Ifrit tanking

So, i find ifrit being the most ridiculous fight in the game. As a paladin, it's EXTREMELY boring, annoying and a unfun. Half of the time i get the stun duty, which i hate since i do NOTHING but wait for eruption to stun.
WHich is ALSO an idiotic mechanic, since stun works fine two times, then the chances for it to be resisted gets INCREDIBLY higher. And obviously, if it gets resisted i get the fault, so much fo a nice mechanic.
This is just an annoyance i personally have, just whatever went here after getting called bad from a bard that pulled hate from the warrior the fucks that i give are relatively few, but yeah.

Make ifrit immune to stun c: i would like seeying these incredibly annoying dps running their ass around in the last eruptions.

It's kind of horrible as a warrior, too, because people tend to just leave if you get two warriors. Even when they're willing to try, it's a hundred times harder and you probably wipe three times. I don't know how it is for Americans, but everyone has ~150 latency over here in Europe because the servers are in freaking Montreal and it's really fucking difficult to stun him as a warrior because you have such a tiny window of time to do it and you can't interrupt your own animations. The reason it's so good to have a paladin is that they can do it by themselves so the tank doesn't have to devote half his attention to interrupting a skill that must be interrupted, with a half second window to react in, and you can't do it if he happens to begin casting while you're in animation for another attack. I'm so glad I got my axe after ten runs and won't have to do that shit for days on end.

After doing it 50 billion times.. people want it to go smooth and as fast as possible so they're going to prefer certain jobs over others. Most people hate having no BLM/ SMN during that fight, but it's doable without them people just don't want that.

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Originally Posted by Pwnagraphic

After doing it 50 billion times.. people want it to go smooth and as fast as possible so they're going to prefer certain jobs over others. Most people hate having no BLM/ SMN during that fight, but it's doable without them people just don't want that.

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Try hard boots should not be optional but I can't fault them I suppose. But even as jaded as I am I am not going to bail until my gear is wrecked or the group as a whole decided to give up.

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Originally Posted by Pwnagraphic

After doing it 50 billion times.. people want it to go smooth and as fast as possible so they're going to prefer certain jobs over others. Most people hate having no BLM/ SMN during that fight, but it's doable without them people just don't want that.

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Welp, not everybody did it 50 billion times. People should grow a pair of balls and deal with it c:

Alternatively as i said, make him immune to stuns and enjoy the dps carnage.

Have done this fight several times last night clearing it successfully many different ways. A solution that most do not know about I posted below. WORKING strategy with my team.

When having lack of any caster dps (BLM/SMN):
- Offtank switch to dps nails, MT just do interrupts solo and interrupts ONLY (should be fine, because tank should be so high on the threat list that no one can pull off)
- Assign LB solo for one melee dps to a nail while other DPS focus on another nail
- After first and second nail is dead, use LB to kill third nail
- Finish off last nail with everyone's help.

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Originally Posted by Gray_Spy

Have done this fight several times last night clearing it successfully many different ways. A solution that most do not know about I posted below. WORKING strategy with my team.

When having lack of any caster dps (BLM/SMN):
- Offtank switch to dps nails, MT just do interrupts solo and interrupts ONLY (should be fine, because tank should be so high on the threat list that no one can pull off)
- Assign LB solo for one melee dps to a nail while other DPS focus on another nail
- After first and second nail is dead, use LB to kill third nail
- Finish off last nail with everyone's help.

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That's fine and dandy. My deal is that doing ifrit it's boring as hell for the paladin, and stun duty it's just unreliable.

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Originally Posted by Devilair

That's fine and dandy. My deal is that doing ifrit it's boring as hell for the paladin, and stun duty it's just unreliable.

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Every 3rd or 4th attack we coordinate with our interrupts so in case there's a failure we can recover an interrupt. There's a lot going on in that fight and you can be doing something else, like healing with mouseover cure macro.

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Originally Posted by Devilair

...i get the stun duty, which i hate since i do NOTHING but wait for eruption to stun.

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Coming from another PLD (and I don't disagree with you that stunning is boring...) but if you're doing NOTHING but waiting, you could be doing a lot more. Pretty much the entire Ifrit fight is scripted...

He'll never use eruption before the 2nd Vulcan Burst (and 5-6 Incinerates) at the start. I combo at a slower pace to the main tank during that time as to not take hate. He'll then do incinerate one more time before he jumps for the charge move.

When he lands after first charge, Eruption pretty much right after he lands, then Incinerate, then Eruption again, then Incinerate again before second charge.

Then Eruption, Incinerate, Vulcan Burst, Eruption, Incinerate, Charge.

Get the picture? You can be comboing and boosting DPS between all of the phases... and if you've stunned as much as I have since the damn sword wont show up you'll start to be able to script the fight in your head. The cycle endlessly repeats after Hellfire too so you can figure out when you can DPS during the pattern and help to speed the killing up.

Believe me I don't disagree with how boring and repetitive it is... and the more tired I get, I'm prone to make dumbass mistakes like running into the charge, pressing the wrong button right before I need to stun, etc. but you can try to make it at least a bit more interesting by figuring out when it's safe to combo.

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Originally Posted by AmaiHanakaze

Coming from another PLD (and I don't disagree with you that stunning is boring...) but if you're doing NOTHING but waiting, you could be doing a lot more. Pretty much the entire Ifrit fight is scripted...

He'll never use eruption before the 2nd Vulcan Burst (and 5-6 Incinerates) at the start. I combo at a slower pace to the main tank during that time as to not take hate. He'll then do incinerate one more time before he jumps for the charge move.

When he lands after first charge, Eruption pretty much right after he lands, then Incinerate, then Eruption again, then Incinerate again before second charge.

Then Eruption, Incinerate, Vulcan Burst, Eruption, Incinerate, Charge.

Get the picture? You can be comboing and boosting DPS between all of the phases... and if you've stunned as much as I have since the damn sword wont show up you'll start to be able to script the fight in your head. The cycle endlessly repeats after Hellfire too so you can figure out when you can DPS during the pattern and help to speed the killing up.

Believe me I don't disagree with how boring and repetitive it is... and the more tired I get, I'm prone to make dumbass mistakes like running into the charge, pressing the wrong button right before I need to stun, etc. but you can try to make it at least a bit more interesting by figuring out when it's safe to combo.

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I know what you mean, but i don't have THAT much experience to know all the perfect rotation of ifrit and such, it's just...making rotation distracts me, and Eruptions are on an extremely short and punishing cast time. I do my damage and rotation, keep up circle of scorn and the dot from marauder on him all the time, especially right after an eruption since there's like 10 sec between one and the other, it helps and all but again, more the fights go on the easier it is for a shield bash to be resisted or to mistime it even by some fraction of second (happened to me that i stunned halfway through, my friends noticed that too, yet the spell went off anyways) it's gonna be deadly as hell cuz it's a stupid mechanic.

I'm so glad I got Ifrit's Blade on my first try. The other pally had it too so there wasn't any competition at all.

Even if you interupt perfectly, one eruption around 66% will go through, because at the beginning of the fight, the only spell ifrit casts is Eruption, so he eventually fully resists it. Once he starts casting plumes, you should be able to interrupt every eruption. If you can't get every one, then either one of your dps is using a stun (mnks and drgs have one they can use in rotation that is a dps increase), or you are just lagging/bad, because as of yet, you can't miss stuns.

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Originally Posted by MBTL90

Even if you interupt perfectly, one eruption around 66% will go through, because at the beginning of the fight, the only spell ifrit casts is Eruption, so he eventually fully resists it. Once he starts casting plumes, you should be able to interrupt every eruption. If you can't get every one, then either one of your dps is using a stun (mnks and drgs have one they can use in rotation that is a dps increase), or you are just lagging/bad, because as of yet, you can't miss stuns.

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You're bad, where EVERYTHING it's server based and all you need to do is pressing one button while watching a castbar => no, just no.
As i said, happens every now and again that i stun midcast, the eruption still explodes and he gets stunned. And i'm not the only one noticing it.

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Originally Posted by Devilair

You're bad, where EVERYTHING it's server based and all you need to do is pressing one button while watching a castbar => no, just no.
As i said, happens every now and again that i stun midcast, the eruption still explodes and he gets stunned. And i'm not the only one noticing it.

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Uhh, you call me bad, then complain when you can't interupt? I've dune ifrit 40+times, been a stun bot for quite a few of those runs. If I missed an interupt it was because I wasn't paying attention for a sec, not because of some lag. You have to interupt early, you can't notice it last second and pray to the stun gods you got it off in time. In short, learn to play.

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Originally Posted by MBTL90

Even if you interupt perfectly, one eruption around 66% will go through, because at the beginning of the fight, the only spell ifrit casts is Eruption, so he eventually fully resists it. Once he starts casting plumes, you should be able to interrupt every eruption. If you can't get every one, then either one of your dps is using a stun (mnks and drgs have one they can use in rotation that is a dps increase), or you are just lagging/bad, because as of yet, you can't miss stuns.

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This is kill speed dependent. Most runs when I'm contributing to damage by comboing I'm able to stun 100% of the eruptions (dependent on how awake / derpy I am) and last night I hit three in a row with zero eruptions getting through. On some of the slower runs, before Ifrit goes into plume phase, there's an eruption that gets resisted even with perfect timing.

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Originally Posted by MBTL90

Uhh, you call me bad, then complain when you can't interupt? I've dune ifrit 40+times, been a stun bot for quite a few of those runs. If I missed an interupt it was because I wasn't paying attention for a sec, not because of some lag. You have to interupt early, you can't notice it last second and pray to the stun gods you got it off in time. In short, learn to play.

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I didn't call you bad, you misreaded it. it was more like "calling someone bad when everything is served base..."blablabla, no offense to you. Chill. And i can swear to you, like 90% of my sodding interrupts works, that last bit it's what's fucking me over tough, be it server delay and why not i might even notice it later, i'm not a stunbot i'm a human being lol.

I mean even my teammates sees them going off :\

Try stunning him as a WAR based in Europe >.> At least you have a role. 2 PLDs work. 1 PLD 1 WAR work but 2 WARs and everyone leaves.

Rather be on stun duty than getting left out.

Although I did enjoy getting to tank him with no "Better get the PLD to tank" =D

Yeah, honestly I think the problem is that PLD gets a zero cooldown stun.

The fight seems ripe for an interrupt rotation, i.e. WAR stuns first, DRG stuns second, MNK stuns third, etc. But PLD just blows that necessity out of the water with their global cooldown stun.

I feel your pain, it's really crappy to be on pure interrupt duty. Also if he's resisting on the 3rd stun it might be that your party members are using a skill that stuns them, as that will put it on DR more quickly.

IMO SE should fix this by fundamentally altering some skills.

Brutal Swing should have 20 sec CD baseline, and 3 second Stun baseline. Enhanced Brutal Swing should increase the duration to 4 seconds, and it should be cross-classable.

Shield Bash should be changed to a reactive skill (like Haymaker) that is available after you block and does say 140 potentcy attack with a high amount of threat for 40 TP.

What this would do:

It would make WAR more able to be on solo stun duty by reducing the CD, making it less likely to see it as "need at least 1 PAL for any fight with interrupts".
It would give DRG a niche by having 2 stuns off of the GCD in order to be on 100% solo stun duty, which should make slotting them in a raid a little more justifiable.
It would take pressure off of PLD to play a boring "stun duty" role with a stun that is on the GCD.
It would give PLD a much more active rotation and slightly more damage output.

the thing is, the entire fight it's entirely doable without a paladin on constant stun duty. You can just interrupt the eruption after the nail for comodity. Wtf am i saying, we shouldn't have a fight based on stunning something at ALL. But whatever, i'd say that pld should get their stupid gdc stun from their toolset.

Just be thankful your stun doesn't have a 1.5s animation time. Our stun's main advantage of being off the GCD is worthless because you're still locked from using it until the current attack's animation ends.

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Originally Posted by Ruminate

Just be thankful your stun doesn't have a 1.5s animation time. Our stun's main advantage of being off the GCD is worthless because you're still locked from using it until the current attack's animation ends.

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That happens with our silence xD

I have to 100% agree with the OP on this. After doing this twice as PLD, once for my relic quest and once for an FC-mate, I've decide I will only be doing this battle as WAR going forward until they change this mechanic. I actually enjoyed this fight in 1.0 but as OP says, it's become one of the most retarded boss fights in 2.0 I've seen. Counting actions and watching cast bar is not something anyone should have to do for "fun" lol. I would rather have the risk of people leaving because 2 WARs show up rather than do this as a PLD again.

Just for input from other tanks. I am curious as to wtf I am supposed to do when and if you have to single tank. I know there is a pattern and I know how to interrupt just fine. The other day I had a MRD in the group that was in level 40 gear and wasn't able to tank. I didn't mind stepping up to tank but I don't see how I'm expected to keep top threat and interrupt with the stun on the GCD. I mean, i did it just fine but it's just slightly annoying.

Just to note, I have successfully done this already. I've run a ton of ifrit runs for my guild and for personal weapon farming. I'm just more or less trying to understand if other people do it this way or not. Also if that might be expected of me in the future. This is a whole new sort of MMO challenge for tanking with this GCD compared to all the other MMO's i've tanked in. it's very odd to get used to.

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Well I did it a few more times just now. Although doable... what a pain in the ass -.-;

I just wish they removed the stupid stun on gdc and let the fight play as it's supposed to be, a stun rotation between dps if they really wanna avoid eruptions x)

well to behonest the move could just ignore stun all together since eruption can be dodged with out having to stun the cast as the target is selected upon start of the cast we just don't get a visual que be its easy to tell who is going to get bombed. It really is just a gift via the design you know like phoniex downs dropping zombie type mobs in one success in previous final fantasy titles. It can be done in other ways but the majority likes to follow the color by numbers approach as did nael van darnus in 1.0 but the fight is overall much more forgiving now then it has ever been in its previous incarnation which makes me wonder about the stun "requirement" or gtfo