Add a "First Time Player Accepted" Option to the Duty Finder

Just an idea. Add a "First Time Player Accepted" checkbox in the duty finder so that people doing IDs for the first time and do not wish to skip cutscenes or do speedruns can be grouped with others like them (or any other players who have this box checked, indicating they accept playing with someone who may be experiencing the ID for the first time and may want to run the dungeon normally and watch the cutscenes). Of course, this will have the added incentive of bonus exp or rewards if the matched group actually contains first timers.

It's basically an opt-in/opt-out solution to the speedrun issue that people are having for AK and other end-game dungeons. Yes, it segregates the community (well, within DF anyway), but the fact is that both speedrunners and first-timers have valid points and the current situation basically requires one side to give in to the other, and we all know that will never happen. I'd personally prefer a longer queue knowing I won't be forced to play a certain way or get into an argument with strangers.

What do people think about this?

The irony is the idea that speedrunners would accept a longer queue to avoid waiting for cutscenes... ._.

I think this is a good idea, but believe the option should be "speed run" since the default and intended way of running the dungeon is to kill trash and/or watch cut scenes.

I think that's a great idea!
As well, it can help people realize that if someone is new they may not have a full understanding of the mechanics and there is a reason the Tank is moving slowly ahead looking around every corner

Last night was my first group, first dungeon. I mentioned right away that this is my first time and I was the tank, wanted to be honest. No one replied (PS3 players?)

We got through the dungeon just fine everyone doing there thing properly and I said "great job everyone". Still no reply lol .. it was weird

no, just no. I prefer speed runs myself but am intelligent enough to realize how badly this would be abused.

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Originally Posted by minihalcyon

The irony is the idea that speedrunners would accept a longer queue to avoid waiting for cutscenes... ._.

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It just goes to show it's an entitlement thing.

While it seems like your heart is in the right place imo, I don't think you should put a bonus on it. The moment you do, the speedrunners will go checking the box anyway just to get the bonus (and will talk about the 'penalty' of not checking the box if questioned). Seen it happen too many times before.

I think most of us who are fine with the first-timers are the kinds of people who don't need a bonus to select it in the first place. But the idea itself, yah, I like that. =)

I already wait 45 minutes for a Keep run, the last thing I need is options to make it longer.

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Originally Posted by minihalcyon

The irony is the idea that speedrunners would accept a longer queue to avoid waiting for cutscenes... ._.

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Yeah, they wouldn't use that system in the end anyway, and would keep trying to force their "skip it all" mentality on everyone else. They're self-centered and selfish, so I don't expect any other outcome besides that one.

Note: I'm talking about the ones that act like jerks, not the patient ones that understand how the duty finder works and respect the rest of the playerbase.

This is basically the same problem as not making an option to form duty finder groups within your own server - the queue times will easily take twice as long.

And this is where the social aspect of the game comes to shine. If you make a static group to farm AK then you don't need all this crap. Don't expect SE to do everything for you. You want gil? level crafting and do crafting leves, you want fast groups? make friends with a couple of tanks and healers and good dps and just go nuts.

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Originally Posted by Gamebouncer

I think that's a great idea!
As well, it can help people realize that if someone is new they may not have a full understanding of the mechanics and there is a reason the Tank is moving slowly ahead looking around every corner

Last night was my first group, first dungeon. I mentioned right away that this is my first time and I was the tank, wanted to be honest. No one replied (PS3 players?)

We got through the dungeon just fine everyone doing there thing properly and I said "great job everyone". Still no reply lol .. it was weird

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People on PS3 can type too, most of us have keyboards that work just as well as they would on PC! Amazing I know... But in all seriousness people are usually either silent in dungeons to the point of it being incredibly awkward especially being the tank, or incredibly loud and obnoxious - usually insulting and rude.

It's kinda annoying when you ask an important question, even something like "anyone new to this?" to have no reply and then see people completely fail the boss mechanics because naturally you assume they know by not replying. Then when someone rage quits because they didn't get it right the first time. Just can't win most of the time with this community, just have to be thankful for the good groups you get.

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Originally Posted by ashikenshin

And this is where the social aspect of the game comes to shine. If you make a static group to farm AK then you don't need all this crap. Don't expect SE to do everything for you. You want gil? level crafting and do crafting leves, you want fast groups? make friends with a couple of tanks and healers and good dps and just go nuts.

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Seriously...stop making sense!

The option should be neither. SE should design their dungeons better.

Copying WoW's model for gear repairs? Fine. WoW trash dropped enough money to keep you afloat, unless your failure rate was just *that bad*. Trash also dropped crafting materials. The gold equivalent to what one person gets in this game from most treasure chests was what each person got from killing a mob in wow.

Imo they should just remove the possibility to cancel the cutscenes, that wold end all the bs.

why not just an option in duty that has "cutscenes disabled"

This would achieve the polar opposite of what you are intending. No.

if there were such an option, I would always pick to play with newbies just so that I don't have to play with the inhuman whiners who rush through the content without so much as a "hello" or "how you doing?"

I miss the group downtime and chatting from earlier MMOs

If this is in regard to the last few story missions; no, thats dumb. The whole reason the incentive is there for you to redo them is so that first time players who are trying to get through the story will always have players there to help them finish it. If it was only first time players queuing together for those, theyd be waiting forever.

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Originally Posted by Steeled

The option should be neither. SE should design their dungeons better.

Copying WoW's model for gear repairs? Fine. WoW trash dropped enough money to keep you afloat, unless your failure rate was just *that bad*. Trash also dropped crafting materials. The gold equivalent to what one person gets in this game from most treasure chests was what each person got from killing a mob in wow.

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Don't forget rare zone drops in the form of weapons and gear.

Wut? You serious?

So basically, you think you are better than everyone and you shouldn't waste your time possibly helping others?

I got news for you!

You should probably stop playing online games of this nature, it is all about the experience of interacting with people that are not just mindless robots on the other side.

Some of the most fun I've ever had in video games comes from shenanigans of new players not knowing wtf is going on.



...Sigh, where did the awesome gaming community go I remember from way back when....?

I personally think the best solution is less reliance on the duty finder. Form a community, make a linkshell, make friends, make a FC, find like-minded players and play with them, don't rely on random match making to find you your perfect match. This isn't match.com or some love matching site, it's a video game, make some friends and have fun with people you like.

The huge reliance on the duty finder and needing it to meet your perfect needs at all times is insane, I really dislike this new generation of gamers that have spawned the over the last decade that rely so much on a tool to find people to play with and not their actual social skills.

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Originally Posted by Seraphi

It just goes to show it's an entitlement thing.

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If my party mates are willing to send me gil for repairs, sure, I'll do a full run to farm tomes.