Global Cool Down is technical issue

I've been playing MMORPGs obsessively since EverQuest. There has never been a GCD this ridiculous. There has never been a need for a GCD this ridiculous. I have a low opinion of modern MMORPG players in general but I don't think that they're all stupid enough or slow enough to warrant something this silly.



I hope....and there is a lot of things I hope get better with time with this game...that as you go up in level and the +skill/spell speed stuff is more common, that you eventually get down to something closer to the more typical 1-1.5s GCDs of normal MMORPGs, because I don't really want to play the kindergarten version for dummies forever.



I'm hoping this is just part of their treating MMORPG players and gamers like complete and total idiots and dumbing the game down to levels even the panda would scoff at and that the training wheels come off at some point.



C'mon man, the classes in this game are simplistic. There is very little mental agility needed to figure out which of your very few skills to use in very generic and routine battles. Is anybody REALLY using that 2.5s for intense strategizing on the fly? I freaking hope not.



I'm just glad the "you can't do anything until you're off GDC" beep the game makes is very subtle because I probably activate it 10-20x spamming keys trying to make my character do something. I want to watch the game...not watch my hotbar for 2.5s at a time waiting for something to be doable.



This for me is the biggest problem with such a long GCD. It's well outside the norm. It is a deterent to seamless play. It hinders watching the beautiful game. It crushes years and years of timing developed for games that usually have a 1.5s GCD.



It's something they did to pace out and extend combat so that lesser players could handle it easier. Except, there are no players that need this! They have designed a system for people who don't exist. Newborn don't play video games.



I think as the new game shine and smell wear off that things like this are going to get a bit more criticism.

I want to know if in high levels does fightning get any better with the GCD

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Originally Posted by Arriverderci

I want to know if in high levels does fightning get any better with the GCD

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I've been asking this for some time but haven't gotten an answer from anyone. People seem to ignore the subject on combat.

No it's a game design feature.

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Originally Posted by gitm

No it's a game design feature.

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Captain Obvious has arrived.

Can't agree more. From fights, I can only remember constantly switching from the scene to my hotbar, missing all the action.

If the GCD length is intended, at least give us a buffer feature, which will allow us to provide the next action and look away from the hotbar.

The skill speed stat reduces the cooldown, so it will be lower as you get better gear.

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Originally Posted by Kelg

The skill speed stat reduces the cooldown, so it will be lower as you get better gear.

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Ok, but how much? I and I think many more would be satisfied with 1.5 at least, even if I'm used to 1 second. Even that is turn based, I really don't see gear knocking off half of the GCD and cast times. I really don't see meaningful combat and especially pvp in the future with 3 second cast times and instants with a 2.5 second gcd. Casting an instant feels close to worthless in this game, It makes you realize how bad the gcd really is when you use an instant and have to run around like a derp waiting to do anything else.

I'm pretty sure that GCD is that high to let player who plays the game on PS3 to have time to select skills with the controller since it's not as easy as bashing buttons on a keyboard. That's why I don't like the idea of the game sharing the same servers on both platforms.

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Originally Posted by Pathog3n

Casting an instant feels close to worthless in this game, It makes you realize how bad the gcd really is when you use an instant and have to run around like a derp waiting to do anything else.

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When you put it that way, I see your point. I don't know why I even bother with instant-casts at this point.

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Originally Posted by Sharmouta

I'm pretty sure that GCD is that high to let player who plays the game on PS3 to have time to select skills with the controller since it's not as easy as bashing buttons on a keyboard. That's why I don't like the idea of the game sharing the same servers on both platforms.

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I'm sorry, but this is just inaccurate. Coming from years of MMOs on the PC to ARR on the PS3, I can tell you that the cross-hotbar with a controller is just as fast as a standard hotbar on the PC. It may take some getting used to, but it's definitely not any slower. Not to mention that it wouldn't make sense for the GCD to be high to compensate for console-gamers, considering the developers designed the cross-hotbar system to be quick. There's no point in compensating for something that they feel isn't a problem in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Sharmouta

I'm pretty sure that GCD is that high to let player who plays the game on PS3 to have time to select skills with the controller since it's not as easy as bashing buttons on a keyboard. That's why I don't like the idea of the game sharing the same servers on both platforms.

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I absolutely agree and have said this before. 5 or so years ago there was big talk about cross platforming FPS when they were really big. When they realized the significant advantages that the mouse and keyboard had over the console the idea was wiped. the advantages of M and keyboard are not as big on an mmo like this one but I don't want to suffer so console players can keep up. I honestly think the average console player can for the most part keep up with a pc player once they level cap and are used to the controls. No need for the ridiculous gcd.

It works fine at 50 and you get access to spell speed and skill speed Which reduces the GCD

Battle tempo is great

Also old topic is old this ain't changing

idk. for me it is not a problem. ppl who say that you stare at your hotbar and can't focus on the game... after some time you automatically feel when the cooldown is off... at least i get used to it and i'm not staring at my hotbars... so imo 1.5s or 2.5 s does not really make any differance. imo the only problem is that all the skills have pretty much the same cooldows which makes it a bit too easy.

If you say that you are looking at the hotbar all the time to look at GCD, you can just put a bar with a skill in the center of the screen, make everything else invisible... and you have your cooldown in the center... :D would be a lol, but would work :D

Changing the Global Cooldown would require SE to completely rebalance the game. It's not going to happen, and you're just going to have to get over it. I'm sure some people don't like the lack of the Ninja job from FFXI or the lack of flying mounts, but at the end of the day, these are design choices and your complaints on the matter will change nothing. The team wants the game to "feel" a certain way, and a 2.5 second global cooldown fits into that.

Like others have said, there are skill speed and spell speed attributes that drop your cooldown just like most other MMOs. Casting speed and GC is pretty terrible in WoW until you get some haste on your gear closer to endgame. This is nothing new and I honestly don't understand why you're posting about it when there are *so* many other issues that need to be tackled first.

I've played WoW and I've played FF 14 and the global cooldowns are fine, infact as playing a Monk I'm not sure if there are other classes like this, but there are abilities off GCD that I can use INBETWEEN my abilities during normal globals. IE: Stuns, and big cooldowns. So I mean I don't know, I enjoy the global cooldowns, it's fun.

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Originally Posted by Slynk

Changing the Global Cooldown would require SE to completely rebalance the game. It's not going to happen, and you're just going to have to get over it. I'm sure some people don't like the lack of the Ninja job from FFXI or the lack of flying mounts, but at the end of the day, these are design choices and your complaints on the matter will change nothing. The team wants the game to "feel" a certain way, and a 2.5 second global cooldown fits into that.

Like others have said, there are skill speed and spell speed attributes that drop your cooldown just like most other MMOs. Casting speed and GC is pretty terrible in WoW until you get some haste on your gear closer to endgame. This is nothing new and I honestly don't understand why you're posting about it when there are *so* many other issues that need to be tackled first.

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So if the "GC is pretty terrible in WoW" than what does that have to say for FF14 with your logic? What's one worse than terrible? Unacceptable?

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Originally Posted by Pathog3n

Ok, but how much? I and I think many more would be satisfied with 1.5 at least, even if I'm used to 1 second. Even that is turn based, I really don't see gear knocking off half of the GCD and cast times. I really don't see meaningful combat and especially pvp in the future with 3 second cast times and instants with a 2.5 second gcd. Casting an instant feels close to worthless in this game, It makes you realize how bad the gcd really is when you use an instant and have to run around like a derp waiting to do anything else.

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With full demagogue gear, which is slihtly better than AF, i have a GCD of about 2.4 seconds. With the scholar fairy buff this drops to somewhere around 2.3s

I play with a Xbox controller on a PC. I don't have any grips with the GCD. As a healer it force me to take precaution, to heal a bit more in advance to take account of it. In fights it didn't badder me yet, as long as the enemies have the same delay, which I still see at level 22. It's not a major strategy elements, but it still valid. On a graphical standpoint, it gives time to the CPU/internet to process commands, and reduce on the screen the FX effects crap that would ensue...if everyone would do commands simultaneously. Visibility in fights is also important, the GDC is about that too, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Pathog3n

Captain Obvious has arrived.

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Then you've contradicted your own thread heading. If it's obvious that it is a game design feature then it is not a technical support issue!

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Originally Posted by Pathog3n

So if the "GC is pretty terrible in WoW" than what does that have to say for FF14 with your logic? What's one worse than terrible? Unacceptable?

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It doesn't matter. It's not your game. No one cares that the game is too slow for you. If they upped the global cooldown, then people would start bitching that the game's too fast. If you don't like it, get out now while you can still cut your losses because no dev team can make a game that everyone likes. I think the GCD is fine and I've played around with marauder(15), lancer(22), arcanist (18), and pugilist(15) since re-launch. So why should the devs sacrifice part of their vision as well as the content of other users to appease *you*?

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Originally Posted by Holyhunter

With full demagogue gear, which is slihtly better than AF, i have a GCD of about 2.4 seconds. With the scholar fairy buff this drops to somewhere around 2.3s

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Well...that's something at least lol.

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Originally Posted by Arriverderci

Well...that's something at least lol.

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heres my stats and stuff as well as what my recast time is
http://i.imgur.com/r2wnFat.jpg

all green items are demagogue except the weapon, all blue items are darklight and the white ring is a zircon ring

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Originally Posted by Slynk

It doesn't matter. It's not your game. No one cares that the game is too slow for you. If they upped the global cooldown, then people would start bitching that the game's too fast. If you don't like it, get out now while you can still cut your losses because no dev team can make a game that everyone likes. I think the GCD is fine and I've played around with marauder(15), lancer(22), arcanist (18), and pugilist(15) since re-launch. So why should the devs sacrifice part of their vision as well as the content of other users to appease *you*?

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Do you take everything so personally? I don't expect them to change the game as that's unrealistic. It's obviously more of a rant than anything and to bring light to players who haven't thought about these things deeper or for others to agree and disagree you know.. constructive conversation and debate. People like you on forums are dime a dozen. Real quick to snap and say generic replies.

My headache is the lack of a GCD indicator which means I am either staring at keys waiting for GCD or spamming keys non stop because I am tired of staring at keys.

When you create combo skills that require B being pressed after a successful A then C being pressed after a successful B yet have no key buffering, it makes for a horrible design.

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Originally Posted by Pathog3n

No time to read your angry rant, let the butt hurt flow through you my friend.

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Reported for trolling. ^^

EDIT: Also, looking through your post history, noticed you intentionally created 2 threads in the same forum on the same topic when the last thread ended with everyone telling you the same thing. Wow, how childish can you be? Open a support ticket if you care that much. Reporting the other thread as well. :)

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Originally Posted by Pathog3n

I have a low opinion of modern MMORPG players in general

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And it was at this point I realized OP was a complete dick and stopped reading. I also played EQ someone get this guy a cookie.

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Originally Posted by Slynk

Reported for trolling. ^^

EDIT: Also, looking through your post history, noticed you intentionally created 2 threads in the same forum on the same topic when the last thread ended with everyone telling you the same thing. Wow, how childish can you be? Open a support ticket if you care that much. Reporting the other thread as well. :)

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^_^ I'll be waiting for your wonderful reply on my previous posts.