Increasing Guildhests EXP gain. Sound idea?

There's no doubt that doing a Guildhest the first time gives you insane about of EXP but...what about every other time? They give you far less than what Guildleves of the same level offer up. Then again I'm only level 27 (as of this post) so I'm not entirely sure what it's like the rest of the way, but would increasing the base EXP you gain from a Guildhest be a good idea (trading off some of the EXP you gain from doing it the first time) or am I missing something?

After all, with a Guildhest you're doing it with a party, as opposed to a Guildleve which you (normally) do by yourself. It would make sense for Guildheists to offer up more EXP than the typical Guildleve.

Thoughts? Yay? Nay? I'm a moron?

I think it's a good idea. It requires more work than a leve does so it should reward more. Plus, if they're put there to teach about game mechanics, it would be a good idea to make it worth people's time. Otherwise, repeated attempts at a dungeon boss would be better because there's a better reward for whenever you figure it out (loot). Fates give similar exp but go much faster and take less effort.
I loved the hest with the bomb queen and ran that many times for fun but the exp just wasn't cutting it. I can be more productive with just about anything else.

Absolutely. Either the exp or gil reward needs to be increased. After the initial bonus, repeating them is not efficient for any reason. They take too long for the amount of exp they reward if its not new and the gil reward is pitiful too. And the higher level ones are somewhat complicated making them really unappealing to repeat.

I'd agree, not just for guildhests, but nearly all instanced content. With most of it being added for leveling it just doesn't cut it when you can spam fates. Dungeons provide the added benifit of loot, much of which is untradable/sellable but if you want to use it for more than one job it's great to get. Guildhests offer nothing in return for the added challenge, less exp, no loot, no bonus gil to speak of, and you will likely spend more time waiting to get them, and spend longer in them than doing fates.
The end result is that they simply won't get done much at all, really nothing but fates will for exp purposes. I mean who can compare "You gain 30315 (+50%) arcanist experience points." for a single level 38 fate to what you get from anything else of equal level. A fate that takes about 10 minutes.

I do recall someone on the forums suggesting that Guildhests receive a daily or weekly completion bonus after the initial bonus. It would be less than what you get the first time, of course, but would be well worth considering. It wouldn't be too problematic for experienced and organized players since they can breeze through them. Other players who aren't so inclined to the mechanics of MMO group play would have a reason to keep doing these while learning or practicing their group play. And because the reward wouldn't be repeatable multiple times in a day, it wouldn't feel like a grind (like FATES).

I find these encounter to be rather fun, and would love to see lots more of them. However, I doubt they will be made more profitable simply because they do not consume a leve allowance. I was testing the lvl 25 one with the goblins just a bit ago on my off class. It's fast, fun, profitable already AND can be repeated as many times as you want.

Each run with my lvl 28 was netting me about 150 gil AFTER repairs, and only took roughly 5 minutes to finish. Sadly, they apparently stop at lvl 40 after an 8 man version. Here's hoping they add more! It would be very nice to have a lvl 50 4-man boss fight that was profitable, even if it was only a few hundred gil per run.

But guys, there is an achievement for doing 10,000 Guildhests! That makes it worth it right there! /end sarcasm

I agree, there needs to be a daily bonus of XP and Gil for these. Maybe even GC seals.

EXP and gil reward needs to be increased I see no reason why you shouldent be able to use leves and behests as a gil and exp source when your not interested in fate farming. right now there so low it's a waste of time except for the bit of gear you get now and then.

im using guildhests to level CNJ as main class is MRD. After first time it is very slow and levequest are combat not healing so guildhests are better. So i would like to see EXP increased a bit. lvl 10 gives me 600-850 perhaps up that to 900-1100 would be good.
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I have an idea

-Guildhests should reward every class for the first time.!! It's a good idea.

An excellent idea. A lot of players are going to struggle to find a group for them as time goes on, so adding a reasonable bonus for players who have already completed a specific guildhest will increase the pool of players queuing for them.

They definitely need something added to them. They give less EXP than FATEs do and are typically harder and take longer to complete. Either increased EXP/gil rewards or boss drops/coffer or maybe some special currency used to buy special items. Right now they just aren't worth the effort to repeat.

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Originally Posted by dark0past

I have an idea

-Guildhests should reward every class for the first time.!! It's a good idea.

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This is what should happen, yes. At the very least it needs to be every time you sign up as a different role. The mechanics you learn doing them as a Tank aren't going to be picked up from playing as DPS.

At level 30, I can agree, don't know for later. Guildleves and Guildhests give a pitiful amount when you keep in mind that over 150k+ XP is required for a level. This, or they should add items that give a better XP boost rate than 3%.

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Originally Posted by dark0past

I have an idea

-Guildhests should reward every class for the first time.!! It's a good idea.

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^^ This...
Or, keep the exp as it is, but increase the gil reward based on guildhest level.
Something like 500g for 1st one up to maybe 10k for last one....

Guildhests are completely broken IMO (unless you have a pre-formed party).

There needs to be a good reason to re-run these, so the que isn't a complete obstacle, it's worth it, and players get better at them.

I got to 30 recently, but waited unitl I got some new spells and gear before queueing the 30 guildhest (I think dungeons and guildhests are noticably more difficult at 30). The first time I ran "More than a feeler" the dps didn't understand the bubbles, and we died... the slimes dont go away, so we had to abandon.... so a 30 minute wait wasted. I amde my second group wait, and explained it to them thoroughly, and we succeeded. Then I did the second level 30 guildhest.. only this time the tank ditched a second after the pull. So now I've spend 90 minutes in que for one success. I'm sure it's worse for DPS. I usually que both a dungeon and guildhest - the dungeon has always popped first... so I have to que for just a guildhest if I want to run it.

Actually, they could just allow you to get the bonus once a day and it would be kinda cool - they would be worth doing, but not spam doing for leveling (like fates are now).

Guildhests are horribly underutilized. They really have a lot of potential.

agreed, fates give more exp while guildhests are much more effort

The idea of mini-instances that focus on a single gimmick and act simultaneously as a way to experiment with fun mechanics and teach people how to deal with stuff is a brilliant idea.

The fact that they're basically worthless after the first run is a huge shame because they really are cool... and it makes it much harder for new players to run them simply because there's so little reason for anyone else to do it either.

I agree with giving Guildhests a reason to be done more often, especially since they're a great way to get people to learn their class and be comfortable with what is expected of their roles in a group.

When players who decide to skip content and just FATE grind to 50 reach it, do you honestly expect their level of game play to be on par with people who have been doing dungeons and Hests? There's no way you're going to learn much of anything about your class in a FATE, especially as a healer or tank.

GuildHests are, logically, what should be spammed to level if we're going to have such a system in the game at all. Especially since they have nothing to do with the game, lore wise, aside from tasks given to you by random trainers you never see again.