point alotment

so currently I am a rank 30 lancer with physical level of 27.

my stats are

STR 59
VIT 60
DEX 59
INT 17
MND 30
PTY 19

I'm not really sure how to alot my points so obviously I've been throwing them all at STR VIT and DEX.

What's a good way to alot my points, and how have you others been doing it?

Thanks!

Im Phys50 and R50 Lancer

Strength 97
Vitality 100
Dexterity 97
Intelligence 65
Mind 65
Piety 65

I have my points spread because I "swing" my stats using the stat converter traits that you buy at all the DoW and DoM guilds and different Stat Rings. I have no problem facing Notorious Monsters. I use Food to deal with accuracy (Certain Fish and Meat dishes). At your rank though, I believe that you should have your stats the way they are right now.. so you can grind faster. Dont forget that other jobs require different stats.. for example: Miner needs Mind and Vitality ;)

Good luck :)

There are currently upcoming battle/class changes that are going to change the way stats work. From various forums, parse results, threads, etc. what seems to be the common ground for theories is this:

Vitality - increases HP, great stat for survivability
Mind - increases MP, great stat for survivability (it's beneficial to level mage classes for cure/regen as they help immensely for soloing)
Piety - Useful for crafting/gathering, but also seems to improve the rate at which DoTs stick, whether they are from spells or weapon skills.
Strength - Increases attack power, appears to be diminishing returns at a certain point, so this stat becomes less important after so many points.
Dexterity - Currently useless outside of DoH/DoL, it provides no noticeable benefit to accuracy or critical hit %.
Intelligence - Have actually not read into this stat much as I basically play DoW classes.

So that's the general idea at this point in the game. Basically pump up your VIT & MND to increase your HP/MP pools, and everything else is virtually unimportant. Most output and the biggest factor in your ability to do your job will be your weapon. Most armor & stats at this point aren't worth much, but this will change in the next few months, and until the changes are in place, no one really knows how stats will work but based on other MMOs/RPGs you can get an idea.

The dude above me doesn't know what hes talking about.. The only thing that he said that is true, is the fact that the developers are planning to change a few things with the Physical stats..but besides that common knowledge.. he's being ignorant -_-

ASK THE DEVELOPERS 11-5-2010

So you are saying that Dex actually does affect Acc and that you have parses to show that?

We will all wait for you to come back with some solid proof that this and the other stats work correctly.

Phys. Level: 50

Strength: 130 (171)
Vitality: 105 (118)
Dexterity: 110 (132)
Intelligence: 40
Mind: 52
Piety: 18

I compared my damage to a rank 50 Pugilist and Marauder and a rank 48+ Archer, and I dealt an average of 10 damage more than them (with a Heavy Iron Lance)

Ignorant as in the literal definition of not knowing... A few of your statements Belial discredit any of the factual information you posted.. I wasn't trying to insult you.. if you were insulted.. then im sorry.

Pendragon, if youre talking to me.. then the link I posted earlier is FACT. Those trying to disprove the fact are wasting their time. There are too many factors involved to simply set my DEX to base stat.. then increase it one point.. do 100 hits.. then increase it another point.. Each mob is different.. just thinking of Blunt versus Slash versus Peirce damage is enough to disprove anyones data. The reason why the Crab Shell +3 was a 1% rare drop 2 months ago, was because no one knew that you had to incap the crab from behind.. This game is about Learning from experience.. The R50 BSM who has botted all his crafts cant make Iron Nuggets +1 because he has his stats in MND set to base.. OH MY THE STATS ARE BROKEN!.. get real

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Ignorant as in the literal definition of not knowing... A few of your statements Belial discredit any of the factual information you posted.. I wasn't trying to insult you.. if you were insulted.. then im sorry.

Pendragon, if youre talking to me.. then the link I posted earlier is FACT. Those trying to disprove the fact are wasting their time. There are too many factors involved to simply set my DEX to base stat.. then increase it one point.. do 100 hits.. then increase it another point.. Each mob is different.. just thinking of Blunt versus Slash versus Peirce damage is enough to disprove anyones data. The reason why the Crab Shell +3 was a 1% rare drop 2 months ago, was because no one knew that you had to incap the crab from behind.. This game is about Learning from experience.. The R50 BSM who has botted all his crafts cant make Iron Nuggets +1 because he has his stats in MND set to base.. OH MY THE STATS ARE BROKEN!.. get real

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I know exactly what the definition of ignorant is, and you're conveying a prime example of it with your posts. You don't seem to understand that stats react differently on DoH/DoL than they do on DoW/DoM, and are intended for a different purpose. Using crafting/gathering examples is moot to the effects relayed on battle types. The fact is, the stat system is not functioning properly and this is a known issue. In fact, damage output, etc. is more heavily linked to your rank than it is to your physical level, which is not how the system was designed to work.

Also, just because you linked a post (that was pre-dev team changes, mind you) doesn't mean that it is cold hard evidence that stats work as intended. In fact, SE was notorious for misinformation & broken promises prior to the changes in the development team, not to mention the amount of information witheld during this time. And sorry to say, but parser results, regardless of missing certain details, are still more accurate than your visual testing.

Extensive Testing

That link is for yourself since I have not the time nor patience to put that into words here. Please take the time to research before calling someone ignorant. And certainly don't reference a dev team post from 2010 as your proof.

I appreciate the comments and suggestions from everyone, they are helping to me to make my own guideline for how I want to play.
I made this thread seeking help and for a little discussion on the different ways in which Lancer's may alot their points depending on how they want to play; that being said, there is no need for anyone to be rude or argue.

Belial and MHB3000, thank you for posting your different findings and preferred stat builds. Both have been informative but we must remember the game is still going through some major development and is constantly changing, information does not remain stagnant as well as the fact that some people find ways of playing which are outside the box or more enjoyable for their personal selves.

Again, thanks guys, I really do appreciate it, but lighten up. Don't be so quick to point out someone's "ignorance" based on information which is out dated by only a short period of time, or on an opinion of gameplay which may differ from your own.

Thanks for the follow up Belial for those that wern't aware.

( Good luck!)

I am currently Rank 26 Phys 25 I believe. I have my Dex at 50 and rest of my points in Str and Vit evenly. I have 4 acc rings though and I can hit most things decently beside super evasive things like Mites. But with Invigorate and Feint I don't really have any problems since I can just Invigorate to make sure I always have tp for Feint when I do miss. Also Life Surge is amazing for the evasion down it gives.

Then if I am in a party and can't get the extra tp from taking damage it means I am not tanking so I can just stand behind mobs and have even better accuracy.

I still don't feel stats doing much though for me. The only stat I really like is Vit since I can actually see it doing something for me in the way of extra hp. Which I so badly need. My archer friend is 1 rank below me and 1 level and has 10 less Vit and only has 40 or so hp less then me. But I guess that is kinda off-topic and for another thread at another time.

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Originally Posted by Ralos

I appreciate the comments and suggestions from everyone, they are helping to me to make my own guideline for how I want to play.
I made this thread seeking help and for a little discussion on the different ways in which Lancer's may alot their points depending on how they want to play; that being said, there is no need for anyone to be rude or argue.

Belial and MHB3000, thank you for posting your different findings and preferred stat builds. Both have been informative but we must remember the game is still going through some major development and is constantly changing, information does not remain stagnant as well as the fact that some people find ways of playing which are outside the box or more enjoyable for their personal selves.

Again, thanks guys, I really do appreciate it, but lighten up. Don't be so quick to point out someone's "ignorance" based on information which is out dated by only a short period of time, or on an opinion of gameplay which may differ from your own.

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And that's why I posted that link for yourself, as it's the most up-to-date for the current game state, although like you said, and it's something I myself have been saying for a long time, stats will likely be corrected with the battle changes implemented this Spring, so keep an eye out for new information a bit after that patch drops.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Extensive Testing

That link is for yourself since I have not the time nor patience to put that into words here. Please take the time to research before calling someone ignorant. And certainly don't reference a dev team post from 2010 as your proof.

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The Dex test was done TWICE, once on an ARC and another one on a GLA. Archers accuracy did not change with higher dex, but the accuracy of the Gladiator was higher.
You have to test all the stats with all the classes, or there are no "facts".

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Originally Posted by Budi

The Dex test was done TWICE, once on an ARC and another one on a GLA. Archers accuracy did not change with higher dex, but the accuracy of the Gladiator was higher.
You have to test all the stats with all the classes, or there are no "facts".

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That's only one resource dude, I'm not doing the legwork for you to find parses and testing done by the community, that's up to you. I know I'm right, whether or not you feel so makes no difference to me.

Also, what exactly makes stats magically react differently when switching classes? Sure, they'll have different soft & hard caps, but that doesn't mean they function properly.

Well I trust my source of testing more than anyone else (because I saw the results for myself). I just dont want people to talk complete ***. I mean you can FEEL the difference in misses with low and high dexterity.

Didn't you say yourself that the stats are broken? So why does it surprise you that some stats work differently on other classes?

The real problem is that (all) stats are useless because their effect is too low compared to the effect your rank has in regards to Damage/Defense/Accuracy/etc. Thats why the 'only" usefull stat is Vitality.

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Originally Posted by Budi

Well I trust my source of testing more than anyone else (because I saw the results for myself). I just dont want people to talk complete ***. I mean you can FEEL the difference in misses with low and high dexterity.

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Feeling is moot, unless their are some solid numbers you can link to, it means nothing. Visual observation is no substitute for solid mathemathics.

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Originally Posted by Budi

Didn't you say yourself that the stats are broken? So why does it surprise you that some stats work differently on other classes?.

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That would mean they were using different equations & coding for each class, which is completely ridiculous and makes no sense. It only makes sense if you separate them via category (Battle Classes, Gathering Classes & Crafting Classes).

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Originally Posted by Budi

The real problem is that (all) stats are useless because their effect is too low compared to the effect your rank has in regards to Damage/Defense/Accuracy/etc. Thats why the 'only" usefull stat is Vitality.

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But that's not true, as other stats have been tested to show their worth (see previous link). The only time all stats are totally useless than any testing has found has been in relation to gear. Again, I've provided information about my opinion, and can certainly link several more sources. I'm certainly more than willing to go over any valid evidence you have, any parse results, etc., but if you can't provide those your arguement means nothing.

Jeeze.. no one proved me wrong.. I stopped posting because the OP said to stop feuding on stupid shit. according to Belial's link, someone who would want to take "parse" data will have to use an illegal third party program to collect the data. I also stopped caring to post because, Belial said himself that he would take this parse data with no regards to MOBs weaknesses or types.. which proves that this data is flawed anyway.. Also.. if information on lodestone was actually outdated or false.. it would have been removed or updated, regardless of developer changes. In a month it will be june, I challenge you Ariadne to train yourself with a real bow and arrow.. and try to shoot a firefly.. I bet you that you'll miss.. probably because your stats are broken

Damn youre defending belial .... i see what your doing this is a conspiracy lololololol

I simply point out that belial advance solid data and equation that ..... he have not. Its easy to play the smart kids with that kind of speach but make sure you got the fact to back up youre stuff. BTW MHB 3000 is just as wrong as you and belial, i just dont like kids that playing it smarter than they are. Anybody that go trough the effort of collecting solid data for increasing his power will not be willing to share its knowledge for spoonfeeding some lazy kidz

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Originally Posted by MHB3000

Jeeze.. no one proved me wrong.. I stopped posting because the OP said to stop feuding on stupid shit. according to Belial's link, someone who would want to take "parse" data will have to use an illegal third party program to collect the data. I also stopped caring to post because, Belial said himself that he would take this parse data with no regards to MOBs weaknesses or types.. which proves that this data is flawed anyway.. Also.. if information on lodestone was actually outdated or false.. it would have been removed or updated, regardless of developer changes. In a month it will be june, I challenge you Ariadne to train yourself with a real bow and arrow.. and try to shoot a firefly.. I bet you that you'll miss.. probably because your stats are broken

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I like how you take things out of context. Don't put words in my mouth, you have enough trouble keeping them in your own.

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Please provide an equation to show that I did no testing myself or you are wrong.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Please provide an equation to show that I did no testing myself or you are wrong.

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Providing an equation that prove that you did not do any testing? Now how should i show an equation that shows that you did not do any testing? for someone who blame my grammar you dont check back what you write much. What about you show that equation of yours i didnt see that equation, or in fact you reffer to your subjective testing of damage on marmots?

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Providing an equation that prove that you did not do any testing? Now how should i show an equation that shows that you did not do any testing? for someone who blame my grammar you dont check back what you write much. What about you show that equation of yours i didnt see that equation, or in fact you reffer to your subjective testing of damage on marmots?

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It's called sarcasm. Thanks for taking it literal though, made me smile.

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Originally Posted by Melodicya

Hello Everyone!

We needed to remove a number of reports for personally attacking other players. Please try to keep the debate civil. The Original Poster, Ralos, has asked for any opinions on how to set stats so he can form his own opinion, so everyone's input is welcome!

Please visit the following page for reference on the forum guideline:

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Thank you for your cooperation!

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And now that the mods want to kaibosh our fun debate, I bid this topic adieu.


I've provided my information, along with logged results to show the unbalanced and broken effects that the current stat allotment plays in the game. I would like to suggest to the OP that it's more beneficial to visit the other FF14 forums (ZAM, Eorzeapedia, etc.) to review posts made actually testing the effects of stats on classes to get the best idea about how they work.

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Originally Posted by Belial

It's called sarcasm. Thanks for taking it literal though, made me smile.

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You know what makes me smile? fact that youve been trolled