EXPLOIT: Amdapor Keep

Dear SE,

Some groups have found a way to skip all trash mobs in Amdapor's Keep.

The tank runs to the he boss chamber while holding hate from all mobs on the way. The team follows him into the chamber and lets the tank die on a safe distance from them. The mobs run back to their original position and the healer resurrects the tank.

This is possible for every single boss and reduces Amdapor Keep's difficulty and completion time to 20-30 minutes.

Could this be fixed please?

Thanks!

Furio

its not a exploit its the same as you running through a zone and not fighting mobs to get to the next zone or a gathering class using stealth to keep from fighting mobs it does not lower the difficulty one bit do to the fact they are as you say trash mob and are of no use other then to try and slow down progressing of the group you are still fighting the bosses at the same difficulty.

Sac Pull = Not Exploit

But the reason why the devs decided to remove leashing in dungeons during beta process is that they expect players to kill trash mobs. Clearly it is not SE's intention that you can sac pull

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Originally Posted by Furio

Dear SE,

Some groups have found a way to skip all trash mobs in Amdapor's Keep.

The tank runs to the he boss chamber while holding hate from all mobs on the way. The team follows him into the chamber and lets the tank die on a safe distance from them. The mobs run back to their original position and the healer resurrects the tank.

This is possible for every single boss and reduces Amdapor Keep's difficulty and completion time to 20-30 minutes.

Could this be fixed please?

Thanks!

Furio

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nice one hope thay fix it dont want this game to be to EZ. wach I bet you get alot of lvl 45-50s arguing with you just becuse thats what thay do

yeah cause trashmobs are hard ... wait what ? dude plz think about what you are saying ...

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Originally Posted by natwig

its not a exploit its the same as you running through a zone and not fighting mobs to get to the next zone or a gathering class using stealth to keep from fighting mobs it does not lower the difficulty one bit do to the fact they are as you say trash mob and are of no use other then to try and slow down progressing of the group you are still fighting the bosses at the same difficulty.

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That's not the same thing, in this case it's not like the mobs reset themselves after they chased you a certain distance - the tank, by dying, essentially resets the whole aggro table of the mob which, for some reason, does not continue attacking the rest of the party.

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Originally Posted by ThePatriarch

Sac Pull = Not Exploit

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Nah man, this is a very clear exploit.

This is an exploit.

fix this..ppl abusing it

Sac pull is done all the time in FFXI and is a legitimate tactic to get rid of mobs you don't want to fight, and it has been done every since the anti-MPK update many years ago that made mobs depop. I dont' see how this is an exploit in FFXIV, unless somehow XIV's rules are vastly different from XI's. In fact, if SE fixed this by having mobs not depop when the sac dies, it opens the door to wholesale MPK opportunities.

They could add doors that only open after you've defeated X trash mobs or make all trash mobs NM-type so that they don't depop, or something.

Working as intended.

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Originally Posted by Kuan-_-Ti_

nice one hope thay fix it dont want this game to be to EZ. wach I bet you get alot of lvl 45-50s arguing with you just becuse thats what thay do

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Don't worry bro. I won't reply to obvious trolls. It's an obvious exploit and I'm sure they'll fix it and look at other instances while they're at it.

Dont post exploits in the forums please. Just report it using the in game feature.

well OP just keep crying about something that is never getting fixed because its not a exploit, as Garnett said its nothing new has been happening since FFXI. Also I am pretty certain that SE knows that this can be done and left it like that so it could be done since the Trash mobs are not that hard there just there to try and make the instance longer. But you keep up that crying i am sure something will get fixed

If the dungeons weren't timed then I'd have no problem with this. But the fact that the dungeons are timed means that anything you can do to fudge the system and complete the dungeon before the timer runs out gives you a clear upper hand against one of the dungeon's built-in challenges that you wouldn't otherwise have. Whether you like the idea or not, the timer is part of the challenge and exploiting the game's aggro mechanics to bypass huge swaths of the dungeon removes a portion of the challenge that legitimate players contend with, netting exploiting players their rewards more quickly than legitimate players.

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Originally Posted by Micha_lol

yeah cause trashmobs are hard ... wait what ? dude plz think about what you are saying ...

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I don't think trash mobs would be put in your way if it was intended to skip them.

Please fix this SE. I don't want to relive another Darkhold experience from 1.0.

Put some doors and some keys dropped by monsters and that's it.

This my friend, is called a "Tactical Advantage"

if your tank can handle it - do it. if he can't, strategically plan for plan B.

Why is doing things faster, wrong in some way?

Trash mobs are named "Trash" for a reason.....

be honest your just mad you blow hours at it while they complete it 3x

All they need to do is for dungeons to add the whole party to the hate list once the tank gets initial agro. Tank dies, enemies move to next party member until all are dead. Problem solved. Plus removing the leashing of the enemies, just for dungeons at least.

by the way... speaking of Speed Running a dungeon, how does exp scale for clearing a dungeon in say 30 minutes opposed to 60 minutes?

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Originally Posted by Kissker

This my friend, is called a "Tactical Advantage"

if your tank can handle it - do it. if he can't, strategically plan for plan B.

Why is doing things faster, wrong in some way?

Trash mobs are named "Trash" for a reason.....

be honest your just mad you blow hours at it while they complete it 3x

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Running a dungeon as you're intended to run it is plan B? Finding an exploit is plan A? That's your main goal when entering a dungeon? Find out how to get the most benefit out of NOT running the dungeon?

And you're rewarded for completing the dungeon faster, if I'm not mistaken. Exploiting your way past the trash gives you a larger bonus than running it as it was intended. The timer and the trash wouldn't be there if there wasn't a reason for them to be there. I've seen this same argument over and over again on very similar subjects in different games. It always crops up when someone's preferred method of exploiting the mechanics to their advantage comes to light and people are forced to stop exploiting. You sound like one of the douchebags in Firefall that rallied to the forums when their ability to place mineral thumpers on a sheer rock face so mobs couldn't get to it was taken from them. The sky isn't going to fall because you have to play the game you paid for.

And it's not a "Tactical Advantage". That's just an excuse. Exploits don't magically become okay just because you have to find the exploit first. Or hear about it from someone else, as is usually the case.

Agreed, this is a 100% exploit and the only people here who are defending it are exploiters who are looking to keep doing it.

yeah this is a exploit your crazy if you think its not.
It would be like pulling a raid boss with just the tank let him die and rez him and walk past the boss to get to the next boss it should be like WoW if you pull something in a dungeon the mob will aggro the whole party regardless of where they are in the dungeon.

please fix or respond to this asap square. i consider this gamebreaking seeing how people are getting a advantage by being able to login vs others that can't. I imagine it might work in other dungeons as well.

How about making killing the mobs worth something.

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Originally Posted by Garnett

Sac pull is done all the time in FFXI and is a legitimate tactic to get rid of mobs you don't want to fight, and it has been done every since the anti-MPK update many years ago that made mobs depop. I dont' see how this is an exploit in FFXIV, unless somehow XIV's rules are vastly different from XI's. In fact, if SE fixed this by having mobs not depop when the sac dies, it opens the door to wholesale MPK opportunities.

They could add doors that only open after you've defeated X trash mobs or make all trash mobs NM-type so that they don't depop, or something.

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Or, simply have the mobs add the entire party to the enmity list rather than just the one person that aggrod the group.
It's an instance so MPKing is kind of a non-issue.
Much like gear swapping in combat wasn't an intended tactic in XI, it was an exploit (a means for players to do something that was not originally intended by the design team) but it was one that spread too far and too fast to be fixed. This has not, sac pulling doesn't need to become a 'rule' yet, and if fixed early, then it can doesn't have to become one.

Fix this SE. No EZ-mode, please.

so because i can do a dungeon in 25 minute instead of 50 minute its a exploit that makes no sense and i have noticed most of the people that are saying this is a exploit can not even do the dungeon i checked there characters and the OP his top job is 31 so why is that big of a deal to him i just think he has nothing else to cry about

As much as I'd like to do fast runs for tombstones, I feel it would be an insult to the dungeon and the experience as a whole. Hopefully this gets fixed.

didn't know this was an exploit.. there are several dungeons where this is employed in this game.. /shrug id like a dev response to this so I know im not breaking the rules by doing this with parties.

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Originally Posted by natwig

so because i can do a dungeon in 25 minute instead of 50 minute its a exploit that makes no sense and i have noticed most of the people that are saying this is a exploit can not even do the dungeon i checked there characters and the OP his top job is 31 so why is that big of a deal to him i just think he has nothing else to cry about

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hate posts like this.. what does any of this matter? he is obviously aware of the issue in the dungeon so has clearly seen it... his "top job" isn't 50 has no relevance on whether or not this is an exploit or not.. please add something constructive to the conversation, thank you.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

How about making killing the mobs worth something.

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I agree with this wholeheartedly. 1 gil per kill? you want all the mobs dead? bump it up to 25-100 gil per kill.

OP mad he cant find a pty or FC to do this so he thinks its an exploit and whines....

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Originally Posted by natwig

so because i can do a dungeon in 25 minute instead of 50 minute its a exploit that makes no sense and i have noticed most of the people that are saying this is a exploit can not even do the dungeon i checked there characters and the OP his top job is 31 so why is that big of a deal to him i just think he has nothing else to cry about

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pretty much this lol

This is not exploiting, this is face pulling then dieing how is this cheating by no means this is cheating, its smart if your in a rush to clear the dungeon, if your not hard core player then dont do it

This is designed the exact same way it was in 11, it is no exploit. It is a separate option for groups to consider. If you do not want to do it or do not like to do it, then don't. Don't go trying to make things like the PoS game that WoW was. If you didn't play 11, you have no right to comment on how a dungeon is designed in a FF game, nuff said.

This is more of a suggestion than a bug or exploit that needs 'fixing'.

This is normal - and fine. It is as was intended.
If you have a premade group wishing to skip straight to the boss, then more power to you.. feel free to.

If you'd rather work through the trash for items/experience/quests then do that instead.. Why impede on other peoples business as to what they do in their dungeons?

Just shut up

The xp you gain in a dungeon makes it worth killing everything in it. Im only 41 but I think I need 320,000 xp to level. There is no better way than to run dungeons for xp. If people want to sac because boss are to hard and they need more time to kill it. I have know problem but personally I want to kill everything.

This is a valid tactic in FFXI, and my LS uses this to kill Tojil all the time (when we cant get a clean pull) Fail too see how you think it's an exploit. Many other dungeons have "keys" and barriers in place. This one doesnt. Seems intentional to me.

Also: My highest job is level 31 goldsmith. (30 pugilist) so I haven't even been to this dungeon. Just gonna put that in there since people think only people using this are defending it.

It is a lvl 50 dungeon no need for exp and trash mobs drop like 1 gil and not much else so no point in killing trash if there is no reward.