30+ Dungeons

Hi all,

Im a LVL 36 PLD who recently completely Brayflox and Qarn. I noticed a huge increase in the amount of damage I starting taking in these 2 dungeons as opposed to pre-30 instances. Is this working as intended or are the dungeons supposed to increase damage dealt at this point? Also, is it time to start utilizing CC, or are my issues possibly gear related?

Thanks in advance.

working as intended... game is designed to ease you into the end game difficulty of things and 30+ is when it starts to kick in noticeably.

I felt the pain as soon as I ran Bray, and was told how horrible I am. Granted, its a crappy feeling being told how bad you suck but I immediately knew I was doing something wrong when I was literally holding no aggro on mob sets.

I researched on forums, ran over my spells and am practicing Manor to get a better taste of rotation. However, many DPS is not helping the situations for tanks learning these instances, considering the aggro spread and how difficult it is getting threat back or chasing 1 mob off a healer while trying to manage the rest of the pull. Further I'm on the PS3 and the targeting is incredibly difficult,its easy to misclick and your spamming [O] to cancel your targeting or your camera gets all jacked up from R3 or L3 lock.
Overall, I sincerely hope the community understands that making fun or calling tanks terrible will only makes those queues longer, especially considering how many people are simply new to MMO's.

It's not gear related. My 41 warrior has most of the gear obtainable from every instance, and he still takes a great pounding from trash mobs. Bosses are not a problem, however tanking 3+ trash mobs makes my healer spam like crazy at times. CC is the best option if you have it, I notice a great ease when mobs are slept and we can focus them down 1by1. So use them CC's and pop them cool downs.

one thing that will help you out is make sure your main weapon is on level with the mobs in the place. I walked into sunken temple and couldnt hold any aggro i felt like a joke. me weapon was just a couple levels under. Switched to a lvl 35 dagger that dropped and problem instantley solved with no adjusting to rotation. Flash for instance is based of weapon damge so a lower lvl weapon makes is weaker when your party is using on level weapons to do their damage.

as for taking damage. Odds are you had a scholar healer. i take WAY more of a beating when a scholar is healing. at this point in their lvl curve they arent the strongest single target healer. they can do it... you will just be around half health alot more

Thanks for the advice guys.

Threat is a non issue, I keep aggro pretty well. The issue is me getting hit like a mack truck. Well, guess its time to stop face rolling and and actually play smart .... damn :)

Huh, odd. Every healer I have been with in dungeons in that range (that we finished) has told me I am pretty easy to heal and am able to take a beating. I honestly haven't noticed anything different, tho I do cycle my cool downs liberally on trash mobs as they tend to hit a lot harder than bosses (if you avoid mechanics). I will say this, I hate Sunken Temple with a fiery passion and outright refuse to go back there. I leveled myself as fast as possible to 38 to get to the storyline dungeon and avoid ST. Every duty finder group I had was terrible. DPS who would tunnel the boss, ignore bees, and ignore doom. I am sure with competent players it would have been fun, but with those groups? Forget it, never again. Honestly, if groups are this bad the rest of the way I may just skip duty finder entirely and only dungeon when I have to.

At lvl 30 the instances start getting harder I assume because you should have your advanced class unlocked and have more tools at your disposal. However I just ran the lvl 30 instance and was getting slammed the whole time. Warrior cooldowns at this point are pretty underwhelming.

The damage gets ramped up a lot but at the same time whm gets tools that actually make healing easier than at low level when you only have cure. Stoneskin, regen, divine seal, cure 2. Since I had those spell I feel like god when healing so dont worry we can keep you alive.

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IMO, you need 3 pieces of equipment updated:

Weapon
Armor
Shield

If you have those 3 updated, things will get easier. Other than that, its all about RNG actually. Like some fights you get crit more, or you block more, etc. Just be sure to remember to use your defense skills, even on trash mobs. Rampart, Convalescence and Foresight (From MRD lv4 iirc). If you use Foresight first and when its over you use Rampart, you can have -20% dmg from about 1/3 of the fight. Convalescence is for when you need that exta heal (someone screwed up) or you just feel like poping after Rampart for a few more seconds of 'improved surviability'. And tell your CCers that they have CC for a reason.

PS: sorry if there is any typo, enligsh isnt my first language.

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Originally Posted by Binauralman

I felt the pain as soon as I ran Bray, and was told how horrible I am

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I can relate to this. I have been playing summoner and I would group with my sister who is a warrior on PS3. Damage intake was just unexpectedly through the roof for bray. It is unlike any previous dungeons in this regard. All too often people start giving her a hard time saying she sucks, which she can take a bit too personally. To shut the prima donna healers up, I decided I'd do scholar from now on instead. She has gotten better as shes become more familiar with the game (and MMOs as a whole), but the PS3 thing really is a handicap that I do not see a way around. It is such a severe limitation that I have been trying to talk up some kind of mindless drone DPS class for her to consider changing to.

I would love to hear some tank tips for ps3 players. For instance, we try to turn off NPC targeting while in battle, but she continues to waste time targeting my pet.

If you feel like your getting hit for a lot of damage here, make sure you use some food and even a +vit potion on the boss fights to give you a little extra buffer. I can make a big difference if you're getting hit hard and you don't have anyone to sleep one of the adds. And make it easy on yourself, don't forget to mark the targets. That alone makes everything go so much smoother.

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Huh, odd. Every healer I have been with in dungeons in that range (that we finished) has told me I am pretty easy to heal and am able to take a beating. I honestly haven\\'t noticed anything different, tho I do cycle my cool downs liberally on trash mobs as they tend to hit a lot harder than bosses (if you avoid mechanics).

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That\\'s another thing, I\\'ve been taking the defensive CD\\'s for granted. I really need to make more liberal use of them, especially on trash. There are far too many CD\\'s on relatively short timers not to use frequently.

I've also noticed how bad some groups can be, especially with mechanics. I'm not sure if there are a lot of inexperienced MMO'ers in ARR or if people are just lazy, but there's nice videos and explanations of all dungeons. If I haven't been to one, I at least read up on it real quick. That would help immensely is people did the same.

Brayflox Longstops, from the healer perspective, is when I noticed that damage just ramped up. Gladiator or Marauder, it seems like, "whoa!"

And crowd control has made a HUGE difference in this dungeon.

Also, there seem to be a good deal of patrols as well, which may make a two to three mob fight become a four mob fight, in which case, if crowd control is broken, someone usually dies.

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Originally Posted by Insidious

...I will say this, I hate Sunken Temple with a fiery passion and outright refuse to go back there. I leveled myself as fast as possible to 38 to get to the storyline dungeon and avoid ST. Every duty finder group I had was terrible. DPS who would tunnel the boss, ignore bees, and ignore doom. I am sure with competent players it would have been fun...

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I'm glad I'm not the only one. Random healer and I went through 3 pairs of DPS that just wouldn't focus on bees (you can just tank them, afterall) before we both just gave up. I felt bad, because the healer thought it was his fault for being "too low-level" at 35.

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Originally Posted by Insidious

...I will say this, I hate Sunken Temple with a fiery passion and outright refuse to go back there. I leveled myself as fast as possible to 38 to get to the storyline dungeon and avoid ST. Every duty finder group I had was terrible. DPS who would tunnel the boss, ignore bees, and ignore doom.

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This happened to me today. Got a Duty Finder for ST and my party got stuck on the first boss. I was told to improve my gear and was politely asked to leave the group by two of the members and cursed out by the fourth member of the party. On one attempt, I totally messed up with the Doom counter. On every other attempt (~5 or 6 other tries), our DPS simply couldn't kill bees fast enough to prevent Final Sting from one-shotting me. Eventually I just nodded in agreement when I was told I sucked and excused myself from the party.

yeah, earlier today, I got my ass beat in brayflox so badly that I actually lost motivation IRL. I got better. now I'm farming fates for seals to grab every piece of gear that being a storm sergeant will give me access to, since my dungeon loot luck is... well terrible at best. I've gotten 1 drop and that was in sastasha. probably going to grab the 34 gear since the longstop syncs to 34, so that's the statistical best I can bring. and fate-tanking is always fun.

I will show this game why if you kick a warrior in the gut you better be sure they're dead and not just waiting for the C/D on bloodshower.

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Originally Posted by Zios

It's not gear related. My 41 warrior has most of the gear obtainable from every instance, and he still takes a great pounding from trash mobs. Bosses are not a problem, however tanking 3+ trash mobs makes my healer spam like crazy at times. CC is the best option if you have it, I notice a great ease when mobs are slept and we can focus them down 1by1. So use them CC's and pop them cool downs.

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I'll agree that damage scaling post-30 hurts. The problem with relying on CC is that not all classes have them, nor is it common enough. With BLM and WHM being the only two jobs that can effectively CC, there's not much you can do if you don't have them in-group.

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Originally Posted by Chezwick

That\\'s another thing, I\\'ve been taking the defensive CD\\'s for granted. I really need to make more liberal use of them, especially on trash. There are far too many CD\\'s on relatively short timers not to use frequently.

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This. I ran Brayflox yesterday for the first time and as all of you pointed out, damage on trash packs was nothing like the previous instances. I realized quickly that I was going to need to keep cycling the defensive cooldowns or else the WHM would hate me a lot. What a fun run it was.

Ran Brayflox about 3 times last night as well. Super fun. Mobs do hit harder, and CC really helps. I need more defensive cooldowns.

Just got tried Brayflox and while I am having no problems tanking the trash and keep aggro, same for the mini bosses, they are not an issue, I fail at the end fight.

Either I start running into goo on the floor but the bigger problem is avoiding the dragons attack, I am not in the two parallel red lines yet still get hit. Also the heal are not able to get me back to full health when I do get hit, when I get hit I got down to 1/4 life, so the next hits tends to kill me once my hi-pot and other healing abilities are on cool down.

I did notice if I pan the camera back more I can sometimes avoid being hit but it seems to me the hit box margin is way retard big. Is probably just me sucking and needing more practice but anyone have any advice?

Also I have been putting my point all in str, I am level 35 and have 2 points to place right now and I am thinking of putting them and the rest into vit.

Just have to get out faster. Although sometimes I think the lag makes the game think you're still in the damage area even though you're way clear of it. The breath might also be interruptable.

Brayflox hurt like hell, but Qarn actually was pretty tickly (except BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES)

As a warrior tank, I was able to do Qarn with just WM regen and my own self healing on all the bosses. When Inner Beast crits are healing me for 900-1000 it's pretty easy to stay up.

Making good use of defensive CD's + cc's is extremely important. If you lack a Cc in your group save big CD's for 3 pulls..2 pulls shouldn't be too bad if targets are marked and focused down quick enough.

Crowd control is helping a lot in Brayflox. I am now consistently marking targets and asking my party to sleep and respect sleep.

The dungeon is now rather easy for me until the last boss, maybe I am lucky but I think also DPS are starting to realise that this MMO is a little more involved than other games and are letting me get agro.

My last remaining issue is that interrupts and moving out of redboxes are just impossible at 360ms lag, and I can't work past that. It's going to make things very hard later. I can be welll to the side, even behind th mob when he lets loose and I am still hit for the full effect. :(

Oh goddd, i hate Brayflox so badly, i´m a PLD and i got killed like 5 time, the dragon´s attacks hurt like hell

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Originally Posted by matooh

Oh goddd, i hate Brayflox so badly, i´m a PLD and i got killed like 5 time, the dragon´s attacks hurt like hell

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There are far worse dragons then the one in Brayflox... Gatta get that reaction time down. Though i have been hearing there has been server lag in the dungeons lately.