High level gathering is useless

There is just no market for any of this stuff. I originally leveled mining to fund mats for goldsmithing, because the mats were expensive. In less than a week the value of all the materials has hit rock bottom. There is nothing you can gather that is worth ANYTHING. The most valuable item that can be gathered is shards...which can be done at level one. There is still some value in the unspoiled nodes, but another 2-3 days and they will be worthless too. This has to be the only game I've played where the gathering profession couldnt make money selling their gathers.

So no one are buying what you gather, or the price is lower then the vendoring price? Maybe there is not much crafters around yet to sell your stuff to?
Also I've noticed there are already mining bots doing their job..

Gathering is very simple, so bots are easy to write and use.

Crafters aren't buying, because there is no market for most gear (as it is all an easy reward from the NPC or dungeon, or sold cheap by the NPC)

If crafters aren't buying, then gatherers have noone to sell to.

Many people are also scared of the lack of gil influx to the game, so the economy is shrinking and noone has any faith in spending gil.

What they need to do is reduce the price of gil sinks in this game i.e. (teleport, repairs, etc) remove the quest gear that is given unless provided by your class quests and give crafters a market of some type.

The market still needs time to form. I'm finding level 10 materials with 50 entries on the market selling for 10-50X the NPC price and the gear its used to make selling for 8-10X NPC values. A couple new players that aren't familiar with the game may make the mistake of buying those items, but for the most part they will never sell. But people use existing market price to price their own sales (search ash logs and see they're selling for 80, so you post for 75). Eventually those numbers will come down.

A system I've seen used in other games that helped the market form was to post NPC prices on the market board for the item. That way people posting their own items have a much better idea what it's real value is and can decide whether to keep crafting at 40% NPC price or move on to another item which is selling for 95%.

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Originally Posted by Lyein

The market still needs time to form. I'm finding level 10 materials with 50 entries on the market selling for 10-50X the NPC price and the gear its used to make selling for 8-10X NPC values. A couple new players that aren't familiar with the game may make the mistake of buying those items, but for the most part they will never sell. But people use existing market price to price their own sales (search ash logs and see they're selling for 80, so you post for 75). Eventually those numbers will come down.

A system I've seen used in other games that helped the market form was to post NPC prices on the market board for the item. That way people posting their own items have a much better idea what it's real value is and can decide whether to keep crafting at 40% NPC price or move on to another item which is selling for 95%.

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It does not need time, in fact the early phase was the only part where it made money. Its going to be 100% worthless very soon.

You probably just need to wait for the crafters to catch up. Not many of the servers had crafters who pushed through only using HQ Leve's.

The servers with all of those crafters(5-10 per profession as of late) have end game gathering markets that are most definitely profitable.

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Originally Posted by Astalder

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On the contrary, at least on Hyperion the endgame crafting market has tanked, raw materials are virtually worthless (e.g HQ Zircon sells for 200g, NQ Gold Ore is about the same). Meanwhile Materia sells for a whopping 24k for III and 50k for IVs.

The problem is in the gear design and the fact that all the high end crafted items are utterly pointless to make due to their lower stats and higher cost in Tomestones compared to Darklight. Since gear is essentially not a factor in the economy aside from the crafter specific armors and tools, they have more or less disabled the economy.

I'm under the impression this was done intentionally to stagnate level 50 crafters on legacy servers and prevent speed crafters on new servers from cornering markets and throwing off the balance. As it stands there is virtually no reason to level a craft outside of being able to meld. What I think is going to happen in the near future is that crafters are going to require tips for melding since they dumped all of their money into leveling and gearing their craft.

I say this as a 50 GSM (Craftsmanship:360/Control:350) who dumped 500k into my gear for no reason.

wish ultros would get the message on materia III's 80k for quicktoungue nonone is going to buy cause no way to get gil back cant even make a new character to gil farm.

What do you mean useless?
I am but level 20 Botanist, but so far I have sold everything. Yes I have sold cheap, 9-19 gil / piece, with modest profits, 2-3k / hour maybe.

I was hoping that I could make more money at higher levels, why do you think it`s not so?

Can you post an example? Item / price, etc?

Is killing mobs better at level 50? For the mats they drop I mean.

You just need to look harder for what will make you money. I'm still making a ton by gathering and crafting. It's not as easy as putting just anything up there. You need to figure out what the market board is lacking and watch trends.

Yoshi has stated quite a few times that housing and PVP will change everything for crafters and gatherers, and thus the economy.

2.1,

2 months away.

Please look forward to it. Lolz

I know if people gathered the stuff I was looking for half the time, I would buy it. Maybe some of the things you can get at mid-level gathering nodes could potentially make you more? I guess try scanning the market and see what is needed.

Being server first 50 miner on Cactuar server I made quite a lot of money since I was the only one being able to supply the whole server with rare mats and even the HQ. Selling darksteel ore at 12k, gold sand at 9k, gold ore at 3k, grade 3 matter at 4k, etc.

I used to make about 1 million each day, maybe a bit less but now I barely make 150k a day. The market is pretty dead for now, maybe housing will change that who knows

The problem is that more people than ever are leveling gathering professions and there aren't enough crafters to keep up. People constantly undercut each other and so prices hit rock bottom. As an example, over the weekend, on Saturday morning, I sold a couple stacks of Bomb Ash for 90g each (not per stack). Just later that afternoon, it had already dropped to 20g each.

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Originally Posted by jcw005

The problem is that more people than ever are leveling gathering professions and there aren't enough crafters to keep up. People constantly undercut each other and so prices hit rock bottom. As an example, over the weekend, on Saturday morning, I sold a couple stacks of Bomb Ash for 90g each (not per stack). Just later that afternoon, it had already dropped to 20g each.

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More like 2 things are happening:


a) people that didn't level DoL primarily are running out of Gil. Repairs are expensive and once your 200k from questing runs out you are left with not much to spend.
b) people realized that the only use of crafters is for the Relic Weapon quest, since the best gear comes from dungeons / raids, and it can't have materia bound to it, which completely obviates the need to level any crafting classes.

If SE would allow limited materia binding to dungeon / raid gear leveling crafting would be in higher demand, and crafted gear would be in higher demand in order to convert to materia. But right now the only things that can have materia are the Darksteel level gear, but those are generally worse than Darklight (unless you HQ) and require far more tomestones to get the mats in order to craft them, in addition to the thousands upon thousands of gil for the mats to make them.

They did a poor job balancing the endgame equipment, and the pain DoL is feeling is a direct result of that, IMO.

the issue I have now (lv 31 botanist - not many Leves left) is that no matter what I gather, the profit gained by selling it to AH will be minimal(but at least I won`t lose money). I will end up just picking stuff up just to level the prof, but it feels so empty...

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Originally Posted by kurokawa

Yoshi has stated quite a few times that housing and PVP will change everything for crafters and gatherers, and thus the economy. 2.1

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Source please.

wait, there are people actually selling mats you gathered?? There isn't enough economy on my server for most of them to be over 1 gil, the expensive ones being 5-10 gil maybe. I hate how long it takes to research just one item and then go through the menus of the retainer to finally post the item. Just not worth it to me, I vendor almost everything I gather if I don't use it on my crafters. Then I still vendor whatever I made on my crafter. Not enough space to sell a bunch of worthless junk and it just takes so much time to post it all to make 100 gil here or there.

I DO make money selling drops from dungeons, though.

I have noticed an alarming number of very purposeful price tanking. An Item I would sell, cheaply, for 800 one day is being sold by 1 individual or a few for 50 gil, far below the cost to create at times. I feel like a lot of people are playing games with the Market, especially those who don't care / plan on checking out after the free period ends. I hope things level off, so I am storing most items or selling cheap myself, but I went from making thousands a day to a few hundred or not selling.

And no, I am not one of the super high priced people unless I screw up. I generally ask = or slightly above the lowest, recent, repeated purchase price.

I do worry how they will address this economy though. Staying hopeful, but worried none the less.

I have a 50 Fisher and a 45 Miner, The only material I ever buy from the AH is Gold Ore, and I will never ever ever again after I get my miner to 46 and get Truth of the Mountains. The marked for gathered materials will always go down as people level up. It's just too easy to get materials yourself. That being said, almost all Crafting gear is useless, as a couple hours of grinding tombs can bypass any gear for DoW/DoM jobs.

It's sad but it's just part of the game. I invested so much money into getting my Goldsmith able to 2* crafts, but the only thing I can ever sell are the following: Crafting items, such as Electrum Choker, Aetherite Rings, and iLv55 Helms; A Relic Reborn Weapons, the BLM item needed for the relic quest that's price is dropping mega fast.

This is just my view but i can easily see what this might be, like what someone mention before this was thoguht of before hand and its basically to cap of monopoly's and bots. Im guessing 2.1 sometime November will raise the craft levels past 70 so their will be a actual market instead of handicapping the market .

The market right now is other crafters. DoW/DoM rarely even buy food. 90% of the time I use Duty Finder, I'm the only person who is eating food.

Crafters and Gatherers REALLY benefit from the HQ crafted gear, especially once you bind materia to it. Yes, you get gear from your class quests every 5 levels, but not complete sets.

Sometimes finding a good money source is more about patience and hard work than it is about getting to lv. 50.

On balmung the market seems ok, I mine crystals for my goldsmith, buy nq electrum and turn it into hq ingots for a 400% profit. I could go a step further and turn it into a 1* or something but the money is good being a middleman.

Everything everyone is stating is true. you look at the easyness of the game at this stage and the ease of access gear has the economy took a back burner.
while people run castrum over and over for darklight to run other instances to then get the new relic gear the crafted items do fall into a hindsight.
in FFXI food was crucial to how your character was in a fight, and gear meant everything. the easy access to this gear at the end game level has made the crafts as a whole....a hobby and thats pretty much it. im sure in future patches there will be something along the lines of the gear they had in FFXI where u need a drop and a craft to unlock said new gear. like behemoth skins needed for the behemoth armor set.

It does make money, you farm the mats to craft the gear without spending a gil on any of the mats.

In Moogle at start, i earned gil selling dyes, 1k, 800 gil. Now 150 gil and thanks.

The most crafter are leveling using levequest, giving HQ items crafted by himself or buyed in market whether is more cheap. They no necessary buy raw ores.

If you wanna sell item, look the items which they need HQ and put on market.

Farming shards is probably the most profitable as a gatherer. Pretty sad actually.

I think one of the biggest problem is how long it takes to level a gatherer vs a crafter. You end up mining 4 times the mats needed to level a crafter so you end up with a lot more mats, which sell on AH.

Another issue I have found is, you can level crafting really fast using leavequest, but there are no leave quest for gathering past lvl 25ish (miner atleast), so you have to brute force it.

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Originally Posted by Sentinel

I think one of the biggest problem is how long it takes to level a gatherer vs a crafter. You end up mining 4 times the mats needed to level a crafter so you end up with a lot more mats, which sell on AH.

Another issue I have found is, you can level crafting really fast using leavequest, but there are no leave quest for gathering past lvl 25ish (miner atleast), so you have to brute force it.

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In Coerthas, southeast village have lvl 35 levequest, the northwest, lvl 40+. One trick is get the levequest, i don't remember the name, there are 4 nodes and bonus 20% xp reward if you obtain 160 points. Sometimes, one potion 300GP points help you to complete on time if your level or gear is low.

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Originally Posted by Sentinel

I think one of the biggest problem is how long it takes to level a gatherer vs a crafter. You end up mining 4 times the mats needed to level a crafter so you end up with a lot more mats, which sell on AH.

Another issue I have found is, you can level crafting really fast using leavequest, but there are no leave quest for gathering past lvl 25ish (miner atleast), so you have to brute force it.

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There are mining/botany leves all of the way to 45, you just need to look in some other towns. =D

Right now just pushing myself through leves to level mining. Cuz in Odin the prices are ridiculous and i'm not sure that you can sell much - so not worth sacrificing exp/time from leves to just mine. Only time when I do std mining is when i do GC provisioning missions.

The only thing that has sky-high prices is food. Which is stupid IMO, because if i need to re-buff it every 1/2h I have no interest in buying decent food for 1k a peace. Especially if i have heard that you lose more gil at end-game than you are able to earn. Too much gil is vented and too less is given at end-game.

I think that they messed up with the fact that the dung gear is too easy to get, quests give a lot of gear and DoH just are not needed as much.and once you have caped your 50lvl char "you might as well level the rest".

Hope the markets will stabilize. They could introduce rare recipe drops or something like that.. to actually make crafting special.

After 1 or 2 month the market is going to be better ? Yea ~ right. By that time everyone would mostly have 1 disciple of war/magic max + disciple of land max + disciple of had max (Minimum)

And it still can be switch to 1 war/magic + 2 craft just by buying mats and selling em.

Or even just straight up from the start playing as a craft and gather would have max out 3~6 craft + gather minimum.

Think of the competition. Think of where on earth is the money coming from if players are just making money from each other. By that time only place where the game will give "good money" are from the leves.

And that's only 2months in the game.

You say market is going to exploit after 2.1 ? yea, maybe... then every1 would have max out everything and wouldnt need to buy anything from anyone anymore anyway...

Just a really rough prediction...

I'm not sure why people are having problems selling gathering mats. On our server I sell everything I gather if I am not using it. The higher I am, the more HQ lower level stuff I get and that sells nicely. Or I use it to make HQ food items. I do check the market everyday and adjust what I sell that way. If I see someone dropping prices like mad on a item I previously was making gil on I move to another item I see a need for.

On our server DoH outnumber DoL 2 to 1 at least, there is always a need. People need to stick it out, it will all work out in the end.

Yeah, the problem is that crafts are useless so the crafters aren't buying mats because their inventory isn't moving.