This has slowly been getting on my nerves for a while, now. I go and unlock a dungeon and sit outside to form a party to get it done with. I'm always surprised to see very few others waiting around as well. Most of the time, those who do occupy the are are AFK.
I get that Duty Finder is a huge convenience for those who don't have a lot of time on their hands or would rather rush and get as much possible in the time that Duty Finder takes to assemble a party.
But why is it so unbelievably rare to find people with the same mindset as myself who wouldn't mind waiting for just a few minutes to form a party with other players and get the dungeon run going? Pretty much nine times out of ten, I'll see someone go and unlock the same dungeon I'm waiting on, then immediately leave, having Duty Finder take care of all the work. Why not just wait a bit? If everyone who immediately left would just put up with standing around to make a party for only ten minutes (not all that much time in the grand scheme of things), then we'd all be inside and out in no time at all.
It frustrates me to no end seeing people walk away from a dungeon. Is any semblance of patience nowadays just gone? I've seen talk of Duty Finder ruining the sense of community since Beta, and never have I agreed with that claim until now. When making a party manually takes longer than they very long process of Duty Finder, I start thinking something's up.
I apologize for the rant, but this really been bothering more and more lately.
I was never against Duty Finder until now.
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09-09-2013, 11:26 AMVensavalI was never against Duty Finder until now.
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09-09-2013, 11:30 AMDevilair
it's just more convenient. More fun. I'd rather go do other stuff while queueing up for a dungeon rather than start shouting for a party. I already do it all the time in all LS i'm in and the FC too. If people want's to join yey, if they don't want not my problem, there's a handy df for a reason =P
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09-09-2013, 11:34 AMAlternativeOne
Even if you stand outside and make a group you still have to use DF to enter. Thats what wrong with it. You should be able to enter and leave a dungeon at will. Enter alone if you want. You cant so its a waste of time to stand around waiting on others. Since you have to que in DF anyway. Knowing its going to take long you continue your quest or what ever your doing till DF forms your group. Its not the players its the system. Everything is instance so there isnt any reason at all to wait around for anything.
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09-09-2013, 11:41 AMSKYeXile
This is what you find frustrating about the duty finder? for me...its the people...
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09-09-2013, 11:43 AMBalzaque
im sure if ppl asked me to group for the dungeon i would be more then happy to group up, but unless i dont have anything else to do ingame i wont stay still waiting at the door of the dungeon for no reason =P
alt+tab, go do something else and wait for the ring -
09-09-2013, 11:46 AMThanMazusThe most frustrating thing about DF is all the anti-DF people. According to them, if you want to do anything at all, you should be in a hardcore Free Company, with an infinite number of friends, FC members, LS mates, and a strong enough connection to the community on the server to build a full party for all events with proper configurations at any time of day. Better get to knowing everybody on the server if you want to finish that dungeon for your plot progress!Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYeXile
I'm sure they'll show up here shortly to say that DF shouldn't exist, or shouldn't allow for any content above a certain level, or something else that removes choice from the players. -
09-09-2013, 11:49 AMCUTS3R
While i don't really mind about the DF because it can be really convenient if you want to get a group "quickly", i, in another hand, kinda miss how it was in P3 before the DF was implemented.
It was promoting to go socialize with the players around you in order to get a dungeon run. I remember when i first tried the dungeons that were available, the dungeons entrances were literally filled with people trying to make groups.
Nowadays when i try to do them on subclasses, there is barely 5 players waiting, with 3 of them being AFK waiting for DF to find a group.
Too bad we pretty much lost this when the DF has been implemented. -
09-09-2013, 11:52 AMFlionheart
My least favourite thing about DF are the token people that remain silent for the entire run.
Before a boss:
"Have you done this before?"
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"There's some strange mechanics"
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"Ok... Stand on the glowing panel if you get doomed"
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They subsequently die from doom. -
09-09-2013, 11:56 AMSKYeXileLol, i like it when they do reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flionheart
"Have you done this before?"
- "yes, 5 times:
"all right then, lets do this"
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09-09-2013, 12:31 PMAreeSoothsayer
I hate the ones who complain about pugs, when by being there alone they are now a pug. Then if something goes wrong because of someone new to the dungeon., maybe not first run, who hasn't gotten the experiance to go through smooothly. They up and quit. Then there's the 1 wipe quitters. The "Ah didn't get the loot I wanted" quitters. The "Why you not heal me when I DPS a mob the tank isn't and grab agro" quitters. (I do that so they will focus on the same mob) Silent Quitters.
All they need to do is pop out and reque. Wasting the time of everyone else. DF is a decent idea but far too easily exploited and abused. -
09-09-2013, 12:39 PMKaedan94
If you want to make your own party manually, nothing is stopping you from doing so. If you have 4 people in a party and then you queue for the instance, it's an instant queue (assuming the servers aren't lagging/broken).
It has always, always taken longer to find a party manually than with a Dungeon finder. The whole point of a dungeon finder is to shorten the wait. The one exception can be DPS, since 80% of the people queuing are DPS, but DF is still usually shorter. -
09-09-2013, 12:49 PMKrisan
DF is mostly fine, they just need to make it like it was in P3 where you can simply enter and leave a dungeon at will without using it, minus the four-eight requirement. Should be able to just enter with a group of three, or two, or even alone. Yeah you can't beat it like that, but hey.. when people drop inside an instance it searches for people to replace.. Why not allow an odd number to enter with the option of it searching for more? I'm pretty sure a lot of the content right now is possible with three or seven people. I'm also pretty sure Tank\Healer\DPSx2 and Tankx2\Healerx2\DPSx4 aren't the only viable member combinations.. so DF should allow for a bit more lenience there..
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09-09-2013, 12:51 PMVeilletteI always walk away from a dungeon. Not that I'm out of patience (I just have to click on the DF and it will start in less than a minute anyway), but it's simply because I never intended to do the dungeon right away. With how it is atm, I don't think "in front of the dungeon" is the best place for people to wait anyway, since they would likely queue DF or for those not wanting to use the DF will simply just use the shout and while waiting they'd be doing them FATEs. Don't be discouraged by the amount of people in front of the dungeon. Also a lot of people are using their multiple LS and FC chats for getting grouped up, so while there seems like nobody's up for that dungeon, just give it a shout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vensaval
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09-09-2013, 07:56 PMHawklaser
It depends on how many people are around the dungeon for me, if there are several there I will try and see if they want to form a group. Works well for the earlier dungeons, but the later ones usually don't see people waiting in front of them.
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09-09-2013, 08:04 PMWigett
I personally like it, sure u come across some idiots, but over the course i have only had a few poor groups, most are honest people just wanting to have fun, u have to over look the few jerks/idiots that u come across. its much more fun to que, and then continue questing, or do fates, or work on another class... so ur still busy, and then when the que pops.. swap back to the class/job. and off u go.. very nice. wayyyyy better than sitting for hours outside an instance spamming. blah blah looking for group.. blah blah. over and over for hours. . like in prev. FF games. makes more sense. if you dont like it. dont use it, im sure there are others that rather just sit and spam in shout LFG.... :) for me, ill be doing other stuff while in the Que. or get into a FC and party with them.. lots of options...
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09-09-2013, 10:09 PMthedevilsjester
Its funny because I am annoyed by the exact opposite. I think to myself, why are these people standing around shouting for a group like its 1995 when there is a DF service available that will match them up? If they just queue in the DF, then all those 20-30 minute DF waits will be reduced! (not sure if there are actually enough of them to make a difference, but it does not stop my knee-jerk road rage from thinking so!)
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09-09-2013, 10:25 PMRenaissance2K
If you ever played FFXI and spent three or four hours sitting in Lower Jeuno with your flag up hoping for a party invite (back in The Before Time), you'll think of the Duty Finder as nothing less than a godsend.
I agree that it does make things less personal, and there's a desire to just Leeroy Jenkins everything rather than discuss strategy for the newbies in the group, but I think that would happen even if the Duty Finder didn't exist. -
09-09-2013, 10:34 PMEsk
I've grouped with a lot of people outside dungeons, though rarely a fully group thats true.
And i would argue it does later on contribute to the community, i see so much chat around RT as people are standing around waiting for the next dungeon to pop.
So i would actually say people are doing what your saying, but just not at the dungeons themselves.
Other than the more End game issue with DF i think its a great addition.
If I want a dungeon run with a group and i don't mind waiting I'm asking my LS or people on my friends list.
If i'm just running it with random people, I just use the DF.
Tbh i hate standing around using /sh and as half the time the shouts for a group just get in the way of other convos, i would say that part of it has a negative effect on the community. -
09-09-2013, 10:41 PMFelisEven without duty finder, you can't enter the dungeon if your group don't meet the required size.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlternativeOne