Fix controller targeting now.

Targeting needs to be the #1 priority.

I find that I am not willing to struggle to play a game.

/target npc should target the nearest mob, not the mob nearest to the center of your screen.

Or implement a "/target nnpc" for the actual closest mob.

I don't want to use macros to heal specific members. Macros are not reliable, perhaps because of server-side authentication. I want to cue my Cure spell then select them from the party list using UP/DOWN on the D-pad.

The squeekiest wheel gets the grease, right? So I can't just stop repeating myself.

The problem I see is that the players who won't play FFXIV because the targeting sucks have just moved on. They don't care if FFXIV lives or dies. The only players left playing are just determined to have fun playing FFXIV. They have accepted the crap targeting system long ago.

For those that have already given up on having a real targeting system and are willing to just play a sub-par game, I'm sure that content is more important.

I clearly don't speak for the majority of players or there would be "targeting is crap" threads all time (Oh, wait). But I do speak for 100% of PS3 players who will be forced to use a controller.

We need a functional /assist command.

I won't be playing FFXIV until this is fixed. It's not fun.

None of my party members are going to die because I can't target them fast enough. I will never aggro a monster that I did not intend to (or stand there motionless toggling through mobs during battle) because of a sub-par targeting system.

There is already a quite decent topic on this subject.

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Originally Posted by Jamel-Irief

There is already a quite decent topic on this subject.

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Can you not do that please?

If he had necro'd one of the older posts some other jerk would have flogged him for it.

With no good options, let him do what he wants. Your advice is not helpful, he didn't want to learn. He wanted to express his already overly expressed opinions in his own voice.

He even acknowledges in his OP that complaints about targeting are dime a dozen.

P.S. Don't be a grumple dumple.

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Originally Posted by Commat

If he had necro'd one of the older posts some other jerk would have flogged him for it.

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I was just pointing out there already was another topic, another place where people feel the same way as him. Smashington went to that topic an posted. And it wasn't "necroing" an old post - the other topic was made today!

Don't be a grumple dumple yourself.

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Originally Posted by Jamel-Irief

Don't be a grumple dumple yourself.

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Sorry, sir. =(

I honestly still don't see why people are whining so much about the targeting with a gamepad.

If you're support use Targeting Mode A (up/down = party, left/right = all)

If you're killing things use Targeting Mode B set on Enemy. Worst that will happen is you'll have to hit left or right an extra time if it doesn't immediately target the engaged enemy.

If you go back and forth then use Targeting Mode B and switch between Party and Enemy.

The only thing I could see needing a touch up is prioritizing the engaged enemy group when using the Enemy setting.

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Originally Posted by Smashington

/target npc should target the nearest mob, not the mob nearest to the center of your screen.

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This is my one and only complaint. "Target nearest NPC" means nearest to your character, NOT nearest to where the game's camera is pointed.

I also agree about the need for an /assist command, but SE has said we will be getting that eventually.

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Originally Posted by Jamel-Irief

I was just pointing out there already was another topic, another place where people feel the same way as him. Smashington went to that topic an posted. And it wasn't "necroing" an old post - the other topic was made today!

Don't be a grumple dumple yourself.

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You are both quite right. I could have gone either way. I've also posted this is the correct place (feedback, with the template and Dev tags) so often that I now get an "other threads on this topic" message from the Community Reps.

Don't care. I'll throw a fit and let my intenet-cred die. Why do I care about my reputation in a game that doesn't work?

The next-gen FF MMO that I have been waiting for my entire life is dying before my eyes and the Dev team doesn't have their priorities straight!

Targeting. #1. It's a basic.

If you don't have a good targeting system, freaking patch it in the first week! If your fix doesn't work, fix it again.

I don't give a crap about content in a game that doesn't have basic functionality. I can't suggest my friends come play FFXIV when the targeting is a frustrating mess. I can't enjoy new content. Should I stumble through it hoping targeting will improve someday? No, thanks.

Let every thread on the front page be about Targeting.

i agree they should work on this and bring it with the battle changes.

Targeting via keyboard is even more annoying. The worst is when I'm at the leve counter, there's just me and the two NPCs behind the counter, I'm standing at the right side of the counter and press f8 only to have the lefternmost npc hilighted. Or during behest when I spend a good 60 seconds pressing f8 trying to target a behest mob, only to have mobs not even part of the Behest that are 70 yalms away hilighted instead of the one right infront of me.... over... and over.... and over... I honestly have better luck targeting using the mouse which brings me to my next point, FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON I have the option of customizing my UI in the middle of a battle. So instead of targeting a mob i am customizing where the little window for status icons goes. In my opinion, we should only be able to customize the UI through the menu, that way users playing with a mouse have more space on the monitor available for targeting..

Since we're on the topic of targeting.. we have f1 to f12... BUT we can only target p1 to p6 using the f buttons (even this feature fails so hard that I just use my mouse now) and f8 is for targeting mobs, even though the party cap is 8 person now, not 15! This should be a non-issue, just make f9 the new target mob/npc button. Also, during behest, why is it that when I press f8, the targeting allways goes past Behest mobs and targets the battle warden (ive nearly been killed or accidentally resigned from behest quite a few times). Wouldn't it make sence to have mobs take priority over NPCs??

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Originally Posted by Smashington

The next-gen FF MMO that I have been waiting for my entire life is dying before my eyes and the Dev team doesn't have their priorities straight!

Targeting. #1. It's a basic.

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I kinda feel the same about the game. But not because of the same reasons. I really do think they are trying. I am, however, really hoping they do improve the targeting as you have mentioned.

They should limit the targetting range. I use the gamepad and I keep targetting things that aren't even within my reach. its annoying as hell.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

They should limit the targetting range. I use the gamepad and I keep targetting things that aren't even within my reach. its annoying as hell.

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Targetting stuff that's out of range is something you'll find in every MMORPG. It may not seem like it, but you would hate it if it wasn't there. Bottom line there is if you can see it on your screen, you should be able to target it.

What we DO need is smarter targeting. Prioritize levequest targets, claimed enemies, and party members. Make target selection based on field of vision of the character instead of the game camera.

And, slightly related but just as important, give us some kind of visual cue to let us know when the enemy is within attack range (e.g. buttons on the action bar darkened if they cannot be used). I'm bolding this for emphasis because it is a simple thing to implement, and it would make a HUGE improvement in the battle mechanics. The buttons are already darkened when an ability is in cool-down, or when we don't have enough TP. Why not also darken them when an enemy is outside an ability's area of effect? Or those Pugilist abilities that can only be executed after an attack is evaded?

You know, I think I'm gonna post a new thread right now. ^_^

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Originally Posted by Smashington

Targeting needs to be the #1 priority.

I find that I am not willing to struggle to play a game.

None of my party members are going to die because I can't target them fast enough. I will never aggro a monster that I did not intend to (or stand there motionless toggling through mobs during battle) because of a sub-par targeting system.

/target npc should target the nearest mob, not the mob nearest to the center of your screen.

I don't want to use macros to heal specific members. Macros are not reliable, perhaps because of server-side authentication. I want to cue my Cure spell then select them from the party list using UP/DOWN on the D-pad.

The squeekiest wheel gets the grease, right? So I can't just stop repeating myself.

The problem I see is that the players who won't play FFXIV because the targeting sucks have just moved on. They don't care if FFXIV lives or dies. The only players left playing are just determined to have fun playing FFXIV. They have accepted the crap targeting system long ago.

For those that have already given up on having a real targeting system and are willing to just play a sub-par game, I'm sure that content is more important.

I clearly don't speak for the majority of players or there would be "targeting is crap" threads all time (Oh, wait). But I do speak for 100% of PS3 players who will be forced to use a controller.

We need a functional /assist command.

I won't be playing FFXIV until this is fixed. It's not fun.

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Did you know you CAN use the Up/Down to target party members? For heals, buffs and ect.. The targeting is so easy and simple to use. When was the last time you played the game? To use the Up/Down taget anything with your spell and use the up/down to go through the party list. Simple and easy, Well i guess not easy for everyone.

To be fair that's only in Targeting Mode A (the default mode though >.>). I don't know how many people actually know there are two distinct targeting modes, with B having the sub-modes within it.

I agree with the OP. Please, please, fix targetting!

Assist should be of paramount priority right now! I would also like to ask for the return of the <bt>, <lastst>, <stnpc>, <stpc> and the addition of <stfoe> or equivalent. Treating NPCs and enemy mobs as a single category makes no sense.

Also, as it stands after patch 1.17, gamepad targetting still needs one more fix: Although the UP and DOWN arrows now do cycle party members in the party frame order, the corresponding member lacks adequate highlighting on said party frame. This causes the need to keep your eyes on the TARGET frame, as it cycles from member to member, a frankly undesirable distraction. I can't begin to tell you the amount of accidental aggro I have caught since the patch went live. If I want to be mindful both of my party-mates HP levels, and of targeting them quickly so that they can be cured in a timely fashion, then I can't afford to mind my surroundings.

Highlight the party member that is being subtargetted after the spell has been selected, please!

The issue with the Function keys is also overdue for a fix. It made sense to reserve keys for other purposes when parties were 15 members, but with 8, there're more than enough to assign one key per party member. Either F9 or F12 could become the key for mobs.

R

Write out a line of macros

/ac "Cure" <p0>

replace "Cure" with whatever is your favoured spell and repeat through <p0> to <p7>

you are <p0> and party members are counting down from the top of the list

you can also add

/aoe on

to the macro line if you want


It's not a magic wand but it will keep your party alive if you're having trouble targeting them fast enough.

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Originally Posted by Sev

Write out a line of macros

/ac "Cure" <p0>

replace "Cure" with whatever is your favoured spell and repeat through <p0> to <p7>

you are <p0> and party members are counting down from the top of the list

you can also add

/aoe on

to the macro line if you want


It's not a magic wand but it will keep your party alive if you're having trouble targeting them fast enough.

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Macros make Controllers awsome.


I use A contreller( XBOX 360 wired) and the Old Logitec keyboard. The keyboard fits in your lap. The keyboard is a USB input and it the one that has a built in controller to it for the PS2. I would use it for FFXI and it was/ is still awsome. I do noy t use the controller part any more but the keyboard part rocks. I have had it for 7-8 years and it still works great. Any MMO you should have a keyboard it just makes everything easier.

I would like to add that I play on keyboard and sometimes I play on controller (keyboard by habit from FFXI on pc I can't break it), I don't like either of the targeting modes :/ I feel like the first one is too flexible (meaning too many targets) and the 2nd one is inflexible. Switching between targeting modes isn't really what I'd like to be doing the whole game :/

I have played with controller since day one and I really don't have much problem with targeting. There has been times where it is annoying and it should be made to feel like FFXI's control schemes. I am sure you guys got a layout for the PS3 made up, so why not give us that version of controls and targeting (assuming its different)

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

I have played with controller since day one and I really don't have much problem with targeting. There has been times where it is annoying and it should be made to feel like FFXI's control schemes. I am sure you guys got a layout for the PS3 made up, so why not give us that version of controls and targeting (assuming its different)

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I doubt they have those controlls for the PS3. The whole game is getting redesigned. So were the BETA testers for it all.

If you left FFXIV because of the lack of functional targeting please post about it.

If you are annoyed by some part of targeting mechanics, please post here.

Do you think Patch 17a will included targting fixes? We will see.