Recent lag is making Titan unkillable

This is sort of ridiculous. We have the encounter down perfectly and can kill it sometimes, but we're randomly wiped by what seems like server lag. This seems to be a fairly new problem.

We can dodge every Weight of the Land until he's at 20% health, and then suddenly have four people die even though they're 1.5x out of it's radius.

Welcome to EU servers being in Canada.

Coeurl is also hosted in Canada, but I have the same latency to it as I do to the Japan servers. Makes no sense.

Have similar server latency problems, only way u gonna kill that big fatty is if every1 in ur raid reacts INSTANTLY, or predicts weight and move when its 1 second from being cast, its hard yes, but impossible ? No that is down to players skill, latency just make it harder.

I would like EU server tho, there is more than enough demand.

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Originally Posted by Herrstarr

Have similar server latency problems, only way u gonna kill that big fatty is if every1 in ur raid reacts INSTANTLY, or predicts weight and move when its 1 second from being cast, its hard yes, but impossible ? No that is down to players skill, latency just make it harder.

I would like EU server tho, there is more than enough demand.

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I'm from a world top WoW raiding guild. I react instantly and sometimes still get hit, well out of the circle.
It's not impossible, but it's ridiculous to spend half an hour downing him, when it should be a one shot.

It doesn't really seem like a latency issue, it seems like a server issue. Whenever this happens, multiple people get hit, not just one person.

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Originally Posted by Blueoutt

Welcome to EU servers being in Canada.

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As a Canadian, I can tell you that being over here doesn't do anything to help.

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Originally Posted by Yenn

I'm from a world top WoW raiding guild. I react instantly and sometimes still get hit, well out of the circle.
It's not impossible, but it's ridiculous to spend half an hour downing him, when it should be a one shot.

It doesn't really seem like a latency issue, it seems like a server issue. Whenever this happens, multiple people get hit, not just one person.

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then if your from world top guild u can surely adjust 1 or 2 second and move before hand, taking server latency into account ;)

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Originally Posted by Herrstarr

then if your from world top guild u can surely adjust 1 or 2 second and move before hand, taking server latency into account ;)

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Thats what we do.

It's like this for everything and I live about 30min away from the montreal's data center. I can literally walk 5 feet+ from a red area and still get hit, or walk behind a mob away from a frontal AoE and get hit 3 sec later when i'm completely behind it and have been for awhile. I'm surprised I don't see more posts about it all over the place it seems to be like this for a ton of people for anything from random mobs to dungeon fights.

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Originally Posted by Herrstarr

... No that is down to players skill, latency just make it harder.....

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Baloney, skill is using the intended game mechanics, not being psychic and and having to work around a technical issue.

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Originally Posted by Herrstarr

I'd say it takes some degress of skill to predict each weight of world and move 1 second before it comes, I guess because you can't do this it means something ?

Titan has pattern of attacks you can follow, the same everytime no change, you just have to work it out

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Like wise you can exploit and call it skill because well you know ;) it takes a certain skill to exploit or hack doesn't it. My point is the game was DESIGNED to play a certain way with the INTENT that you use certain "CLUES" to avoid stuff. It was not meant or intented that you have to learn patterns so you could predict when to dodge BEFORE the clues pop up.

This doesn't mean you shouldn't know what the boss pattern is and learn any kind of strategy but you should be able to dodge when using the "clues" as it was meant to be. Knowing the pattern just lets you know when you should be paying attention to those clues so you dont miss them. You shouldn't have to ignore those "clues" because they do not work properly and instead rely on pattern prediction.

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Originally Posted by Asmodeus

Baloney, skill is using the intended game mechanics, not being psychic and and having to work around a technical issue.

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I'd say it takes some degress of skill to predict each weight of world and move 1 second before it comes, I guess because you can't do this it means something ?

Titan has pattern of attacks you can follow, the same everytime no change, you just have to work it out

Yeah you basically have to know the pattern and generally move as the move comes out or sometimes even a bit before. It's a tad ridiculous at present, you might as well be doing some of that fight with no visual indicators with how it currently works.

there probly still making adjustmeant to the duty finder servers

I've given up Titan. I guess I won't continue my SQ's and just Fate my way up to 50. So disgusted!

It's unclear to me whether this is some sort of bug or if the encounters were only tested with zero latency. Getting hit my things I'm clearly out of has been an issue all the way through the game but it's only when hitting Titan that it starts to feel like a brick wall. I'm sure server first guilds will be able to work around (Or just drop people who don't have amazing connections.) and time their movement since it's easy to avoid if you're already running before he casts anything. This isn't a giant issue now since most people aren't to Titan hard yet, but when it becomes obvious to the wider community just how buggy endgame is right now it will be a major issue.

I can't agree with the OP and the title of this thread, because titan is killable even with those latency issues. I'm a european player and in 3-4 hours raid i get hit around 1-3 times. But this doesn't mean that nothing is wrong, i'm sure players who live near the server farm will have a much larger time frame to evade those attacks. I would like to see this fixed, but i don't get my hopes up. SE promised to resolve those issues when we told them in 1.0, and see what they did, they still skrew some customers over, just not as much as before i guess.

Things got better, and i'm sure things got A LOT better for some players. But not for those who don't live in canada or next to it.

Still, Titan is killable and most of the times people get hit, they are at fault. But latency issues doesn't make it easier for those people.

Titan may be killable, not through skill, but attrition. You just have to keep doing it until someone doesn't get inconveniently lag-smashed.

It's not very satisfying to beat him, because I know the only reason my team won was because the server decided not to screw us over after 40 minutes of silliness. Which is a real shame, because it would be a pretty fun fight if it were fair.

I beat Titan with my FC multiple times tonight. I figured out his ability pattern after the heart dies though multiple experiences. If you can anticipate and dodge the abilities before they happen, it makes the fight a lot easier to deal with for those with a higher latency.

His pattern after the astral flow is: mountain buster, stomp, weight of the land, bombs, landslide(during the bombs), mountain buster, weight of the land, encase somebody in the rock, landslide, repeat from the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Yenn

I'm from a world top WoW raiding guild. I react instantly and sometimes still get hit, well out of the circle.
It's not impossible, but it's ridiculous to spend half an hour downing him, when it should be a one shot.

It doesn't really seem like a latency issue, it seems like a server issue. Whenever this happens, multiple people get hit, not just one person.

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Its because all XYZ calculations are done server side. Many other MMO's, such as WoW, do these client side which makes the game more streamline. Server initiates weight of land, sends it to clients (latency .2s?) then waits, server then detonates skill, (another .2s before it shows on your screen) and takes your characters XYZ (which is latency +.3 behind, because server only updates player XYZ every .3s).

Therefore its possible your character is up to .8 seconds behind the skill, which is enough time to run 4-5 character lengths past the end of the skill animation.

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Originally Posted by Ballmeat

I beat Titan with my FC multiple times tonight. I figured out his ability pattern after the heart dies though multiple experiences. If you can anticipate and dodge the abilities before they happen, it makes the fight a lot easier to deal with for those with a higher latency.

His pattern after the astral flow is: mountain buster, stomp, weight of the land, bombs, landslide(during the bombs), mountain buster, weight of the land, encase somebody in the rock, landslide, repeat from the beginning.

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sorry, I' not psychic and should not have to compensate for a screwed programming issue!

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Originally Posted by Herrstarr

I'd say it takes some degress of skill to predict each weight of world and move 1 second before it comes, I guess because you can't do this it means something ?

Titan has pattern of attacks you can follow, the same everytime no change, you just have to work it out

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The limit on posting is very very annoying in these forums and we should all just ignore the official ones and use an unofficial forum for talks like this. You are presuming I have not done or is able to predict patterns which is false, I have been doing dungeons just to help out peeps get by them as they are having trouble with tanks etc.

You are missing the point with your blind defense of the situation and ignoring what I am saying. Go back read my previous post as an edit was the only way I could reply to you at the time.

Getting around crappy mechanics or technical issues does not equate skill and that is what I am saying.

Like others are saying this is more than likely due to server side checks as it is not all client side, and we all know why it isn't client all side heh!

ok so I am from a european guild (Black Horizon on Shiva) and we have like 110-140ms to the servers (ping 184.107.107.176) and we managed to kill this boss tonight. Our blackmage died in the middle of the heart phase and we were not able to ressurrect him for longer than ~10seconds. So yeah, we basically did the boss with 7 people, had like 8 stomps in the end and only 3 people survived this madness.

Now Coeurl is an american server so you shouldn't have the same amount of lag as we do -> it's not unkillable, just annoying as f.... :/

in case you don't believe me:
- our tank with the shield -> http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1588654/
- ping -> http://i.imgur.com/KsxEDe3.jpg
- ping2 -> http://i.imgur.com/PWdPm7q.jpg

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Originally Posted by Zsavooz

sorry, I' not psychic and should not have to compensate for a screwed programming issue!

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You don't need to be psychic, you just need a basic understanding of timing and pattern recognition.

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Originally Posted by Ballmeat

I beat Titan with my FC multiple times tonight. I figured out his ability pattern after the heart dies though multiple experiences. If you can anticipate and dodge the abilities before they happen, it makes the fight a lot easier to deal with for those with a higher latency.

His pattern after the astral flow is: mountain buster, stomp, weight of the land, bombs, landslide(during the bombs), mountain buster, weight of the land, encase somebody in the rock, landslide, repeat from the beginning.

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The best part of this post is that tanks do not have to dodge any mechanic on Titan. You may have "worked out his ability pattern" while standing still in a corner and mindlessly mashing a rotation, but that doesn't mean that you put it into practice. Nor does it mean it's ok for the people who actually have to deal with the delay.

I have 300 ping and I still rarely get hit by a move on Titan (and I actually dps on it) but I'm not going to deny that the game has very obvious problems just to act like I'm a hardcore top skill player in a very low skill cap MMO.

You can't defend the client-server desync in this game. Just because the fights are possible despite it doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed.

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Originally Posted by Faction

The best part of this post is that tanks do not have to dodge any mechanic on Titan. You may have "worked out his ability pattern" while standing still in a corner and mindlessly mashing a rotation, but that doesn't mean that you put it into practice. Nor does it mean it's ok for the people who actually have to deal with the delay.

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I only tanked the fight for one of the four times we killed him. I did "put it in to practice" by calling out everything titan was going to do before he did it on VOIP, allowing my FC and myself to dodge his abilities in the last phase much more consistently.

I'm not saying that the lag situation isn't messed up, because it is. I'm just saying if you want to beat titan as the situation stands right now, then it REALLY helps to anticipate this stuff before it happens. Hopefully SE fixes this problem soon.

I pray to Jesus before every pull. The lord decides if I'm ready for my relic weapon

A realm reborn is not so much about you responding on mechanics the game shows you, but understanding how to work around the flaws caused by poor coding.
You play with a delay regardless where you from.
Of course next to poor latency masking having a high ms isn't helping either.


Back on the beta board people voiced their concern, SE locked the topic and said 'we know'.
Yoshi P responded and said they 'fixed it' but no it's still bad.

It kills the fun but this design choice is fully intentional, you don't see this in WOW/Tera/Rift even when you have 200 ms.

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Originally Posted by thalane

Now Coeurl is an american server so you shouldn't have the same amount of lag as we do -> it's not unkillable, just annoying as f.... :/

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This is where you are wrong, every NA/EU Server is in Canada or America, don't know which but does not matter anyways, we all have the same latency/lag. Though i agree he is killable, i have to say, these are pretty much the worst servers i have seen in an pay to play mmo by far.

yeah, ok. Thanks for the advice/ /sarcasm off

I agree, I can keep dodging his plumes and line aoe but he'll eventually hit me even though I'm 100 km's away from the influence area.....And sometimes where I think he would of hit me he doesn't....It seems compleatly random.....It's not very easy dodging a skill that takes 1.5 seconds to cast with a 1 second delay. =/ It's doable but it's not really fair now is it? >_>

Edit:"Also I've been in groups that get past the heart on the first try, Everyone knows what they are doing....They beat Garuda with the latency issues after all, Everyone at this point has the skill to dodge everything they need to, but even though we get so close after that we can't getback to the same phase on our 2nd, 3rd go.....Why? is it because we are unskilled the real answer is...No...It's just terrible coding and it needs to be fixed....otherwise this will be the only reason I stop playing this game and it's a shame, I'm really enjoying it." >_>