[Suggestion]Weapon Individualization Per Non-Native Skill

I'm proposing Weapon Individualization for each Non-Native Skill.

What do I mean? When using a skill not learned from the weapon currently equipped, that skill is Delivered Differently. This is already present to an extent on Conjurer and Thaumaturge in the way they case magic AOE. I'm proposing it be spread out amongst all combat Weapon Classes.

Examples.

Currently: Right now when an Archer casts a magic Spell, they stop raise their hand near their head and chant then throw the spell out. Just like Conjurer and Thaumaturge do. This is very boring to most people and as a result people claim that weapons have no difference in how they approach any task.

Proposed: When a user uses a non-native skill they adopt that skill for use with their currently equipped weapon. In the Example of Archer. The archer casts the spell onto an Arrow. The Arrow glows with the power of the spell. When they shoot the arrow it explodes with the energy of the spell when it hits the target.

Further Example. The Archer attempts to cast Cure. They cast cure onto an arrow and nock and fire it. In mid Air the arrow is replaced by a Magic Arrow that once it hits its target that target receives the effect of the Cure.

Further Example. A Marauder starts casting Fire. They hold their axe forward and chant. The Firespell enfuses into the weapon itself the Axe Head catches on fire. the Marauder swings and collides the axe head into his target and the spell explodes dealing damage.


Yes. I do understand that some abilities already have elemental attributes like Red Lotus Blade. In instances the Ability trumps the spell anyway. As a Gladiator using Red Lotus Blade should always deal more damage with that skill over the spell Fire. But if the user of these skills is pushing himself towards being a user specializing in Fire Element damage then he can use both alternating.


As for abilities like the Healing and Rebuffing, these ones can be done by using non-lethal alternatives. IE When using a Marauder and healing they strike the ground with the axe and the spell burst out from under its target.

I originally posted this in the GD but if no one ultimately hates your idea it gets wiped out in the sea of rage in there. So I should have just posted it here.

Other Examples:

Gladiator Stone Skin (Without Shield): Gladiator casts stone skin into his sword. Sword Glows with the spell. Once its ready he strikes the ground in front of him and draws a line crossing in front of him. The Spell bursts out of the ground along the line where he casted and then fade onto himself.

Gladiator Stone Skin (With Shield): Gladiator casts stone skin into his Shield, when its ready he strikes his shield with his sword the spell bursts out of the shield and then fades onto him.

Pugilist Wide Volly: Pugilist pulls his fist back charging up the skill and "Blinks" mirror images of himself bursting forward and striking all valid targets, he then returns back to his normal stance.

Lancer Wide Volly: Lancer throws his spear up into the air and it falls from the sky multiple times, striking all valid targets with one spear landing in front of him to pick back up.

Very nice examples. +1

No one else has any input on this? XD

Bringing this back up because I feel its still a valid and potentially awesome idea.

An awesome idea and I would love to have it implemented. Sadly though that would mean revises the skill animation for each specific class and each specific race for every skill and I don't believe SE would do it.( Yes its me of little faith again lol)

in addition to that like you said it would be awesome if certain non-native spells became something different when used by a DOW, or have different side effects perhaps, you can make things more job-like and logical. But atm i bet SE is still busy fixing the current skills/looks and also the battlesystem as a whole. So we might have to wait for the battlesystem changes/jobsystem changes to go live, and see what is left from the current system.

The system atm where everyone can do almost everything in just the same way with same (just not that strong) effects is an easy and boring solution. So the ideas of giving other animations, AND other effects would be awesome.

It would change the system and make it more complex but why not having "fire" set on a DD increase his str. for a bit and add fire dmg, so the offensive spell turns into an enchantment (just an example). That would make the system more fun, one could try a lot of combinations and they could be more then a "low-lvl-copy" of the native spell, they could change in animation and functionality. I would love that.

The quickening ability on glad could make him block better and faster for a short time... and so on.

So make every ability change with the jobs to a certain degree. That would make
1) way for even better customisation
2) improve the job but not taking away its uniqueness, it would even strengthen the uniqueness
3) would make more abilites useful to use on another character since they improve the job but not giving him the exact ability from another job. Fire on Marauder is useless but if that system changes, Fire can be a nice addition. Elemental resistances or buffs could be put on melee characters etc. etc.

It's a cool concept, but you're asking the dev team to design unique animations for every spell for every class? Not gonna happen. =| Art is just too expensive. Maybe if there was an easier way, sure.

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Originally Posted by Ava

It's a cool concept, but you're asking the dev team to design unique animations for every spell for every class? Not gonna happen. =| Art is just too expensive. Maybe if there was an easier way, sure.

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Not "Every Spell" But just like Every job in FFXI has a different way of casting its magic (Blue, vs White, vs Black, vs Summoning, etc.)

The way a Marauder casts a spell would be different from how a Pugilist Does.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Not "Every Spell" But just like Every job in FFXI has a different way of casting its magic (Blue, vs White, vs Black, vs Summoning, etc.)

The way a Marauder casts a spell would be different from how a Pugilist Does.

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Everyone can equip any spell, they'd have to create an animation for each element, a "support" animation, an "attack" animation, and do this for all of the classes due to unique weapons for them all. In addition, down the line if/when they add new jobs with new classes of magic this problem would compound on itself. Not to mention they'd have to port all of it to a second platform (PS3) which may or may not even be able to handle it.

Some animations don't need to be that different between races. And most of the implementation I'm asking for doesn't actually need a new animation just a rehash of a current animation with new graphic overlay elements.

Like An archer casting Black Magic.

Show the Critical Hit animation up till the string is pulled all the way back, Once the string is let go a flaming arrow graphic shoots from the bow. Etc.

In theory, yes, that's perfect.
But take a look at how long it took SE just to *enlarge* spell effect,
I guess making new animations would take the rest of this millenium (which has only just started).

Yes - I can't imagine anyone being against this idea. It's a great idea! The bigger issue is where to prioritize it on the never ending list of stuff to be fixed and improved.

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Originally Posted by Ava

Everyone can equip any spell, they'd have to create an animation for each element, a "support" animation, an "attack" animation, and do this for all of the classes due to unique weapons for them all. In addition, down the line if/when they add new jobs with new classes of magic this problem would compound on itself. Not to mention they'd have to port all of it to a second platform (PS3) which may or may not even be able to handle it.

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Kinda were my thoughts. I just don't see it happening in a cost related aspect rather than a good idea. I don't think anyone is in disagreement that this would be a much better way of animating casting and actions. I just don't see SE dishing out the time, money, and effort to make it happen with their full plate of stuff waiting to be adjusted/fixed. Its alot of work.

I was thinking about your idea today, and I have some questions/concerns.

- I personally think shooting a healing arrow is much more aesthetically pleasing than summoning a pink blob on the target. Are you concerned that people may be upset to find animations looking better when used on non-native weapons?

-Again to the Archer shooting a healing arrow. Archers have larger range than casters, could that be used as an exploit in certain encounters or would it be reduced to the range of a conjurer casting it?

-You mentioned a gladiator drawing a circle on the ground for stoneskin. What if he has a dagger equipped? Would they implement animations for every weapon subset? (Sword/Dagger Wand/Staff)

-What are your ideas on magic classes using Disciple of War weapon skills/abilities? How do you envision their unique animations coming from a wand or staff equivalent? (Doomspike/Skull Sunder with a wand)

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Originally Posted by Nikita

I was thinking about your idea today, and I have some questions/concerns.

- I personally think shooting a healing arrow is much more aesthetically pleasing than summoning a pink blob on the target. Are you concerned that people may be upset to find animations looking better when used on non-native weapons?

-Again to the Archer shooting a healing arrow. Archers have larger range than casters, could that be used as an exploit in certain encounters or would it be reduced to the range of a conjurer casting it?

-You mentioned a gladiator drawing a circle on the ground for stoneskin. What if he has a dagger equipped? Would they implement animations for every weapon subset? (Sword/Dagger Wand/Staff)

-What are your ideas on magic classes using Disciple of War weapon skills/abilities? How do you envision their unique animations coming from a wand or staff equivalent? (Doomspike/Skull Sunder with a wand)

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They might find them more "Exciting" but in reality the Archer still can not cast the spell as an AOE. and no the range would be the same as the spell, maybe lower.


"Drawing a line in the sand" doesn't mean the weapon touches the ground just that he crosses his sword in front of him and the ground lights up with the spell where the tip of his sword pointed, so even if you used it with a dagger it would just "appear" on the ground where the tip pointed even if not touching.

As for Mages using Physical attacks. I'd imagine them acting something like Nier. Specifically Doomspike could look like the spell where a spear of energy forms behind the user then flys forward striking the enemy.