What was this game going to be?

I was running around Thanalan the other day headed out of town towards camps to turn in some local leves. On my way to Camp Bluefog, I decided to run there in foot to enjoy the scenery. I had to switch from my 35thm to my 48alc to avoid getting killed from the buzzards, and diremites.

Thats when I got thinking about this games original intent and where it might have gone. The games system was originally designed for the crafting classes to be in combat alongside the others,from what I understand. I think that the physical levels were supposed to be a lot harder to level up and would have been a true discription of your actual level, where each job you would rank up in skill with that particular tool/weapon. This means if you were level 50 running around regardless of your skill with whatever tool you had equiped you wouldnt have to worry about getting one shotted.

Unfortuantely Tanakas vision was cut short from being forced to release an unfinished product. The physical levels had to be nerfed which caused the stat points to be nerfed which led the entire system to be unaffective. I think this was done so that any class could effectivily participate in the main story line.

I just started to see the revolutionary system Tanaka was envisioning and it seemed really cool. Im sad that the circumstances lead to what happened but, it is what it is and we must move on.

I am still looking forward to what the future holds. I see a real dedication and desire to make a FUN game from Yoshi-P. I must admit that sometimes the forum trolls can get me down but I've been trying to avoid those posts. Because in the end all that matters is "am I having fun in Eorzea" and my answer is YES. Yoshi-P has imo been delivering and imo will keep delivering.

I don't really have a point to this post, I was just running around thinking about it and felt like posting it. Please don't flame or hate or troll on my post. Love ya guys!!

Firstly, crafters were not meant to fight in combat. Everyone going around saying that lately don't know what they're talking about as nobody from SE ever said anything about crafters fighting except in response to demands by players pre-release and even then they were only considering it.

I think the Physical level system was supposed to work as a buffer, true. I think Physical level was supposed to be what mattered and I think Rank was supposed to be nothing more than a way for player's to get skills.

In the end, they needed to make compromises though because that system didn't really work for a game that is utterly dependant on endless grind.

I want Tanaka version i post this on other topic i think yoshi-p just gain players trust by making his little letters and crossing everything tanaka did. everything so far is not even his 100% idea he just getting what tanaka left over and making it his own.

What happen to linkshell companies? are we still getting our linkshell building and airship or is that out of the question now yoshi?

what are we calling it dungeon and raids? this is not WoW this is Final fantasy you could have call it something else stop trying to be like wow. At the end wow players would come join ffxiv leave and go back to wow or blizzard next gen mmo which is coming out in 2-3years.

why are you even changing Hamlet Defense? it was a great idea they was no need to remake it at all.

Sadly yoshi-p does not have my trust on him making this game a real final fantasy game when he making this into a wow clone by calling it dungeon and raids. don't even care if wow players would make ffxiv money there just end up quiting and returning to wow when they do a awesome patch. I play rift for 3 days when they had it free last week and half of them talking in /trade saying i'm going playing this game too wow new patch come out then am out for good.

So sadly i want tanaka version i look at every interview and that the reason i got it.

Crafters were supposed to battle, in the Tanaka interviews pre release they talked about how crafters would have abilities needed in battle, an alchemists might be needed to dissolve a gold mob. This was talked about, it was scrapped. So you can't say "crafters were NEVER supposed to be in battle"

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Firstly, crafters were not meant to fight in combat. Everyone going around saying that lately don't know what they're talking about as nobody from SE ever said anything about crafters fighting except in response to demands by players pre-release and even then they were only considering it.

I think the Physical level system was supposed to work as a buffer, true. I think Physical level was supposed to be what mattered and I think Rank was supposed to be nothing more than a way for player's to get skills.

In the end, they needed to make compromises though because that system didn't really work for a game that is utterly dependant on endless grind.

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Iwao: Blacksmiths are Disciples of the Hand who use metals to create and repair weapons and armor. Miners are Disciples of the Land who dig up ore. These classes will have very limited battle-related abilities, but may receive other things to compensate. For example, a Blacksmith may get an ability that enfeebles a gold-based enemy or one that increases the chances of having treasure drop.

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Thats an interview with some of the Devs in March 2010 and you can see that they direction the game was taking has changed dramatically from then its a shame really as it sounded really cool. Also even on the Official FFXIV site after release the profile for Miner said it had Treasure Hunter and Steal as some of it's abilities until they finally took it down.

Oh and Gifthorse I do think you are right about physical level, I believe that was supposed to be the level that mattered as far as how much you could hit for and damage you took then the class ranks are just for getting new abilities. If it worked like that THEN the armoury system would have been a lot more interesting and would have made a lot more sense allowing you to truly build your own character. What we have now is some mashup in between that just doesn't work right. It's neither proper Jobs or fully capable of making your own, just hope they decide which way they are going and do it right this time.

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I want Tanaka version i post this on other topic i think yoshi-p just gain players trust by making his little letters and crossing everything tanaka did. everything so far is not even his 100% idea he just getting what tanaka left over and making it his own.

What happen to linkshell companies? are we still getting our linkshell building and airship or is that out of the question now yoshi?

what are we calling it dungeon and raids? this is not WoW this is Final fantasy you could have call it something else stop trying to be like wow. At the end wow players would come join ffxiv leave and go back to wow or blizzard next gen mmo which is coming out in 2-3years.

why are you even changing Hamlet Defense? it was a great idea they was no need to remake it at all.

Sadly yoshi-p does not have my trust on him making this game a real final fantasy game when he making this into a wow clone by calling it dungeon and raids. don't even care if wow players would make ffxiv money there just end up quiting and returning to wow when they do a awesome patch. I play rift for 3 days when they had it free last week and half of them talking in /trade saying i'm going playing this game too wow new patch come out then am out for good.

So sadly i want tanaka version i look at every interview and that the reason i got it.

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You got Tanaka's version, if they keep it you'll be the only one playing the game.

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

Crafters were supposed to battle, in the Tanaka interviews pre release they talked about how crafters would have abilities needed in battle, an alchemists might be needed to dissolve a gold mob. This was talked about, it was scrapped. So you can't say "crafters were NEVER supposed to be in battle"

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It was said that blacksmiths might be able to spot weaknesses in metal mobs, I think.

But even so, how exactly is that fighting? That's a very situational role and obviously thrown in as an afterthought. The only combat centered around crafters is the combat featured in the main scenario quest.

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You got Tanaka's version, if they keep it you'll be the only one playing the game.

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Many of us actually bothered to stay because we were looking forward to Player-run Companies and ships.

Many people bought the game because we wanted active combat where position mattered (not auto-attack).

If Tanaka's vision was realised, Zanaku wouldn't be the only one playing. Conversely, if Yoshi's vision is realised, god help us all. Yoshi is systematically destroying the potential of FFXIV. There is nothing to look forward to anymore at all. Not even the slightest bit.

Only reason I still play is because I am curious to see if SE will fail as hard as I think they will under Yoshi's leadership. Lemmings.

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It was said that blacksmiths might be able to spot weaknesses in metal mobs, I think.

But even so, how exactly is that fighting? That's a very situational role and obviously thrown in as an afterthought. The only combat centered around crafters is the combat featured in the main scenario quest.

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I think that under there list of 100 ideas that never came to fruition that crafter's having "battle specific" abilities was being played with. Not saying its smart or that it would of made it to the game, they did have that idea running around in there head though.

Did Tanaka ever really give us fleshed out details of what Hamlet Defense was going to be about? I remember him talking about it some, but I don't recall him going into detail. So, we don't truly know what Tanaka had planned out for it or other things that haven't seen the light of day yet. If I have missed an interview, please tell me, because I know I'm not perfect lol.

I'm just going to wait and see what Yoshida is going to do with this game. I hope that they really look at what was planned and use it, but still put their own twist on it. I'm not expecting or asking them to do what Tanaka was going to do. For better or worse, we have different people on the helm of this game. They need to do what they feel is right for the game, but should also take in our thoughts, and not to mention Tanaka's plans.

This is straight from the ffxiv website which is still in it's original form

Blacksmiths
"Blacksmithing techniques are capable of weakening enemies constructed of metal, as well as discovering loot that would otherwise be overlooked by the untrained eye"

Miners
"In addition to their unexcelled prowress at throwing rocks, miners also use their skills to debilitate enemies with mineral compositions"

These are the kinds of comments dierctly from SE that I form my basis on. Just saying.

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What happen to linkshell companies? are we still getting our linkshell building and airship or is that out of the question now yoshi?

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Before I became producer/director, in the old 1.2 patch notes it mentioned that we will be releasing player Companies. The thing is, we realized that we could bring out player Companies, but then if there's nothing for the Companies to do there wouldn't be any reason to bring it out. We decided to reverse that and first make sure that there's going to be content and stuff for the Companies to do before releasing the Companies. The whole coming danger that's approaching Eorzea is going to play a big part in something for the Companies to do.

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Source: http://ffxiv.zam.com/story.html?story=25503

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

what are we calling it dungeon and raids? this is not WoW this is Final fantasy you could have call it something else stop trying to be like wow. At the end wow players would come join ffxiv leave and go back to wow or blizzard next gen mmo which is coming out in 2-3years.

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Because WoW totally invented instanced dungeons/raids. It's not like any game has ever done that before or that it's become somewhat of a staple of the genre, oh wait...

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

why are you even changing Hamlet Defense? it was a great idea they was no need to remake it at all.

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Checked into the status of hamlet defense battles for you all. While the details/concept won't be exactly the same after shifting to the new team, there is something similar planned. The current plan is to implement settlements for this purpose in a future patch.

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Hey Sorel, while I don't have any addition details to add at the moment, I don't think the comment that Rukkirii posted went so far as to say current hamlets won't be utilized at all. I would just take her comment at its face value and hang tight until further information is posted in the future. :)

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They haven't said anything about the new version aside from the fact that it's not the exact same thing. That doesn't mean it's an entirely different concept, they even said that something similar was planned. How about you wait until they actually give us info before whining?

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You got Tanaka's version, if they keep it you'll be the only one playing the game.

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Really? then why did i and many ppl got the game wanting tanaka version? i don't think you saw yoshi-p coming anytime soon? not if you have a time machine which you don't so sadly everyone was happy with tanaka version. just needed more time the game was only 40% done when they show it to us and gamecom was like what 60% really the game was not even done by gamecom the version player play was not even alpha version lol.


@Arcell it does not matter if wow was the one who made dungeon or raid it the matter that they could have name it something that is not main stream The idea of FFXIV is to get something away from WoW be something else don't tell me thanks to yoshi-p all we going to get is a clone version of wow now -.- oh look it's Final fantasy warcraft no thanks. FFXIV is not wow and the idea of ffxiv was so players have something else to play that is not wow.


So everyone in here is happy that FFXIV may become wow? in some way? come on FFXIV was something to get away from wow and don't tell me to go play ffxi because sadly that game is dead and wont last very long thanks to PS2 limits HDD.

i want FFXIV to be a good game that even casual can play but don't copy everything from west even the class name are copy from west which this is why i dislike tanaka one think i like from yoshi is he going to add rdm,whm,blm back into the game but everything else yoshi-p is doing i don't like it.

w/e at the end i want the game to be fun just don't make it like just to get wow players to play they just end up leaving going back to wow or blizzard new mmo which is coming out in a few years.

In all truth tanaka never got to fully realize his vision, the real problems with the game were not his vision, but the execution. Brutal and horrible lag, poorly implemented features, lack of content, bugs. As producer, this isnt really your job perse, but someone had to take the fall so they could make a strong statement that they were going to change the game, and acknowlege thier screw ups.

And yeah crafters were supposed to have a role in battle, not a large one, and they wouldnt get exp out of it, but they were supposed to serve a purpose. All in all the vision as a whole made a lot of sense, they did have some inconsistencies though that came from trying to appease the masses, and from not figuring the best way to implement some of thier systems.
See a before, a crafter does nothing negative for the party, some one not being active in combat didnt effect your sp gain, parties had high player limits, so in general adding a crafter wouldnt be a big deal. the crafter could fix your gear (which degraded faster) and theoretically give you some buffs, or debuff enemies. Main problem with this though, is why would the crafter go with you? the only exp he would get was from fixing gear, which didnt break that much, and didnt award hax exp. There are a couple of spots here and there where someone killing stuff in the area can let them gather, but that doesnt apply to disciplines of the hand.

Anyhow his vision had a lot of potential, but it never got realized. We may in fact see some of these systems in future games, better tweaked and people may love them. Fact is, too many basic problems were present on release, and most people never got to understand the systems at work because the basic bugs and miscalculations turned them off.

To me it seems as though they decided at the last minute to change direction I don't know why, only they know that. As a result they had to pull content very crudely out of the game at the last minute. The PS3 release was confirmed as being finished in Oct/Nov but they still decided to hold it back for 6 months from launch to give themselves time to get the game and systems running properly with the new direction. They new they were going to have a bad launch I just think they underestimated how bad the backlash would be.

They got panned in the reviews and they were losing players at an alarming rate, they removed the player search feature as people were publishing the rapidly declining populations on the servers. SE had to act like they were taking this seriously so Tanaka stepped down. On a side note it is not a NEW dev team it is the same one with extra staff now to help get FFXIV back on track, even Tanaka is still on the dev team.

The obvious big change they needed to make was the battle system as it would have probably worked with the original vision but they obviously don't think it will with this one. Until the battle system is done their hands are tied really as it is a huge part of the game. They also have to find new ways for crafters and gatherers to level which will probably come with Companies.

I believe SE had a lot of content ready for the game but pulled it at launch while they figured out what they were going to do and also so we didn't get 2 far ahead of the PS3 players. Also it would need readjusting and balancing for the new systems. The evidence is all around you as you wander Eorzea tunnels blocked with invisible wall's, parts of the main cities we can not access, airship's, chocobo's. These were not things that were not finished, they were things they purposely pulled to hold back.

Hopefully once the battle system is in and complete we will start to see them add content rapidly, either that or maybe they will try and hold as much as they can for the PS3 release.

Yoshi-P has played many mmos, he knows mmo lingo, i think he justs calls them dungeons/raids. I knew people who played Dark Age of Camelot and EQ who came over to FF and call nyzul a dungeon, they called bcnm a dungeon, and they'd use raid interchangeably with some endgame contents (even though I didn't agree with this one)

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Yoshi-P has played many mmos, he knows mmo lingo, i think he justs calls them dungeons/raids. I knew people who played Dark Age of Camelot and EQ who came over to FF and call nyzul a dungeon, they called bcnm a dungeon, and they'd use raid interchangeably with some endgame contents (even though I didn't agree with this one)

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What i called Dungeons was areas in the game that you not allow to use chocobo like kuftal tunnel and many dungeon areas within FFXI. I just think it better if we use a diff name for the dungeon and call "Raid" endgame. Becuase i bet not a lot of players even know what Raid stand for. i just think "Endgame" sound much cooler then saying Raids oh let's do some raids o.o.When you say Endgame it's like the Final Boss the end of your quest. Raids is more of a small party of ppl going in and killing everything

But whatever i really don't mind what they call them as long as there not like the west version of mmo like aion,rift,wow even if aion is not a west mmo it still using the west terms and play ways to make the game. Yoshi-p may have play many online games but that still don't give him enough to be a leader in making a mmo at least that what i think that just my opinion i'll see how the game be onces they fix everything and then he on his own to make up new ideas for the game maybe he can make this game much better then it is or maybe it just become a wow type game which i hoping it wont be.

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What i called Dungeons was areas in the game that you not allow to use chocobo like kuftal tunnel and many dungeon areas within FFXI. I just think it better if we use a diff name for the dungeon and call "Raid" endgame. Becuase i bet not a lot of players even know what Raid stand for. i just think "Endgame" sound much cooler then saying Raids oh let's do some raids o.o.When you say Endgame it's like the Final Boss the end of your quest. Raids is more of a small party of ppl going in and killing everything

But whatever i really don't mind what they call them as long as there not like the west version of mmo like aion,rift,wow even if aion is not a west mmo it still using the west terms and play ways to make the game. Yoshi-p may have play many online games but that still don't give him enough to be a leader in making a mmo at least that what i think that just my opinion i'll see how the game be onces they fix everything and then he on his own to make up new ideas for the game maybe he can make this game much better then it is or maybe it just become a wow type game which i hoping it wont be.

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Don't get your hopes up. Every single choice they have made over the past few months has been to make this game into WoW-FFXI as soon as possible.

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Don't get your hopes up. Every single choice they have made over the past few months has been to make this game into WoW-FFXI as soon as possible.

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And are you ok with that? are any of us here who enjoy the way ffxiv was going to be from the interview really enjoy this? The idea of final fantasy xiv was to give players something away a new from wow type games. Sadly it seem that yoshi-p is not the best guy in the world for this game and once again i lost trust for him the only thing he said i like was he going to add RDM,WHM,BLM,MNK but he thinking of a tree base system which is just like wow -.- sadly i guess i have to deal with it and play "Final Fantasy XIV Warcraft"

Thanks for contributing everyone!

Please, let's try and stay positive and optimistic as we share our opinions :)

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And are you ok with that? are any of us here who enjoy the way ffxiv was going to be from the interview really enjoy this? The idea of final fantasy xiv was to give players something away a new from wow type games. Sadly it seem that yoshi-p is not the best guy in the world for this game and once again i lost trust for him the only thing he said i like was he going to add RDM,WHM,BLM,MNK but he thinking of a tree base system which is just like wow -.- sadly i guess i have to deal with it and play "Final Fantasy XIV Warcraft"

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Of course I'm not okay with that. FFXIV had potential to succeed its predecessors. Now I doubt it's capable of even making a dent in the market. And absolutely no future content suggests otherwise.

How much more forgettable could Yoshi make FFXIV?

If they want to improve FFXIV, get rid of Guildleves. Don't get rid of active combat! The imbeciles who make these decisions deserve to be fired.

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Of course I'm not okay with that. FFXIV had potential to succeed its predecessors. Now I doubt it's capable of even making a dent in the market. And absolutely no future content suggests otherwise.

How much more forgettable could Yoshi make FFXIV?

If they want to improve FFXIV, get rid of Guildleves. Don't get rid of active combat! The imbeciles who make these decisions deserve to be fired.

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When you mean active combat you mean the fact they adding Auto attack? i agree FFXIV wont make a dent in the market and one of the reason is. SE care more about there offline games then there online. There no Time card for this game there no iphone app for this game so you can use your token without waiting 14+days for it to come by mail. There no tv ads there noting about ffxi or ffxiv anywhere i hope SE learn and do some marking outside Japan if not then everyone would be to busy playing WoW or rift. I played wow and more then 80% don't even know what ffxi or ffxiv is even Final fantasy fan don't know there online version of the game or just don't care about it.

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Many of us actually bothered to stay because we were looking forward to Player-run Companies and ships

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And you can bet your ass those are still coming - they've mentioned two different companies, Grand Companies that are NPC run and private companies that are what you're talking about but those aren't going to save the game but I admit they will be pretty cool. And you can't say anything of what you're saying with any legitimacy, since Tanaka didn't give you crap before he left and Yoshi hasn't even been given the chance. My biggest problem is they're so discrete about everything but I'd have to be an idiot to think they're just sitting there doing nothing.

I would think they will market the crap out of this game for the PS3 release there is no point in doing it now while they are still fixing it.

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I would think they will market the crap out of this game for the PS3 release there is no point in doing it now while they are still fixing it.

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Seeing how FFXI was i don't really think so the best they do just a few ads in gamestop then gamestop,ign and other website would try and give a good review but only say this game look awesome but it still lacking we give it a 6out10 because it look so awesome -.-

hands down this game wold be anywhere near RIFT or wow player base just the fact that SE does not really do much market out side usa. But then again in E3 they did have lot's of FFXIV even a big ass final fantasy when you enter so i have to agree maybe but i don't give that much hope.

at least fix the payment and give us time card and a way to pay you straight up and paypal way then others would play this game also.

I wonder if FFXIV still looking at this game as to get more older players? i remember tanaka saying that this game is aim more for the older player base but not sure about that anymore.

I think SE have to market the crap out the game at this point, they will only release the PS3 version when they think they can overturn the huge backlash from the media and critics at launch. When it is ready they will have to do a lot of marketing to get back the players they lost and bring in the new ones. The fate of the game really depends on how well they do at PS3 release as they will bill it as a relaunch of the game really.

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I think SE have to market the crap out the game at this point, they will only release the PS3 version when they think they can overturn the huge backlash from the media and critics at launch. When it is ready they will have to do a lot of marketing to get back the players they lost and bring in the new ones. The fate of the game really depends on how well they do at PS3 release as they will bill it as a relaunch of the game really.

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Very true but i wonder how long that would take i hoping that 1.18 and 1.19 bring in the new battle and class system and maybe by patch 1.20 and 1.21 this game would be up and running to a good mmo. I wonder if they thinking of releasing FFXIV for ps3 this year or maybe next year. I think they making a new pack to be release for the PS3 if not they just going to release FFXIV on the ps3 how it should have been from pc release.

I think it will be September on its 1 year anniversary. Yoshi P. said in an interview that September would be when he see new players and old players coming back to FFXIV. That to me pretty much confirms it but they aren't going to make it official until they are sure it will be ready by then as they can't afford to screw this launch up.

I am not worried about content as I believe they have loads ready to go, the evidence is all around that stuff has been pulled from the game at the last minute. I imagine they are waiting for the core mechanics to be finalised like the battle system to be put in so they can balance the content for it all at once. Then SE have 2 choices really:

1. Give us the content asap, it would create some hype and get PC players back, but they wouldn't have much to help generate more hype for the PS3 release.

2. They save as much as they can for PS3 release then show us what is coming for it and use that to generate even more hype and get PC and PS3 players into the game. If they say on PS3 launch they will put in Chocobo's, Airships, New cities (Ishgard), new missions, new quests, new gear, remove R50 level cap and so on.

I think they will go with option 2 but we shall wait and see.

At this point I personally could not care less about companies.

There are still horrible technical problems that have been in the game since release several months ago! As long as those exist, it will surely put a big damper on what they can really do as far as real content of any kind.

But at the very least, they could be more candid in regards to what they are at least considering as far as improving in-game systems goes.

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I think it will be September on its 1 year anniversary. Yoshi P. said in an interview that September would be when he see new players and old players coming back to FFXIV. That to me pretty much confirms it but they aren't going to make it official until they are sure it will be ready by then as they can't afford to screw this launch up.

I am not worried about content as I believe they have loads ready to go, the evidence is all around that stuff has been pulled from the game at the last minute. I imagine they are waiting for the core mechanics to be finalised like the battle system to be put in so they can balance the content for it all at once. Then SE have 2 choices really:

1. Give us the content asap, it would create some hype and get PC players back, but they wouldn't have much to help generate more hype for the PS3 release.

2. They save as much as they can for PS3 release then show us what is coming for it and use that to generate even more hype and get PC and PS3 players into the game. If they say on PS3 launch they will put in Chocobo's, Airships, New cities (Ishgard), new missions, new quests, new gear, remove R50 level cap and so on.

I think they will go with option 2 but we shall wait and see.

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They said Ishgard would be opening once they fix the battle system which i think it's 1.18 or 1.19 let's see if they do open it up. I hope ffxiv would get good but i not seeing much hope for now at least.

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They said Ishgard would be opening once they fix the battle system which i think it's 1.18 or 1.19 let's see if they do open it up. I hope ffxiv would get good but i not seeing much hope for now at least.

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God I hope they do, I was wandering around Coerthas the other day and it made me sad talking to all the NPC about all the Dragon attacks and stuff ; ;

Anyway, I'm pretty sure you plagiarised my thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ng-to-BE/page9

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Anyway, I'm pretty sure you plagiarised my thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ng-to-BE/page9

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Happens all the time I posted THIS earlier in another thread and then this thread popped up later.

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Firstly, crafters were not meant to fight in combat. Everyone going around saying that lately don't know what they're talking about as nobody from SE ever said anything about crafters fighting except in response to demands by players pre-release and even then they were only considering it.

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I'll just leave this here....

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post105011

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/#/game...lacksmith/role

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/#/game...and/miner/role

I want to know where people have gotten some of their information from. I'm not trying to bash anyone, but genuinely curious. People are making claims on details about Tanaka and what was planned. Details I don't recall reading in all the internet scouring I have done to get info on FFXIV. Not saying I'm perfect, I would like to see some posts by Tanaka or transcripts or something lol.

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I want to know where people have gotten some of their information from. I'm not trying to bash anyone, but genuinely curious. People are making claims on details about Tanaka and what was planned. Details I don't recall reading in all the internet scouring I have done to get info on FFXIV. Not saying I'm perfect, I would like to see some posts by Tanaka or transcripts or something lol.

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What info/sources are you after and I will try and dig them up for you. I'm about to go to bed now though but will post what I can find in the morning.

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Really? then why did i and many ppl got the game wanting tanaka version? i don't think you saw yoshi-p coming anytime soon? not if you have a time machine which you don't so sadly everyone was happy with tanaka version.

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What the heck?

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Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd

What info/sources are you after and I will try and dig them up for you. I'm about to go to bed now though but will post what I can find in the morning.

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I apparently got a couple of topics when I posted this one, I blame it on being tired ^^;

I looked back through the thread and I was only really talking about one person, Physic. I never heard some of the things Physic was talking about. Yeah, I knew that crafters and all were going to have a role in battles, but I didn't hear about some of the details that Physic was describing. Just curious where Physic heard that. Guess I should have posted all this the first time lol.

Shame on you guys for starting trouble with Obei! What's up Obei!

I have often thought of what the loss of Tanaka would mean. I find myself really down at what we lost.. then I remember things like being able to repeatedly craft a local leve without menus.. organizing the crafting leves so you don't get level 1 crafting leves as level 25... and just a general sense that the game will be an enjoyable and not have stupid barriers. Really, I wish Tanaka and Yoshi-P were like co producers.