiest why that isn't dyable.. I'm all for everything that isn't AF being dyable really.

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

I disagree. AF is iconic. An iconic look shouldn't be changed simply because you want to look special and unique.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

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Vivi wore blue, so? Nothing to say a later tier of BLM AF won't look like Vivi's. Doesn't merit being able to dye BLM AF WHITE or something else. (Not to mention IX was a bit of an oddball title in this regard, a lot of roles had a different color there, it doesn't change how they look in virtually every other entry though.) Besides I just said all other gear besides AF should be dyable, are you really complaining about your FF job gear being a traditional color scheme?

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Originally Posted by Krisan

Vivi wore blue, so? Nothing to say a later tier of BLM AF won't look like Vivi's. Doesn't merit being able to dye BLM AF WHITE or something else. (Not to mention IX was a bit of an oddball title in this regard, a lot of roles had a different color there, it doesn't change how they look in every other entry though.) Besides I just said all other gear besides AF should be dyable, are you really complaining about your FF job gear being a traditional color scheme?

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Where did I complain? I was merely tearing down a ridiculous argument that a certain color is "traditional" when there are multiple instances of it being different in the past. I also added another picture to that post for Monk just to drive that point further. I could keep adding more, like purple dragoons from 11 or how warriors used to be more of a bright red. Did I mention Bards?

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Also, it's more non-traditional for a black mage to not be blue.
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Every crafted gear is dyeable

Thankfully this game won't become a tie-dye mess like most games with Dyes.

You can dye pink gear, just not the green and blue gear

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Originally Posted by Winzhi

Yoshi said that they will not allow us to dye endgame gear for lore purposes.

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Such bullcrap reasoning there.

Armor customization is already pretty horrid, what with a lot of armors using the same base model with just some minor tweaks.

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Originally Posted by Omedon

The lore of my character's story is cast by me. I decide his colours. If I can't dress my character, it's not my character. I'm not playing their character.

Many final fantasy games show the same job looking different when worn by different characters. Individuality is more important here. Once given the option, I'd choose a dyed version of much lower level gear to remain visible on my character before displaying clashing "trophies" in every slot.

I'm not arguing with *you*, only with the sentiment.

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I agree wholeheartedly. We are not playing a single-player RPG. This is an MMO, and our characters are our characters.

I want to dye my white mage robe black.

Gear with a story reason for being a certain way, like uniforms or class story armor or something along those lines, I'm ok with not being able to dye. Tradeskill and random armor that just exists to be within a level range should be dyeable. Especially if it can be worn by multiple classes

They want everybody to look the same, build the same stats, and use the same everything.

I'm so happy you can't dye AF and endgame sets. They look perfect as they are, and we don't need people ruining them with ugly dye combinations. It's just an eyesore.

I want a brighter trim on my dragoon AF gear :(

If we're going to go with lore being the reason, then isn't that even more of a reason to allow us to dye our endgame gear? Our characters play the role of the main characters of FFXIV, so why can't we have our own look like previous FF main characters?

It's just the way they want it. There's no need to be so demanding of every little thing, just for the sake of wanting more. AF/endgame gear have specific lore or significance behind them, your generic crafted stuff do not. It makes sense. It doesn't have to make perfect sense, but why should it? Player customization is a luxury, not a necessity. You play the game that they want to create, by the vision that they have for it at the time, not something that you think is free-reign. Their vision is more lore centric than player freedom. They might change their mind about it in the future, but for the time being, not gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by Azurein

If we're going to go with lore being the reason, then isn't that even more of a reason to allow us to dye our endgame gear? Our characters play the role of the main characters of FFXIV, so why can't we have our own look like previous FF main characters?

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Lore is actually something that exists without a players existence, something that is established as a result of official writers with canon elements. Your personal existence in the game is not tied to any creation of lore, you only experience it.

I agree that everything should be convertible. But dyeing....meh.

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Originally Posted by charlemagne

I was bitterly disappointed about this. The npc characters in the black mage questline have coloured AF, so it isn't a question of lore. I really rather liked the coloured version of the BLM AF and would have liked to be able to wear it.

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The NPC chars have different versions of AF (+1, +2, etc)

That's why the colors are different.

We will likely get those as well at some point.

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Originally Posted by Mhyrria

They want everybody to look the same, build the same stats, and use the same everything.

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And because of this they bring the vanity system later.

You are right

I just turn the stuff that can't be converted into my GC cause it beats what the vendor will give me and I sure as hell am not going to destroy it for inventory space.

Mages darklight looks like some hot topic obsessed goth kid's closet, I really wish I could dye it. The rest meh I don't care. AF, AF+1, I don't think they should be dyed, but if they want to come out with a version later on, like the red and blue we see the blm quest, than they should!. Darklight is the only thing that bothers me, I don't want to look like some gothic vamper ><

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Originally Posted by TohruHonda

I'm so happy you can't dye AF and endgame sets. They look perfect as they are, and we don't need people ruining them with ugly dye combinations. It's just an eyesore.

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That can be said about any armor set, though. And in avoiding "ugly" dye combinations, we also miss out on some really cool ones.

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

AF, AF+1, I don't think they should be dyed

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Honestly, if vanity slots are going to be in the game, the rigidity of "canon colors" for AF really doesn't have a place. It'll just result in fewer people showing their AF/AF+1 because it doesnt fit with their character.

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Originally Posted by seikenflash

You can dye pink gear, just not the green and blue gear

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Some greens are able to be dyed as well.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

It's just the way they want it... Player customization is a luxury, not a necessity.

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Nope. In an MMO, player customization is vital. Oh, and a lot of the undyeable gear comes from dungeons and are sets with no "story" behind them.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

We will likely get those as well at some point.

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Great. More recycled assets. >_< This is why they need to be dyeable.

Can't wait for the vanity slots. I hope I can combine bikini look with decent stat armors.

So all I will say as a BRD is I dont ever want to get my ilv90 AF chest, dont want to be running around in pink all day long.. AF ilv55 cheat was nice, but the one I need to get in time is just ugly, let me dye the stuff to be some other color, or give us a 2nd job for archer that isnt going to have to dress in pink..

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

yeah even dungeon loot (gren and pink ) is undyeable :( ,wearing pink trousers atm ><

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Pink, "aetherial" gear is not undyable. You can, in fact, change your pink trousers. Try it. You have to have the dye ON you in order to then dye it, and this might becausing an issue. But every pink item I've gotten from a dunegon with absurd colors on it that I've equipped I've been able to dye.

Besides, what's wrong with pink? Seems like you got a pink kink in your think.