I'm not good with computers, I'm horrible at this whole tech-y thing, and I know FF is very graphically demanding. I'd like to play FF with the best graphics possible but currently I'm at 15-30 FPS since I started. (Lowest for crowded cities/sanctuaries/fates). I want a computer that can run FF well. It's about time I upgraded my computer anyways.
Windows 7 32 Bit
Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5300 @ 2.60GHz
Video: Nvida GeForce 9800 GT
RAM: 4GB, 2 sticks of 2GB, 3.50 at max. Though I don't think I'm running on 3.50 GB ram. Does RAM get depleted over time? My comp seems slower lately.
Motherboard: Asus P5KPL SE
While I run final fantasy, I open up task manager and go to performance, the "CPU usage" meter isn't very high, it's pretty normal, sometimes spiking up to 80-90% but it mostly stays on 50%, Same thing for the "memory" meter, it rises up while running final fantasy, leaving only 1.3GB of memory usage left. Tho for some reason when I ran the benchmark thing and checked the cpu usage it was like at the limit.
Idk what's going on with my computer but some insight would be nice so I could forward it to the tech place, most likely gonna have to buy a lot of new parts. This comp is about 4 years old (2009). And I don't think JUST buying a new video card, the one recommended on the FF page will help.
Money isn't a problem but I don't think I'm gonna spend a lot on state of the end parts JUST for FF, when I can run games that I usually play a lot like League of Legends on 60 fps perfectly fine.
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09-05-2013, 02:39 PMPrinceyLow FPS in game. Rate my comp specs and tell me what I need to upgrade. Tech pro pls
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09-05-2013, 02:58 PMFaelart
New motherboard, cpu graphics card and memory.
Graphics card is your best upgrade but your mainboard is old as is your processor being severely outdated -
09-05-2013, 03:28 PMDF1985
Yeah buddy start again.
Considering the pricing on 3rd gen i5's now. 3570k / z77 board / 16gig ddr3 / maybe a 660 or equivalent Nvidia card.
You cant really update without doing everything. Socket 775 is dead, DDR2 is dead. 64bit. GO! -
09-05-2013, 03:29 PMGonzothegreat198
It also depends on what your budget is. If you dont have a big budget i'd look at upgrading the processor to a Core 2 quad, possibly the OS to the 64 bit version, then increase the memory to 6GB. Update your graphics card to 560 or higher, and also look into getting a sound card. I know it may not sound important, but the sound card can actually help take some of the load off your cpu when it comes to the sound output.
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09-05-2013, 03:32 PMGonzothegreat198Wish i had your kind of budget. I'm running on a Core 2 Duo myself, the 6600 conroe, gnna be upgrading to the Q9450 next pay hopefully, and adding in a Sounblaster titanium. Past that, don't really got the money for a full upgrade to i5/7 architecture at this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by DF1985
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09-05-2013, 03:34 PMSuicideangel
I think you might want to just invest in a new rig.
I run max on 1080p
Asus sabertooth 990fx
Amd 8350 fx 8 core @ 4.8 ghrz
Amd 7970 graphics card
4gigs of DDR3 ram @1900mhrz
Idk what my frame rates are but I usually stream 1080 on twitch.tv,
All I can say is in fate battles with around 50 people spamming stuff the game still runs pretty smooth -
09-05-2013, 03:37 PMLotuslo
Sorry to be the bear of bad news but the board you have won't be able to upgrade to a decent CPU. Wtih that being said, you will need to build a new PC . You can build a decent rig stretching your dollar for around 1200. Good luck
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09-05-2013, 03:48 PMMugen_Vtec
Yep. Time for an upgrade. Your CPU is outdated, so you'll need the recent i5 or i7 cpus, might as go with haswell now since they're just out. Graphics card needs an update too. Might as well get 8gb of ram while you're at it. Don't know what your PSU is rated at, but if you get a decent graphics card, it'll need a minimum of 500W PSU. And yes, all on top of a new motherboard.
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09-05-2013, 03:51 PMLotusloI didn't read all the comments till now, And don't listen to this guy!! No offense but if you don't know what your talking about please keep it to yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gonzothegreat198
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09-05-2013, 03:56 PMMugen_VtecYeah, right? Upgrading to a Core 2 quad?? That's severely outdated. 6bg? who does that? And sound card? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Lotuslo
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09-05-2013, 04:02 PMMugen_Vtec
Well, I can give you a general price of a decent mid-end gaming build:
CPU approx $300 depending on which one you get i5, i7 vs. i5, i7 haswell
Motherboard: approx $100 depending on the model
Ram: 8gb approx $50-60
Graphics card: a nice decent one will run you approx $250-300
PSU (assuming you need to upgrade) approx $50
And if you want to add a bigger CPU cooler than the stock ones, or a new case(to have enough room for the graphics card)..fans, etc. That can add up. -
09-05-2013, 04:04 PMGonzothegreat198Yes let's listen to you guys, i'm so glad that you have the money to fully upgrade to i5/i7. Trust me if I had that kind of money I would. I upgrade what I can, when I can and to what I can. If you feel it's wrong tough shit. Oh and in regards to the sound card, maybe you should actually do your research. A dedicated soundcard will reduce the cpu load of sound generation drastically while providing a much better sound quality and rendering than any onboard sound will ever do. I know exactly what I'm talking about and could give a flying fuck if you think I do or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotuslo
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09-05-2013, 04:07 PMMugen_Vtec
Well, what I know is that the load isn't huge on the cpu for the sound...unless of course, the cpu itself is weak to being with.
Plus, the OP said that money isn't a issue, so...better to go with the most recent line of CPUs than an outdated one as a recommendation amiright? -
09-05-2013, 04:12 PMLotusloBlind leading the blind its great. You give the worst advice. Yea I understand some people don't have the money to upgrade. But you have no logic in what you say. Instead of being a total jack ass and giving him completely stupid reason to just upgrade to a shitty processor and go 6 GB DDR2. Worst fucking advice ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gonzothegreat198
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09-05-2013, 04:16 PMMugen_Vtec
^ So true, it would be pointless because he would have to upgrade again rather soon.
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09-05-2013, 04:32 PMGonzothegreat198If you take a look, he added that in later...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen_Vtec
With money not being an issue this is what i'd recommend:
BenQ 24” LED Monitor
Corsair PSU HX 1050 Watt
Corsair Vengeance Memory 16GB
GeForce GTX 680 4GB
ASUS Maximus VI Formula
Intel Core i7-4770K
LG 24x Internal DVD Burner
Windows 8 Pro
Seagate Momentus XT 750GB 7200RPM
Thermaltake Chaser MK-I
Samsung 840 250GB
Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme
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09-05-2013, 04:40 PMMugen_Vtec
Looks good to me. Although maybe he can invest in a GTX Titan if he really wanted to go all out, lol.
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09-05-2013, 04:43 PMGonzothegreat198that's my economical wish list. I have another one that includes dual titans and a few items that are sitting on the optional spreadsheet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen_Vtec
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09-05-2013, 06:34 PMSuicideangel
Not trying to start a rage, but just saying seeing how I'm the only person who has posted a amd system.
Nothing against intel and I will admit you will get higher frame rates with a
Intel system but not by much.
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09-05-2013, 06:42 PMKingXRayrecommending you to build a new PC...coz your old PC need to change all specs anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Princey
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09-05-2013, 07:48 PMTheFirstKel
Reroll your PC.
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09-05-2013, 08:11 PMPrincey
Very much appreciated, thank you ALL for the help. Especially Mugen_Vtec for setting the price ranges. Writing all this information down and learning a bit more about computers while I'm at it. Had no idea what a processor or even a motherboard was, and apparently I have shitty ones (at the time when I bought this computer in 2009 I thought I had like the BEST computer). I guess I can't "upgrade" (don't even know how you even upgrade) and I have to buy actual new parts for everything. Though all of this is very confusing and I'm not sure what the difference between a Pentium (R) thing that I have and the intel 5 you guys are recommending.
Thank you all, again. You're all life-savers. -
09-05-2013, 08:11 PMEsmeOk, you guys are a great help, but frankly if he's not good with computers, do you really think that you should be suggesting he build one from scratch? There's a lot that can go wrong, components can DOA and he might not have a clue and spend more money and frustration going that route, I don't know you but if you're not good with this kind of thing, it's best to avoid it or start small with easy to replace components. If there's a good reputable computer service store or custom builder around that will build the computer for you, that's the best bet.Quote:
I'm not good with computers, I'm horrible at this whole tech-y thing, and I know FF is very graphically demanding. I'd like to play FF with the best graphics possible but currently I'm at 15-30 FPS since I started. (Lowest for crowded cities/sanctuaries/fates). I want a computer that can run FF well. It's about time I upgraded my computer anyways.
Otherwise, my suggestion, if budget is not an issue is shop around on sites like NewEgg, Microcenter, TigerDirect, etc and focus on computers that are spec'd for gaming. NewEgg is nice because you can put in what you want to do, and how much you want to spend in range of money, and then it will let you see what other people have said about the machine.
You could also go with a custom build from the big gaming rig makers out there, Alienware (which is owned by Dell), Dell themselves, iBuyPower, CyberPower, Velocity Micro, etc.
Things to look for - type of graphics card is key, so look for the best bang on whichever builds you get, DDR5, 2GB at minimum. The graphics card is also generally easy to upgrade, assuming the power supply is adequate to support it.
RAM is the easiest thing for a non-tech person to upgrade generally but try and make sure to get 16 GB.
Quad core processor is a must, but more processor cores will help you in the future most likely -
09-05-2013, 08:20 PMAstralen
As many have said already it's pointless to upgrade your CPU or graphics card on your current, outdated platform. The best thing you can do is to buy a new computer with the latest parts. A mid-end computer should not cost you more than ~700€. A high-end would begin at €1100 and a monster will probably cost you 1700€ and beyond :)
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09-05-2013, 08:33 PMKumaSempai
You should upgrade your hardware.
First, if you had a short budget, change you're graphic card for a current GC like GTX650/650ti.
Second, if you can afford a full upgrade, an Intel i5 update given by DF1985 is great, but 8Gig DDR3 RAM will be more reasonable. You also could switch to an Intel i3 3220 /h77 MB/8Gb RAM DDR3 RAM + GTX 660 that is more affordable but less evolutive, MB et Processor have no overclocking function or only small capability. -
09-05-2013, 09:33 PMseekerofpower
Since you don't know a lot about computers, I would not suggest you upgrading your own. If you want the best custom PCs and cost is not an issue go here: http://www.falcon-nw.com/
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09-05-2013, 09:50 PMAstralenI would really not recommend an i3 3220, its not a gaming CPU whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by KumaSempai
I'd go for an i5 4670K, a mobo with the Z87 chipset, 12GB RAM and a GTX 760 :) -
09-05-2013, 11:13 PMLoiiI built my own computer a few months ago I didn't know anything about it. But it is really an easy process once you buy the hardware. I heavily recommend newegg.com. Plus there are a lot of resources out there to help someone build a computer. Newegg makes videos and has them on youtube on how to build them and they are very detailed and helpful. Plus building from scratch makes it way easier to upgrade in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Esme
That being said I would recommend an i5 processor because in my opinion and research they are great for gaming and are very quick. I like amd videocards so go with one in the 7000 series if you can I run with a 7870 on 1080 and I have 60 FPS. Try for at least 8 gigs of ram. A power supply you want something reliable anything in the $80-$150 would work well, try to get over 600 watts. If you do build one an decide to go with an i5 find a motherboard that has a 1155 socket set.
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09-05-2013, 11:26 PMkevindargieQuote:
Originally Posted by Gonzothegreat198
What you are saying is HALF true depending on the system specs. If you look at the available brands of sound cards compared to 10 years ago you'll understand why sound cards are GONERS. The CPU's of today are PLENTY MORE than capable of handling sound without even touching 1% utilization on the CPU. I am a moderator on overclockers.com and am an avid desktop / server builder along with overclocking all of my systems.
Also, OP there is no need to spend more than $1000 on a new rig to be able to play this game very very smoothly, as long as you are purchasing NVidia setup with an i5 quad core (haswells just came out) you will never dip in FPS on this game. The reason I say a i5 is because you want to invest the money in a GPU when it comes to gaming and fall back on something less for a CPU. It only takes me a few months to save for a rig and if you have any credit there are plenty of custom builder sites that do financing. I personally recommend IBUYPOWER.com. I had a personal tour with the staff from them at the their facilities and despite what people say about them they are really good at what they do (everyone makes mistakes once in awhile) but their support is great too. -
09-05-2013, 11:49 PMFuFiNQuote:
Originally Posted by Princey
cpu = i5 3570k
board= an z77 of your preference
ram= 2x4 8gb ddr3 1600 mhz or 2x8 16gb ddr3 1600mhz of your preference.
GPU/VGA: test it with your actual gpu, and please wait the release of the new brand of amd radeon cards. rumos october xD
sory for my english but Im from argentina. but i think that i know something of hardware.
intel cpu is the best for mmorpgs. i dont test the new brand of amd processors but in the last years was that.
check your power suply if can reach the power i dont know here.
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09-06-2013, 12:09 AMMugen_Vtec
No prob! You can go here: http://pcpartpicker.com/ once you select a CPU, they'll match up the compatible motherboard, ram, etc for you. As for other people saying that you shouldn't build one from scratch since you're kind of new with all this..I say go ahead. You have to start somewhere, sometime. Those premade OEM computers are generally crap, and overpriced. Youtube has really good videos as to how to build a computer. It really isn't that hard, pretty much it's bolt on, and plug and play. Well, the difference with the CPUs right now is the number of cores. The i5s have 4 physical cores, and the i7s have 8 cores (although 4 of the come from hyperthreading, so you still have 4 physical cores). People say there's not much of a difference between the two in gaming since games do not use hyper threading as of now. And that people generally go for the i7s for photoediting/video editing. So up to you as to what kind of cpu you want. They're both more than capable.
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09-06-2013, 12:21 AMAstralenI would like to add that the sound quality of on-board sound chips is sub-par to real sound cards like Asus Xonar or the new Creative cards. This is probably the reason why big companies like Gigabyte started to launch motherboards (G1.Sniper 5) with high quality chips by Creative.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevindargie
I disagree unless OP is running the game in low resolutions or wants to use lower in-game detail settings. In my opinion he should at least go for a 660Ti or better. Why not put a little bit more money now instead of upgrading later.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuFiN
True that the Volcanic Island series by AMD will be launched in conjunction with the release of BF4 in October but we're not sure about the pricing, the state of the drivers and so forth. I'm sure that AMD will go a good job this time with the drivers but if OP just wants to play now instead of in 1½ months, I'd go for nVidia. Hell, lets not choose sides here, an AMD 7970 are quite cheap and have 3GB VRAM which is quite nice while playing in high resolutions and using any form of AA. -
09-06-2013, 01:21 AMryan92084
Best bang for your buck will be a new graphics card but you won't get full performance out of it without replacing the cpu which requires a new motherboard.