i understand ppl's frustrations with current point system and switching classes, and how most ppl view attributes as useless, yet even if they made the Physical Level useless, i think it was a good idea to make the characters a little more 2 dimensional rather then once you set your rank that's it. we don't have race effecting our stats anymore (which i love) so we need something to give our characters a little more than set class sheets.
i think they should do point allotment per class but your physical level should determine how many points you can allot. maybe have certain set points they think are MIN REQUIRED for the job and tone down the extra points available
Getting Rid of Physical Level
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03-08-2011, 08:07 PMOverkill9000Getting Rid of Physical Level
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03-08-2011, 08:10 PMGriever
There was few options to chose on the poll..
I personally would like to keep phys level, but the stats should really MEAN.
Like DEX really affecting your accuracy/evasion, and STR really boosting your damage.
At the moment, stats just boost your HP/MP whatsoever. >.> rest is gear dependent. -
03-08-2011, 08:10 PMMedura
Big question: why are people against physical level? I thought everyone wanted more uniqueness, not less of it? ...
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03-08-2011, 08:14 PMRinsui
Because it doesn't add uniqueness, just inconvenience.
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03-08-2011, 08:16 PMOJtheLIONKing
I'm conflicted. I kinda liked the idea of Physical level and Job Rank since it reminded me of FF5 and FFT's job systems--you could have Ramza at lvl99 before you started working on your Black Mage, and it felt like the time you put in before gave you a head start in this new job.
That said, having to manually allocate points that carry across all jobs is directly counter to the Armory system's goal of freedom to choose to play what you want whenever. I like playing melee jobs so I put a lot into str/dex, but what if I want to play a mage? I'm screwed because I can only reallocate some of those points at best under the current system.
However, another issue is that despite point allocation giving the illusion of choice, in reality there is always a "right" way to allocate points in games that have this system. I would rather that my character play dependably well then having to check an outside source in order to get the right build to ensure people invite me to things. Similarly, as a party leader I want to know, for instance, that a mage I invite can put some punch behind those nukes, which is far from a guarantee with a point allocation system. -
03-08-2011, 08:18 PMMedura
Well, if attributes was fixed rather than deleted (getting rid of physical) maybe it would be some more uniqueness .. uniqueness aint only classes, but what you as a player choose to.
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03-08-2011, 08:23 PMyukikaze_yanagi
protip : people don't know what he want :P they whine on journal telling where to go because it's retard proof, but don't want experiments with stats because lazy.
Actually i feel fine with the actual sistem, but stat effect need to be more incisive, and maybe save the stat allocated for a particular job -
03-08-2011, 08:26 PMLebannenI totally agree with youQuote:
Originally Posted by Griever
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03-08-2011, 08:29 PMSephr
I personally don't like the 'head start' idea, it feels cheap and is pretty much going to cripple the experience for me if we get new jobs further down the line. I like a bit of challenge and the feeling of something being new and fresh, not being capable of personally PLing myself. And it's really not hard currently to make levelling a new job feel so trivial having previously taken 2-3 to level 15-20.
Furthermore, what's the difference between point allotment via PL or via individual classes? PL if anything limits customisation. -
03-08-2011, 08:31 PMNephera
the results of managing the statistics yourself arent terribly visible. I didnt complain about them much because you can respec pretty easily. and i'm a little annoyed that i ranked my physical level up and its going to mean nothing.
but when it comes down to it when i put points in dex/str/whatev I still REALLY dont know if its helping me all that much. -
03-08-2011, 08:32 PMHawkEXACTLY. In XI when you equipped +2 STR you saw your attack go up by one point. Today I received my +10 STR converter trait and my attack didn't go up at all. I have +10 MND conversions and, thats right, no MP bonus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griever
I love the physical level by the way. Just offer a second tree for all your disciplines. When im a DoW have one tree of stats thats for STR and VIT. When I go DoM let me have a separate tree with MND and INT. The same for DoH and DoL. Let us be the masters of each discipline. -
03-08-2011, 09:01 PMSephr
But then if you're doing that, why not just give each class their own? We don't want ALL DoW clases to want the same stats do we? Lack of customisation is boring.
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03-08-2011, 09:01 PMAbriael
I'm also in the camp of the ones that would definitely keep physical level, and I don't doubt that the majority of voters that want to remove physical level, are wow players that can't fathom that there can be a system that works equally well or better than wow's.
I'd really wish that the dev team stopped listening to those.
Physical level is there to ensure that progression in a class influences the general progression of the character, instead of having different classes just being the equivalent than logging out and logging in with an alt in wow, plus some extra skills.
I think it's extremely appropriate that people that level multiple classes are stronger physically than people that level just one, at the same level. In the end, after all, when you get to the endgame everything evens out. -
03-08-2011, 09:04 PMHawkNot necessarily. Mages can be healers or Nukers, like MND over INT. DoW can be Tanks or DPS. Stats play a big part if your playing one or the other. Not to mention a craft or a gatherer. You could pick one of each and be good at all disciplines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephr
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03-08-2011, 09:25 PMSpudrik
I always thought a combination of ffxi and ffxiv systems would work great. Have your rank dictate your base stats for example at rank 10 every MRD will have the exact same base stats with slight variations due to race. So basically your rank give auto-allocated stats.Then have you physical level allow you some bonus points to allocate to your character as you see fit. Say 1 bonus point per every 2 levels.
This would enable those at the highest level to still feel a slight benefit at all stages while also allowing for slight individuality, without leading to situations like inviting THM with full str/dex set ups. Also with most of the stats auto-allocated it should allow them to balance the system rather well. If not they can limit the bonus points to less than 1 per 2 levels until it works.