Is Dungeon XP really that bad?

Well people say fates are best, but im lv 44 and doing a fate gives me like 10k XP with gold, but when i went to the lv 41 and 44 dungeons i was getting 1.4k XP per mob, mobs are ing roups of 3-4 so that's 4-5k XP per mob group that takes a few mins to kill, the fact you can kill these constantly all the way through the dungeon seems pretty good.

Now i tried to lv on fates on the snow zone and i was stood for 5 min waiting for one, then if i could get to it in time and get gold/silver id get 10k in 5-10 min, so are dungeons really as bad as people think? because from where im sat it seems dungeons are much faster and more enjoyable and constant...

Dungeons are way more enjoyable. However, fate allows you to level twice as fast when you join a group and just tag mobs in fates. Anyone trying to level fast will NEVER run a dungeon and just grind fates. It is a terrible design.

Well, since you're a tank, you won't have to wait for queues. Most people are DPS classes, and for them a queue takes at least half an hour, so FATEs are more efficient for them. Some people are doing FATEs while waiting in queue, even.

It's an exp per minute issue. Yeah, dungeons have a lot of potential exp but a single pull can sometimes take as long as a fate when its zerged and yields only half the experience. Even a dungeon boss can yield 5k exp, but the boss likely takes twice as long than zerging a fate

I joined a FATE party once today, and I can say that the experience is pretty high. However, I'm not the type to zerg through a game's content to endgame - I like to enjoy the game as I move along (especially this game because of the awesome soundtrack), so I'm not likely to spam FATEs for a while. I also like working with others in dungeons, and trying to help others if they're newer.

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Originally Posted by zx10r

Dungeons are way more enjoyable. However, fate allows you to level twice as fast when you join a group and just tag mobs in fates. Anyone trying to level fast will NEVER run a dungeon and just grind fates. It is a terrible design.

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How does this work? i see people asking for fate groups and when i joined one i gained no more XP for completing it? and most of mobs were already tagged so i gained a pathetic amount of mob XP, is it really worth grouping for fates? for some mob xp? i never seemed to gain much at all by this.

Yes the experience earned is that bad. The first time gives you a small bonus, and you get a bonus if someone in your group is new (about the equivalent of a single quest at your level).

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Originally Posted by AdamChattaway

How does this work? i see people asking for fate groups and when i joined one i gained no more XP for completing it? and most of mobs were already tagged so i gained a pathetic amount of mob XP, is it really worth grouping for fates? for some mob xp? i never seemed to gain much at all by this.

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You get the same EXP for completion, but you get EXP for every enemy your party "claims" (name is red instead of purple).

Yes lets power level through the game in 2 days give dungeons and everything 100x more exp. If you want to level really fast to max level I recommend mobas.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

You get the same EXP for completion, but you get EXP for every enemy your party "claims" (name is red instead of purple).

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I have not tried running FATES with a party yet but I do them alone and get gold almost every time and get great XP. Some classes/jobs just do better at them than others IMO. Since I am playing a BARD I can just target one mob and then Quick Knock and smash everything so my claimed mobs is excellent. CNJ and PUG seem to have major issues though because they target one at a time. I think that is why Players are using a Party so that they can "share the wealth".

I prefer dungeon exp over fates because I enjoy that way of leveling more.

I love running Dungeons also...my favorite part of the game besides the primal fights of which I have only done Ifrit so far...what level do you get to do the next one???

do fates in the "mines" 100k+ xp

I prefer to dungeon to level up, since I wanted to make myself a better healer/Tank, I practice those dungeons. ^_^ I don't really like to level extremely fast, gets me bored.

This is something I realized earlier today and it explains why dungeon xp doesn't compare as well to fate grinding. The reason is because you can only get xp chain bonuses for one level which is the minimum level you join. For example, I was doing copper mines a few times to level up with my lancer at level 18 and the enemies were giving ~350-400 xp per kill. When I went to the same place as a monk where the enemies were the same level as myself, I saw a huge jump in xp because of the chain bonuses. With my lancer at 18 and no chain bonus the instance gave me ~30k xp. When I went there on my monk at level 17 I had gotten ~45k xp.

So basically, if they allowed you to get xp chains no matter your level inside an instance group, it would dramatically increase the xp gain from them and we would have more options for good xp other than fate grinding when you are leveling up a class that has no quests left to complete.

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Originally Posted by Mikedizzy

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You know, it's really sad that you have so little trust in what you have to say, that you feel you need to colour it differently to stand out.
Stop that shit.

To post something on-topic: It's bad xp, expensive in repairs, mostly not worth it for drops.

And FATE grinding gives you more Company Seals than you can hold.

While the dungeon/quest grinders get to 50 and have to grind FATEs now for seals, the FATE grinders could have ranked up all the way to the top and have enough seals for a full set of iLv 55 gear.

FATE grinding is also more efficient because they're all just a zerg-fest. Dungeons however you can wipe, DPS can be slow, you could run into trolls, etc. In a FATE, it doesn't matter at all what everyone else are doing. They might as well be NPCs.

So on the one hand you have everything to gain by running FATEs, on the other hand you keep losing out on stuff here and there if you grind dungeons.

I believe people who grind dungeons now are only those who really love dungeons. Or want some particular drop from a dungeon.

Now to be fair, the design intention was to let players do a good mix of everything. Do dungeons every now and then, run a FATE if you're close by, take a detour while questing to complete your hunting log, etc., so dungeon grinding shouldn't be the "best" leveling grind anyway.

But then the same applies to FATEs. That's why we think it's not balanced properly. In my opinion FATEs should not spawn so frequently, and they should last a lot longer than the 3~5min rush they are now. Make them few but very rewarding. This locus swarm FATE zerging army in some zones is so sad that I am tempted to join them all the time. :3

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Originally Posted by Calyanare

Well, since you're a tank, you won't have to wait for queues. Most people are DPS classes, and for them a queue takes at least half an hour, so FATEs are more efficient for them. Some people are doing FATEs while waiting in queue, even.

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I was stuck at 47 with no story quests or even side quests until 49, so i decided to try running dungeons. Never could get one of the right level to pop, so i went and joined a fate group. That day i got two levels. It wasn't even a whole day of grinding, just a few hours. It wasn't just faster, it was insanely faster, especially with that DD one, not sure what went on, but i gained half a level each time it came up. The times i've done dungeons, it never even comes close, not to mention drop outs, rage quits, etc. There is gear in dungeons, but i've rarely seen things for the class i'm playing or win anyway. I'd rather do dungeons and quests, it's just not as easy to get in dungeons and quests aren't there as much.

I got to level 40 on Brayflox while trying to get the Battlemage's robe. It's not bad but not the best way to level.

It's not so bad. I spent 3 days at Brayfox, hunting for battlemage set and I got to lv43 from 32.

Holy cow, the battlemage robe is very hard to obtain.

Assuming zero wait time, dungeons are a pretty good way to XP. Fates are primarily popular because they require less effort for the amount of reward.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

It's not so bad. I spent 3 days at Brayfox, hunting for battlemage set and I got to lv43 from 32.

Holy cow, the battlemage robe is very hard to obtain.

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It's even worst if you have the luck of Luke Skywalker on Friday the 13th after crossing a black cat.

It's not bad at all, but it can't compare to exploiting FATEs for 100k+ EXP and such. >.>

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Originally Posted by AdamChattaway

Well people say fates are best, but im lv 44 and doing a fate gives me like 10k XP with gold, but when i went to the lv 41 and 44 dungeons i was getting 1.4k XP per mob, mobs are ing roups of 3-4 so that's 4-5k XP per mob group that takes a few mins to kill, the fact you can kill these constantly all the way through the dungeon seems pretty good.

Now i tried to lv on fates on the snow zone and i was stood for 5 min waiting for one, then if i could get to it in time and get gold/silver id get 10k in 5-10 min, so are dungeons really as bad as people think? because from where im sat it seems dungeons are much faster and more enjoyable and constant...

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Yes its bad. Dungeon xp should be increased. I actually tried a fate group today and within 30 minutes I got over 200k xp. In the hour it took to do the 47 dungeon I got 96k xp. To me this is just pure BS. Not only are the fates boring as hell, the xp from them is just insane. Either lower the fate xp or increase the dungeon xp. Me personally I'd like to see the dungeon xp increased. Encourages more people to use the duty finder and dungeons in general are just way more fun.

Fates are bad, yeah... but I think it's a necessary evil.

It's not optimal, but practically everything gives you xp anyway. I do hunting logs and such to learn the terrain and run across the occasional FATE, where I run in and just spam overpower (WAR for now) and always take gold. The xp is really unbalanced as far as job contributions, but the problem lies in the 100 people swarming the mobs, which die in 2 seconds. I don't do FATE grinding parties because the xp is cheap and brainless, I'd rather earn it. Just do as you want, there are so many terrible 50s from FATE grinding (since they never learn their job at all), and at least you can get a feel for your jobs while you level up.

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Originally Posted by Raansu

Yes its bad. Dungeon xp should be increased

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Oh.. just no. All xp should be nerfed and FATES the most.

Sorry but I disagree. Time invested into dungeons should be more rewarding than it currently is with xp.

The trash mobs actually give a good chunk of XP per kill, even scaling down to a lower level dungeon you'll still get a good influx of XP from the monsters themselves. The end reward isn't great, but the XP per kill seems to compensate for that.

My problem is the dungeons becoming not viable financially towards the end of the game, but that's a different matter!

Like others have said, I think the dungeons are as designed and pretty well balanced (in terms of XP. Gil wise? Total disaster.)

It's the FATEs that are unbalanced and problematic. Virtually no work for rewards that aren't remotely proportionate to the effort any one player is putting into it. If you solo/duo a fate you'll walk away with the same XP/Gil/Seals as if you'd done it with thirty people. That's just weird.

Fates are bad for the game imo. People are steaming to 50 on multiple jobs without learning their skills on the way. Its just a spam fest. WHM's dont need to learn the finer parts of healing, BLM's dont learn aoe/sleep rotations, just spam blizzard 2's, Tanks dont learn how to keep hate. The result is all these players hit endgame and then come unstuck very very quickly. You cant expect to go in some of the fights in just AF and the rest of your equipment at level 19 or whatever. I think perhaps fate exp should be capped to a certain amount per day or week to stop its abuse. Its almost like being powerlevelled. Having said that gotta admit ive been spamming fates on my SCH and already level 37 without really knowing the strengths of the SCH job...

I wouldn't say its that bad but people just tend to find the one thing that gives the most and focus on that and nothing else.

In FFXI we has manaburn parties.
Then melee were boosted so we had TP burn parties.
Then Summoner burn parties.

People would spend 10 or more levels stood in the same place, killing the same thing because that was the most efficient way to get EXP even if it was boring as hell.

If you want to be level 50 as soon as possible, burn FATEs like most other people, then you too can complain about how easy it is and how you get way to much experience and level too fast.
If hitting 50 asap isn't that important to you, play the game how ever you like. Find others wanting to do the same things. Enjoy the ride.

took me exactly 28 hours from lv40 to lv50 spamming FATEs using party in Coerthas