Having trouble getting to level 5 surplus or higher

I know surplus is bad and all and cuts your sp but I have been leveling near constantly on this game and I can't seem to get past level 4 surplus over the course of any given week. My conjurer went from level 27 to level 37 in one week before the surplus was reset and it didn't get past level 4 surplus. I also started leveling sentinel for the first time when I equipped a shield in an SP party on the first day of the surplus reset for my conjurer last week and it also capped out at level 4 surplus. It went from around 1 to 28 without getting to level 5 surplus. This is with constant SP parties and not changing my job, and I leave my game on around 18 out of 24 hours a day just to make sure my items are repaired.

Did SE remove higher than stage 4 surplus or whats the deal?

Yeah I have also had this problem, Recently it seems I am able to level much faster then before without being able to obtain Stage 5+ Surplus. SE really needs to fix this as I am leveling much to fast for my own good.

Same... Stage 4 surplus then 90k sp later... still stage 4, wtf?

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Originally Posted by Elkwood

Yeah I have also had this problem, Recently it seems I am able to level much faster then before without being able to obtain Stage 5+ Surplus. SE really needs to fix this as I am leveling much to fast for my own good.

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I completely agree with this. People complain about surplus all the time but at this rate I will be level 50 by the end of next week and really have not much else to do other than level another class, and I really only play a few hours in the morning and a few at night. The rest of the time I am doing schoolwork afking in uldah waiting for someone to repair my armor. The fact I can level so quickly completely takes the accomplishment out of leveling. I remember in ffxi when you got your next level it felt like an accomplishment but here I can just form an sp party for a few hours and get 100k sp+ and with leves its even worse. 8 people with dunesfolk, all cracked up and reveries? 300k over the course of 2 hours. It makes leveling feel like a joke.

Yeah fact is over the next 2 days we will be having multiple runs in our LS just for this sole purpose, It seems ever since SE said this was ok it has become a standard practice in every LS in the game. It has gotten so bad we even have it down to a time so that more people can make said runs before everyone usually logs off for the night. But since SE posted it is ok I guess it is.

Yeah, I mean leves are great, but the fact that you can use that exploit to get such easy experience is incredibly ridiculous. And before all the casuals come in and say "I have a life outside of final fantasy it should be easy for me to level." That is complete BS. I am in law school and I have more than enough time to do all my work and play this game, while spending time with my friends and girlfriend and I still get way too much sp and exp over the course of the few hours I play each day.

The other argument I have seen is "well the fact that when you abandon you don't get rewards" is also complete nonsense. Gil is easy as hell to get in this game. I have more than enough gil to fund multiple classes just from doing leves every reset with an 8 man party, and still abandoning half the leves.

I know that level 50 isn't going to be the level cap but this game is under risk of having everyone at level 50 and no one having low levels just like final fantasy XI did, except years sooner. There will be no one to do leve parties with and there will be no one to do sp parties with for low level characters that have just started playing the game. How is SE going to keep customers if they sign up to play an mmo but what they get is an mso because there is no one to party with?

Bad news for you: surplus will get rid along with the combat+endgame dungeon patch.
Funny how an unpopular feature is now a necessity just before they remove it

Someday FFXIV will finally make the shift from guildleves being the main source of SP to field monsters and dungeon monsters.

They already said they are removing surplus and that is a really good thing IMO but atleast we got content coming out soon.

I thought the general thought was to have this feature removed.. and now you want it fixed to kick in earlier than it does now..? oO

So you want to keep doing the leves and failing them so u can get them next reset, and do everything to have max sp, but u dont want to rank up?

@.@ me confused.

Guildleves are pretty imbalanced on both ends of the leveling department right now.... soloing leves is useless for EXP, and partying for leves can net way too damn much EXP (especially if you are actively "saving" them)

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Originally Posted by Reika

Someday FFXIV will finally make the shift from guildleves being the main source of SP to field monsters and dungeon monsters.

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Hell yeh! I hope for all levelling 50+ is strictly non guildleves.

wow really complaining about not hitting max surplus o.o i wonder what be next

all joking aside surplus be gone in few months so forget about it lol

huh??? other thread ppl complaining about surplus system, and here people complaining about halted surplus??

gosh, i just confused... thats why being developer is a hard task i guess....

Maybe it's a troll topic..? Seriously.. lol.. xd

Have two people play the character so that it's doing nothing but behest/leves and grinding trash mobs 24 hours per day and you'll get to level 5 surplus.

Let's all get level 5 surplus or die trying!

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Perhaps they want everyone to level up to rank 50 because they are about to make ranks become, in effect, the tutorial stage before you select your job, where the real action begins?

/pointlessrandomunfoundedconspiracytheorywhichmakesnosense

really? lol

what a stupid topic. I hate the fact that it's going to take me over a week just to go from 43-50 playing ALL THE TIME.

if your elitist asses can't handle a population of players all being r50 7 months after a game releases then you need more time away from the computer.

I'm not surprised by this topic... We did have some geniuses advocating for an exp/sp death penalty after all...

Surplus is not "bad" its actually not all that "bad". Do not listen to the nay-sayers.

It has nothing to do with being elitest at all and not wanting to have a bunch of high level characters to play with when I am a high level. I just believe that there needs to be a more even balance in the number of high level characters in correspondence to low level characters

wtf now we love surplus lol wow people make up your damn minds

27-37? in one week? That's not too fast. Sure, it's fast, but the pace you are ranking is just slow enough where you are hitting your soft surplus resets throughout the week. There are two soft resets that lower your rank two levels. So, it might seem like you can't get past rank 4 for that reason.

R40-50 in one week is too fast. 27-37 pshhh. Grind harder man.

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Originally Posted by Req

It has nothing to do with being elitest at all and not wanting to have a bunch of high level characters to play with when I am a high level. I just believe that there needs to be a more even balance in the number of high level characters in correspondence to low level characters

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In essence I agree with this though I despise surplus and don't think its the answer. I got my pug to 50 around the random SP days when it was much harder. Now, it seems almost too easy. Almost. They - in a way - took away what little achievement it meant to get to 50 without replacing it with anything substantial.

Hopefully if (and when) they raise the level cap it will be much harder to get to 75 (or whatever they change it to) to give the level some kind of meaning.

ha i can tell ya getting to stage 5 is not that difficult. i am now leveling 2 classes at once because i was there every week.

I have to say since the addition of the party bonus back into SP gain, I have been at a loss as to why anyone would complain about surplus. If you do fail parties you can easy earn 50k SP per broken water run. Even at high fatigue that is not denting you much. I doubt they will but I do feel fail parties should be nerfed by SE. With so little end game content, in my opinion there is no need for a player to make r50 in a month.

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Funny how an unpopular feature is now a necessity just before they remove it

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Because it's a troll post.

are you guys seriously complaining about leveling too fast?? wtf?

The backlasg from having the surplus system probably wouldn't be that extreme if classes in general had something interesting or unique to offer, rather than being so close to the same template.

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Originally Posted by Req

I completely agree with this. People complain about surplus all the time but at this rate I will be level 50 by the end of next week and really have not much else to do other than level another class, and I really only play a few hours in the morning and a few at night. The rest of the time I am doing schoolwork afking in uldah waiting for someone to repair my armor. The fact I can level so quickly completely takes the accomplishment out of leveling. I remember in ffxi when you got your next level it felt like an accomplishment but here I can just form an sp party for a few hours and get 100k sp+ and with leves its even worse. 8 people with dunesfolk, all cracked up and reveries? 300k over the course of 2 hours. It makes leveling feel like a joke.

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Seriously, how hard was it to get to 50 in FFXI?

Not having anything else to do than leveling another class when you cap one is something I could agree with, but it is a totally different problem that they are addressing at the moment.

Ever since I hit surplus the first time, I've seen it like a badge of honor. It tells me that I'm ranking up faster than SE intended.

Didn't you all used to cry and cry about surplus, and now you are asking for rank 5 surplus?? Make up your mind people :\

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

27-37? in one week? That's not too fast. Sure, it's fast, but the pace you are ranking is just slow enough where you are hitting your soft surplus resets throughout the week. There are two soft resets that lower your rank two levels. So, it might seem like you can't get past rank 4 for that reason.

R40-50 in one week is too fast. 27-37 pshhh. Grind harder man.

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I did 30-37 in a 24 hour period.... Yea... OP.... Work on your grind game...

Well, it has been over a month, and I decided to go ahead and bump this thread to update my status on achieving a higher surplus level. I still believe that leveling is too easy with not enough feeling of accomplishment. Now that I am out of school for the summer I started on a job I havent leveled yet with a few friends and we staticked to level 43 in one week. During this one week period my archer never hit higher than level 4 surplus, I did the math, and compared this with a level 43 last night who wasn't in surplus during our leve party. How is it I can get 7 levels away from cap in one week?

With the statements they have made about advanced jobs possibly keeping the same levels as the jobs that you need for a prerequisite it has me worried that the game will run out of content and things to do way too quickly for many people. If they keep the jobs that way, its only a matter of time before just about every player who plays the game more than casually will have every job at 50 considering there has been no mention of a level cap increase in any of the letters from the producer.

I think it would be a wiser decision for the levels to reset for the advanced jobs to keep people busy, leveling is easy as it is and I would like something to do other than level an alt 3 months from now because it is a huge waste of time to focus on more than one character in a game where you can select multiple jobs and play any role.

I feel the same way Req but imo i think that 50 isnt 'really' cap, when they raise the cap it should be obscene amounts of sp to grind out so then everyone that complained about surplus will realize, oh but wait theres still an sp curve time to go whine some more.

Seriously though it should bother us that 50% of the population will be capped in every class within a year.

I think we should institute a community rule to type in italics for sarcasm, because it obviously is very missed by some.

The Jobs are not "Advanced Classes" they are just titles that force specific paths of skills and traits for your character.

just admit you want to have all your 50s and then slam the door on casuals