A bad experience during dungeon run

Why this topic?
I think it's better to make clear what's the one and only point of this topic:
A way to deal with people disrupting the game experience with toxic behaviors is needed.

This is what happened:

We enter "The Stone Vigil" dungeon with:
PLD, SMN (me), BRD, SCH. All is good until, after a pull, I get aggro on a Ziz and I die (my bad), so does the whole party soon after.
PLD says: "good job you killed us all" (legit).
I ask if he can just tank the Ziz first to avoid problems. He goes silent and just refuse to tank from that point (he just followed us and rolled on every loot). We had to try and finish with just 3 people and we failed ofc...

TL;DR:
One single guy busted a dungeon run for the other three people intentionally.

This is the answer I got after calling, in desperation, GM support during the run:

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Yes... because leave and retry after 50 minutes in and getting to last boss is the solution.

You dropped a ticket for this? Really?

Not to sound like a jerk but as someone who has received tickets in a game I would have laughed very hard at this one.

I know how you feel. Duty finder seems to slowly helping me to realize the amount of toxics this game has.

Being unable to kick players is troll fuel for the fire.

The three of you should have just stopped when you realized he wasn't going to tank. Or run into a boss fight, initiate it, then run right out before the area locks. Waste his time and wait for him to drop group. ;)

Yeah I honestly would have just left and old the others to do the same. This kind of stuff didn't happen in 1.0, not u tip this game invited in a bunch of a@^holes from other games that are full of them

Sadly, some of them have never played FFXI and have no idea how the party system is working but calling GM to kick someone is no excuse. The tank wasn't breaking the rules.

Being the first to leave also gives you a 15 minute lockout from Duty Finder. Got that after leaving a dungeon because the healer and tank were complete morons. After leaving, got a tell from my friend DPS that the healer was blaming me for being a poor DPS, this is contrary to the fact that my DPS abilities mostly get compliments.

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Originally Posted by Zehira

Sadly, some of them have never played FFXI and have no idea how the party system is working but calling GM to kick someone is no excuse. The tank wasn't breaking the rules.

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I'm seriously getting addicted on copying your signature.

Happens. Had this dude named Carry Me in a dungeon. Was saying healer sucks etc. However, These people think that mages have infinite MP pools especially when they do things stupid. Then they start calling people out and acting like an ass. I will not have any of it. If someone wants to be a dick, I just 'Leave Button' I do not normally pug, but when I do you sometimes run across morons. It is part of the game and ya it sucks. Honestly though, let them think they have a huge Epeen and move on. Nothing to do about it now. If you have his name post it on his server forums. Word gets out about this and people will not que with them because they know that they will be wasting their time.

needs more votekick.

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Originally Posted by ZitoHowlett

I'm seriously getting addicted on copying your signature.

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Glad you like my gif I made.^^

I've had a couple of MRDs in full DoW gear go "im not tanking someone else do it" and a couple of Cleric Stance CNJ's refusing to heal dungeons, only low level though these idiots don't tend to get very far though i suppose they can't thanks to instances being required for story progress.
For stone vigil you were trolled by someone being a dick for the sake of it i guess.

It's just a good example of why a vote kick system is needed regardless of the abuse that can happen with it you need something to deal with situations like this. being forced to take a 15 minute debuff is not the answer.

While your at it ilvl lock Amdapor Keep and Garuda to 55-60 so we don't get a bunch of dps with level trash accessories and weapons failing the dps requirements. pretty please SE.

You live a hard life, OP :/

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Originally Posted by Reezy

Being unable to kick players is troll fuel for the fire.

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The opposite is also true.

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Originally Posted by Supersomething

The opposite is also true.

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I don't think that's nearly as likely. If you have pissed off the majority of the rest of the party such that they can vote you out I am not sure it is the party who's trolling. If it is a majority rule thing it should work fine.

Well what else can you do? Try and beat the dungeon without a tank? How did that work? It's going to be a bad situation either way, it would have been smarter to suck that time up as a loss and start over, rather than hoping he'd come to, or hoping that you could finish without a tank. My $0.02 anyways.

We really do need a /kick option though. While we know that, too, will be misused, it would still do more good than harm.

A related frustration is that when you're in a party, it won't let you use the /tell function to other party members. If you want to talk about the party the game forces you to say it to their face - this led to some problems in my last run where I noticed very early in the archer was probably a newbie (He was wearing all caster gear significantly lower level than himself, no doubt because he liked the hooded-cloak look), and my suspicions went on to be proved right time and again where he kept running off and making pulls by himself - but my attempts to warn the tank in advance so he could compensate got blocked by the system.

Definitely less likely, but still possible. If it does happen, you're best off being out of that group anyway, as they'd just end up pulling something stupid in the not too distant future.

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Originally Posted by Lionheart

Yes... because leave and retry after 50 minutes in and getting to last boss is the solution.

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Honestly... the GM's not wrong. They're not there to hold anyone's hand to make sure they behave. If someone's being a douche canoe in a dungeon, the best thing to do, until some sort of VoteKick system is implemented, is just leave. Don't give them the satisfaction of weighing you down. I'm sure you have other things to do, besides piddling around some a waste of bandwidth like that guy.

The GM is right here, though I would welcome a kick option.
Not every one can play nice, simple as that.

When you go with your FC/LS you can go with nice players, with a pug it is well random.
I had a good experience myself though.

Had a similar problem last night with Titan. Tank only spammed one move and didn't generate enough enmity. Healer was desperately trying to keep everyone alive. Tank blamed healer when he lost hate. But if the tank was using his other enmity abilities there would have been no issue. Tank continually insisted the healer was doing dps because the arcanist was casting DoTs (Bio). In the end the tank was fed up and left because of his own ineptitude. Tank probably subscribed to the thought that "Oh ARR is a simple spam fest so I'll just use my strongest ability for an instawin"

Unfortunately after he left, dungeon finder didn't prompt us to replace him. So had to leave the instance and search again. Luckily the next time around we had a better tank.

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Originally Posted by Lionheart

We enter "The Stone Vigil" dungeon with:
PLD, SMN (me), BRD, SCH. All is good until, after a pull, I get aggro on a Ziz and I die (my bad), so does the whole party soon after.
PLD says: "good job you killed us all" (legit).

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I'm going to say this, because i've been there, having pulled by accident and died, but the rest of the party sucked more than you. If any of them were above derp level, it would have just taken longer. One dps going down? Just slower damage. Tank or healer? that makes more sense. I've gone down in trials, near the end, and the rest of the party survived to finish. As long as you didn't pull several groups, the rest should be fine.

That said, not really a GM issue. Either leave and try your luck elsewhere, or don't leave and make him wait too.

It sucks, it's the healers curse sometimes. I did a run earlier, luckily we finished the dungeon, with a MRD tank, Summoner and Bard all from the same FC (according to them) the tank couldn't hold agro on the bosses, the bard didn't believe in CC (would just spam aoe and always seemed to wait until after i slept a mob) and neither the MRD or Summoner seemed to be able to move out of aoe. Ofcourse it's the healers fault when someone dies, even if they stood in the middle of the room during Garuda and got nailed by her one shot ability, it's the healers fault. I really don't understand the no kick option. I had a great group for Garuda on my second attempt. Great tank, good monk and a pretty good bard. We died because it still pretty much new to us and the bard got dc'd before our second attempt could start. Had no option but to disband the group. I get they don't want people to be mean and such but the carebear approach is just silly.

This Is From the ToS

Inappropriate Behavior
Our Definition of Inappropriate Behavior
Disturbances that do not fall under the harassment category but are intended to prevent or hinder game play for others are considered inappropriate.

I would say what the Tank did fell under this. Though this would be subject to how the GM interprets it since their policies are not that well defined but definitely see this as going against the user agreement. GM, if was able at the time should have sent the offending tank and told him to play well with others or leave the group. FFXI GMs have been known to put people in the white room in FFXI for the most asinine reasons. Since this is new launch should make their presence known, jail a few people for doing dumb shit so people play nice.