Fates on Ps3

I know this has already been talked about, but i feel very strongly that we need to press the issue.

Fates are impossible to do on a ps3, right now im in the south shroud, running from fate to fate, and most of the time, npc's don't load, or if they do, its too late (they are dead or 1 hit away). As far as i understand, this is happening to ALL ps3's. You have to fix this NOW, not in 3months.

you cant expect people to wait until you get around to patching this in a few months, if you dont sort this out within the next few weeks, people will leave the game and never look back. How do you expect people to subscribe to a game they can barely even play, your answer to this?

"get the ps4 version"

So i have to pay for a ps4 to play this game?
Also, im pretty sure there are laws against this sort of thing, false advertisement perhaps? sales of goods act? i don't know, im not versed in law, but i do know that if you don't sort it out FAST, people wont be subscribing and im sure someone out there will file a lawsuit for some sort of breach of contract, as this is a service you are providing, rather than a product, so certain standards have to be maintained (including adequate customer service)

By no means is this a threat from me, im just so frustrated at the lack of foresight into this, you knew fine well the hardware specs of the ps3, yet you either released a faulty or unfinished product and advertised it as working and complete (illegal), or you just don't give a **** which if that is the case, your company will go under after this, guaranteed.

And for godsake's please reply and tell us whats going on with this issue, dont just fob us off with " we are looking into it", we are paying customers, we are also people, living breathing people, treat us thusly

I'm on PS3. Works fine for me. Famfrit server.

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Originally Posted by CrysisRook

I'm on PS3. Works fine for me. Famfrit server.

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wait till you get to a higher level

This issue does not only affect PS3 though. I have the same issue on my PC. For ex. Odin spawned last night and I arrived on the scene all exciting, but did the NPC load, no......fates spawn all the time, Odin, not so much.

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Originally Posted by Will01

This issue does not only affect PS3 though. I have the same issue on my PC. For ex. Odin spawned last night and I arrived on the scene all exciting, but did the NPC load, no......fates spawn all the time, Odin, not so much.

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All the more reason they need to sort it out, at least on the PC you can adjust graphics options and the like. We need more control over the game, change graphics, opacity of hud icons etc....

Why dont they have this? its not new

I am om ps3 and Fates work fine.

F.A.T.E are fine on the ps3
BUT
if there in a VERY VERY big group of players at a Boss type F.A.T.E
the boss will be invincible and you can not target it
you do see a "cloud type thing" where the Boss should be

Also, teh PS4 version is free if you bought the PS3 version

So far in my experience the ps3 version runs very poorly, I seem to be always waiting for the console to catch up with what's going on. In fates I have to just stand there and wait for the players/mobs to appear, usually a good 10 to 20 seconds. This also happens in towns and the worst places are the places where the grand company levequests are...totally unplayable for me.

massive mmos arent meant for consoles, no matter how much you or a company may like to believe that. If you are gonna be a serious mmo player time to invest in a PC

Fates at lvl 40+ are a no go for me on PS3. Fate is over before I see any target.

I've not really noticed if it makes a huge difference, but in the PS3 settings (Character Configuration > Character) you can alter the Battle Effect Settings for yourself/party/others between show all/show limited/show none.

If only they would increase the EXP gained from Guildhests, Trials, and Dungeons, people would have an alternative to leveling, instead of just grinding Fates, which is currently the most efficient way to level.

The rate at which Leve Allowances are given should also be increased while keeping it at a lower maximum count to like 15 or 20. This would prevent people from saving up allowances and actually make use of them.

I think this will help relieve the extreme congestion in Fate Areas and at the same time give people different choices for leveling. Fate grinding gets tiring and repetitive.

This has nothing to do with graphics, it is the same culling mess that GW2 had.

It's not the PS3 it's a combination of two things. First is graphics culling aka draw order aka draw the monster first so we can see it, we don't care about the other players as long as each of us can see the thing we are hitting. second is server overload/lag. There are too freaking many players in the FATE for the server to handle. FATE happen in open areas within an zone which is itself a large single instance containing many, many players. If the zone is heavily loaded you can experience lag at any time. now, let's say a big FATE, one of the really popular ones occurs and you have 100+ players all rushing to join it. With 100+ players (or 50 or whatever large number you choose) all hammering their controls to fight a hectic FATE, the server cannot keep up. The more players, the worse this gets, and the more heavily loaded a zone, the worse it gets. You'll have seen situations where your character will freeze in position and move around like a cardboard cut out. That's because the server is no longer sending much data back to the client and it is only updating your position based on what you are doing locally.

Does the PS3 have some restrictions because of it's own performance bottlenecks? Sure, but oddly enough the graphics engine on the PS3 enforces fairly strict culling already to maintain framerate. That should mean that the performance on the PS3 is more consistent because it already limits how many active characters/enemies you can have onscreen at once in order to maintain framerate.

Personally I think that the overload on the server side is a more significant factor in this issue. I'm certain that the PC graphics engine also has some automatic limiters within it to preserve framerate at the expense of the number of drawn players and enemies. Not to mention the fact that if you talk to PC players with high performance rigs, they are not exactly ecstatic with these FATE either.

Maybe FATE should somehow be instanced to prevent a busy zone from crippling playability in a busy FATE?

Hmm, Im curious if the people who are on PS3 and say there is no lag, are thinking lag is the same thing as others think it is. Im on a PS3 with 6mbps DSL (used to have 30 but had to save money). My ping is like 3x better on my current DSL than it was on my cable connection. Anyway, some Fates are much worse for me, but Im only level 27 but have experienced rushing into a fate zone and not really see anything for about 3-5sec, but on others its better and I can see things enough to fight and heal etc. right away. Im wondering if its the same on faster cable aswell.

What Im noticing most and I assume its system lag, when your approach like a chocobo guy and you see him standing there in the town but no chocobos and only after you get to him the surrounding characters pop in. This seems pretty consistent lately with quest characters aswell. Its pretty annoying.

Im thinking the PS3's low memory issue (the reason for its delay in the first place) is causing these issues where its just too much all at once for the system to load in. With a dynamic MMO like this they cant really program that ahead of time, like they can with games they know whats going to happen, in any certain instance. I probably didnt explain that very well as Im not too technical about programing.

*Good explanation Kosmos992k

For sure the number of players is too high for the ps3 memory, but it´s not the only reason about lags, cause during the beta 3 i made some ALEAS with 40-50 players around me and i never had any lags issues.

Right now when i'm playing on maps with few players compared to other maps like coerthas, i've always got lags issues and since the last update from SE I also have tremendous lags during dungeon, last time i played during 30min whithout seeing any members of my team...
This iś not only a ps3/ISP/ issue, the problem mostly come from SE servers and the fact that they authorize more players to play on a server than it can support. They open a large number of new servers in US and Japan, but the worlds transfers are not ready yet, so players with high lvl caracters don't want to create a new caracter and start again from the begining...
Maybe in a few months we should see the end of the tunnel...

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Originally Posted by Ebojager

Hmm, Im curious if the people who are on PS3 and say there is no lag, are thinking lag is the same thing as others think it is. Im on a PS3 with 6mbps DSL (used to have 30 but had to save money). My ping is like 3x better on my current DSL than it was on my cable connection. Anyway, some Fates are much worse for me, but Im only level 27 but have experienced rushing into a fate zone and not really see anything for about 3-5sec, but on others its better and I can see things enough to fight and heal etc. right away. Im wondering if its the same on faster cable aswell.

What Im noticing most and I assume its system lag, when your approach like a chocobo guy and you see him standing there in the town but no chocobos and only after you get to him the surrounding characters pop in. This seems pretty consistent lately with quest characters aswell. Its pretty annoying.

Im thinking the PS3's low memory issue (the reason for its delay in the first place) is causing these issues where its just too much all at once for the system to load in. With a dynamic MMO like this they cant really program that ahead of time, like they can with games they know whats going to happen, in any certain instance. I probably didnt explain that very well as Im not too technical about programing.

*Good explanation Kosmos992k

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The graphical processing power of the ps3 is limited. You have to remember, it's a 6 year old system. It has trouble rendering so many character models at once on the screen. That's why it loads models slowly, after an elapsed time.

this is a rendering issue and priority issue if you havent experienced it on the ps3 then you havent done any major fates such as its not lupus (the big crab in costa del sol), svara, odin, and behemoth. i am sure i missed one or two of the bigger ones but these are the ones i know i avoid. whoever said to change the battle effects settings should know this does not work with rendering as much as it stops server lag. this issue is on ps3 and pc it just tends to happen on lower end pcs more frequently. what happend is when the game servers capacity was upgraded they forgot to scale the rendering priority to the new scale of players.

Edit: this issue has been adressed by SE yet they have not stated any hot fix in the works. what i believe they are doing is waiting for the subscription fees to roll in so that they will have a clearer vision on how to scale this issue.

Unfortunately it runs exactly the way they want it to, also a lawsuit due to this is impossible seeing as they set loading priority for mobs to be under pets players and minions. Also you are only being limited due to performance of what you play on some pc and majority of ps3's face thus issue due to the hardware there on. I know this to be true due to me a buddy on ps3 and one on a weaker pc all on TS and at the same fate I saw everything and my settings are all maxed while both of them saw only players. Mind you we are all within 1 mile of each other and equal isp connections to only difference is power of our hardware.

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Originally Posted by Eldeniel

For sure the number of players is too high for the ps3 memory, but it´s not the only reason about lags, cause during the beta 3 i made some ALEAS with 40-50 players around me and i never had any lags issues.

Right now when i'm playing on maps with few players compared to other maps like coerthas, i've always got lags issues and since the last update from SE I also have tremendous lags during dungeon, last time i played during 30min whithout seeing any members of my team...
This iś not only a ps3/ISP/ issue, the problem mostly come from SE servers and the fact that they authorize more players to play on a server than it can support. They open a large number of new servers in US and Japan, but the worlds transfers are not ready yet, so players with high lvl caracters don't want to create a new caracter and start again from the begining...
Maybe in a few months we should see the end of the tunnel...

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No its mostly a hardware issue seeing as i load every player and mob instantly and never have seen mobs or players not loading and yes I ha e been apart of every large fate ingame granted I'm on a very high end pc but the problem is the priority they load things and the limitations of your hardware combining to cause this

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Originally Posted by Studingo

massive mmos arent meant for consoles, no matter how much you or a company may like to believe that. If you are gonna be a serious mmo player time to invest in a PC

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Well you have a point but if a company tells you u cab play it on the ps3 you should be able to play in the ps3 not everyone has 1100 for a good gaming pc

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Originally Posted by Blazn

No its mostly a hardware issue seeing as i load every player and mob instantly and never have seen mobs or players not loading and yes I ha e been apart of every large fate ingame granted I'm on a very high end pc but the problem is the priority they load things and the limitations of your hardware combining to cause this

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It can't be only because of my hardware, cause before the last update I've never had any troubles in dungeons. I agree with you that the ps3 is limited and that it cannot load instantly hundred of players, but during dungeons, with only four players, it's not normal that i've spent more than 30 min whithout being able to see my teammates.
Also, i know some friends who had the same issues than i am, with the same type of connection, same ps3 and all, and when they tried to use VPN it fixed all their troubles... So if it's a hardware issue, then why the use of a VPN solved it for a large number of players ?

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Originally Posted by Eldeniel

It can't be only because of my hardware, cause before the last update I've never had any troubles in dungeons. I agree with you that the ps3 is limited and that it cannot load instantly hundred of players, but during dungeons, with only four players, it's not normal that i've spent more than 30 min whithout being able to see my teammates.
Also, i know some friends who had the same issues than i am, with the same type of connection, same ps3 and all, and when they tried to use VPN it fixed all their troubles... So if it's a hardware issue, then why the use of a VPN solved it for a large number of players ?

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Then your isp most likely classifies the game as peer to peer software and throttles the speed as far as the latest patch goes that is still not a reason in my opinion seeing as i know 5 people irl with top end pc's and them along with me have seen 0 of these issues so it is 99 percent of the time a combination of their priority for loading things your isp and you hardware that causes things to not rendered perhaps calling your isp could resolve it mind you the update may have had a effect on how your isp views and throttles the bandwidth used by the game. (sorry if I use incorrect terms for a few things but you should get my point)

Yeah the performance on the PS3 leaves a lot to be desired. It's not just FATES; but neither is it every fate. For instance, anybody who has done Svara on a PS3 knows that there is undoubtedly a huge problem, I.E. Svara doesn't load at all - most of the time. Sure, you can turn all of the combat effects off and it "might" work, but other problems persist. Waiting for NPC's to load in general is a persistent problem.

I'm getting a PS4, and I'll be taking advantage of the free upgrade, but I do feel bad for those who have no intention of buying a PS4 and are left with a decidedly inferior product. The problem is, I honestly don't know that there is much Square Enix can do to make the PS3 more functional.

+1

Normally things are OK, but when there are a lot of people (happened in Drahonhead and the Processing Plant), things tend to disappear, which is frustrating because you get there on time but since nothing loads, ends up in time running out.

Fights like Svara, DD, Gorgimera (?) among others are good examples.

I do hope that it's different on PS4, but then, I believe that the beta starts on February? So it's three months after launch.

I am one of the individuals who will be getting a PS4 on launch or very shortly after. I'm disabled so I don't have luxury of playing at a computer desk like most. I could hook a PC to my tv but I'm also not rich enough to afford a 1100 dollar gaming system. So I'll settle for dropping 400 on a ps4 and sitting comfortably on my couch where I can tolerate the physical pain. This issue lies with the prioritization to which the server sends the appropriate data (the monster first) aka culling. There needs to be an option in the system config that limits the amount of players rendered at any given time (eg; 5, 10, 15 players selectively) so when you enter a popular fate, you only see the amount of players you want to see. Easy as that.