How to meld materia, filling in questions

Obviously, my question is about melding materia.

The quest for both breaking items into materia and melding materia have been completed and I have the skills. The melding materia quests specifically requires you to be lvl 19 in any DoH craft (except culinary and maybe one other). I leveled Alchemy to 19, completed the quest, and tried to meld my first piece.

I have the materia, the sockets, and the Carbonized Matter of the correct grade. However, in the materia melding box it still has a "Armorer craft required to meld materia" message. There was no mention of this in the actual quest, and regardless I went and started Armorer lvl 1 in case it was only requiring an Armorer's tool. This did not work.

End question: Does melding require a specific level of a specific class? (ie. lvl 19 Armorer). It seems ridiculous the quest would not have specified this, and that the melding box doesn't specify a level requirement, only a job.

Well - having the Armorer's toll itself (on lvl 1) will indeed not help - you'd need to level it up to 19 if that's the requirment.

* One of the good leveling options is to perform the GC supply missions.

Sidenote: Despite how congested the servers supposedly are, my server (Durandal Legacy) is all but silent. If I ask a question I'm lucky if I've received an answer, any response even, for at least 10 minutes. Has everyone in this game taken a vow of silence or did they forget about the chat function in every MMO ever made? >.> Is every server like this? I'm debating a transfer. If absolutely no one in this game helps others it's not worth a monthly fee to play with people who may as well be NPCs :/ Even in instances, people don't respond to being asked if it's there first time so some important information can be given. I can't tell you how many wipes I've seen on Ifrit because absolutely no one reads what I say about focusing the Nail. It's amazingly annoying at best, a game worth not playing at worst.

It could be more down to fact that much less players on Legacy servers has the General chat opened as default rather than unwilingness to help in general.

Yes, melding requires the appropriate class and level. I assume the meld level requirement is the same as the equip requirement, but I'd have to check in-game to say for sure.

The quest requires you to be any DoH because it only unlocks the melding skill, which can then be used by any crafting class.

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Originally Posted by HEC

Well - having the Armorer's toll itself (on lvl 1) will indeed not help - you'd need to level it up to 19 if that's the requirment.

* One of the good leveling options is to perform the GC supply missions.

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Yes I figured if armorer was required it would require a 19 armorer. However, I'd think the quest would state this if it were a requirement. Instead it specifically states *any* DoH craft. I only grabbed lvl 1 in armorer to see if the specific job was required, to rule out that possibility. However, if you DO need a lvl 19 armorer this quest needs to be fixed, or better yet explained in the actual quest so you don't spend tens of thousands leveling a craft you thought would allow you to meld but now apparently doesn't. Thanks to that I don't have the money to level armorer to 19 anywhere in the near future, and have thus been screwed by a quest description, not my own ineptitude.

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Originally Posted by Efrye

Yes, melding requires the appropriate class and level. I assume the meld level requirement is the same as the equip requirement, but I'd have to check in-game to say for sure.

The quest requires you to be any DoH because it only unlocks the melding skill, which can then be used by any crafting class.

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The last part is exactly what I was asking, thank you. As long as you're sure any DoH can meld, my question has been answered. One of my pieces is 20 so I will take Alchemy from 19 to 20 this afternoon and see if it lets me meld that piece. Since this is noob help I will post the answer this afternoon in case anyone else is looking for it (especially considering /shout refuses to answer anyone's questions so they'll have to look here as I did).

Can't you try to meld (another) materia to another item? Each item (+ materia combination) requires different DoH so it might be "easier" / faster to jsut obtain the relevant set of items to be able to meld with your Alchemy class.

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Originally Posted by HEC

It could be more down to fact that much less players on Legacy servers has the General chat opened as default rather than unwilingness to helo in general.

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Isn't that ridiculously foolish though? Even games in which I'm far into endgame with, I keep the General (or Global) chat open to help new players. Hell, even here in ARR I help my low-leveled friends with any quest or shop I've found that they may not be aware of. It seems like a terrible community if they've left general chat off even right after a relaunch when their help is needed most. Very disappointing of a community, I expect much more from FF players :/ That honestly saddens me, but it at least makes it an easier decision to server transfer.

Well - I have only 1 character on Legacy server and so far haven't spent much time there but in all other servers the general chat tends to scroll at lightning speeds sometimes so I might understand the urge not to be there all the time although I DO keep it as default chat majority of the times anyway for both being able to help / advice other players as well as dig some usefull info from it as well (as long as I'll manage to hold of the swarms of spammers and gill sellers - which is something much unlikely to appear on legacy servers).

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Originally Posted by HEC

Can't you try to meld (another) materia to another item? Each item (+ materia combination) requires different DoH so it might be "easier" / faster to jsut obtain the relevant set of items to be able to meld with your Alchemy class.

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Each combination that I've tried has said Armorer is required, though I will continue to try more. If this is true though it's a moronic system. If the person saying the craft level must be the same level as the gear you are melding into and you saying each combo requires a different DoH class and are both correct that would require someone wanting to meld to level 30 gear to also up all his crafts to 30 which isn't a quick or cheap process. I'll have to test it of course, but this is a terribly inefficient materia system if it is as you two say :(

Anyway, Ill update the OP when I find the definitive answer now that I know of a few routes to go about trying.

This might help you a bit: http://www.ffxivinfo.com/materia/attribute.php

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Originally Posted by KhyaraBloodvayne

Isn't that ridiculously foolish though?

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With the amount of RMT spam that's cluttering up /shout, and the size and chattiness of my FC, I can't imagine not keeping /shout and /yell on a separate tab. I'd go absolutely insane.

But another thing to keep in mind on this is that /shout only reaches the zone you're in. People don't seem to congregate in the cities as much as they do in other games. They're out wherever their current level range of FATEs are, or running dungeons, or whatever. I pretty much only go back to a city when I'm logging off, so I can get to in inn.

Gold spammers get to us on the legacy server too, but they talk in whisper rather than general. I can understand not wanting general chat to scroll your window if you're trying to talk to your party or FC but that's why we have chat tabs for different settings. Keeping it off when you're doing something that requires no real effort (say, batch crafting or waiting on a queue) it seems the right thing to pop in there and answer if you spot a question you know the answer to. Either way, I just thought it was rather disappointing considering how lonely and single-player-esque it makes this game feel. I expected a more helpful community in a Final Fantasy where people are generally older, more mature, more knowledgeable, and more willing to help. I've seen 13 year old kids in Tera being a thousand times more helpful than this entire in-game community which is just a terrible thing to be able to truthfully say :(

To give her he much needed answer:
Each particular piece of equipment has both a class and a level tied to it for materia melding, it's in the equipment's information box!
For example, you levelled Alchemist to 19, so only equipment which is made by Alchemist (books and conjurer wands) with a melding requirement of at a maximum of L19 (Ash Wand and Engraved Leather Grimoire) can be melded by you.

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Originally Posted by HEC

This might help you a bit: http://www.ffxivinfo.com/materia/attribute.php

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Thanks, it doesn't mention any specific crafting skill or level of that skill sadly. My materia, carbonized matter, and item level already meet the requirements. It looks like some more experimentation is due as either my game is bugged beyond use or the system is still poorly understood and no one is bothering to explain it entirely :/

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Originally Posted by Skies

To give her he much needed answer:
Each particular piece of equipment has both a class and a level tied to it for materia melding, it's in the equipment's information box!
For example, you levelled Alchemist to 19, so only equipment which is made by Alchemist (books and conjurer wands) with a melding requirement of at a maximum of L19 (Ash Wand and Engraved Leather Grimoire) can be melded by you.

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Thank you so much for finally providing a legit, comprehensive answer. This is exactly what I was looking for, and I apologize that I had not seen it in the item info box. As a lancer this apparently means I must level Leatherworking and Carpentry to meld. I very much appreciate the answer.

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Originally Posted by KhyaraBloodvayne

The last part is exactly what I was asking, thank you. As long as you're sure any DoH can meld, my question has been answered. One of my pieces is 20 so I will take Alchemy from 19 to 20 this afternoon and see if it lets me meld that piece. Since this is noob help I will post the answer this afternoon in case anyone else is looking for it (especially considering /shout refuses to answer anyone's questions so they'll have to look here as I did).

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Sorry, I guess my post was a bit unclear there. I didn't mean to say that you can meld any item with any class. You still need to be an armorer to meld items that are made (and repaired) by armorers. However, you don't need to do the quest again as an armorer to gain access to the meld skill with that class. Once your armorer has the appropriate level, you can meld right away.

I think you'll get the hang of it after melding a few items. At least to me the system makes perfect sense as it is. (Aside from the fact that low- and midlevel materia seems completely pointless.)

You have to have a DoH class levelled to 19 to take the melding quest. Once the quest is completed, you have the generic ability to meld materia. However, to meld a piece of materia to a *specific* piece of gear, you will *also* need to meet the class/level requirements for melding materia to that gear, which requirement is stated right on the gear's description. This will be the same class that is required to make the gear in the first place, and the required level will rise with the gear's level.

Lets continue with questions.

I just found that, even though I have the correct DoH class, sufficient level and proper items, melding wouldnt add any status increase. You can meld the item, but it will show as "red", with information such as Mind + 0.
It's tool tip tells you that the chosen item level is too low to maximize Materia full potential.

That's the issue I'm running. I have a empty 8 slots, could add ONE materia with +spell casting (and none for mind). The second one would simply go red and tell me it won't add any extra benefit.

From some info I gathered, it seems your item has some limit of what status it can get, so if it's base int in the said gear is already in a certain threshold, you can't surpass it with more materia.
If someone can confirm this, could you also tell me HOW I found out what's this so called stats cap on items?
Thank you.

That is true, the stat caps on the items are related to the slots they are and what it's item level is, so every body slots with the same item level will have the same stat caps.
The stat caps take into account the item's innate stats already.

Currently the only way to figure out what the stat caps are on items is experimentation, thankfully the game warns you before you try what the cap is.

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Originally Posted by KhyaraBloodvayne

Thank you so much for finally providing a legit, comprehensive answer. This is exactly what I was looking for, and I apologize that I had not seen it in the item info box. As a lancer this apparently means I must level Leatherworking and Carpentry to meld. I very much appreciate the answer.

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I might not have been clear enough in my previous reply in post #8 but it twas the same (only less detailed) ...