I'm just going to say this is getting crazily similar to the debacle that was SWTOR.
Low communication (yes they have had some), proposed solutions to problems that many are unconvinced will fix the issues (how can making more servers help this situation when people are established with friends on their server now?), and now the community outrage. All it takes in the age of social media and internet is word of mouth. Slowly and most surely, we are bleeding potential players.
This game is AWESOME, for the time I have played I have enjoyed it tremendously and I can't wait to see end game content. Yes, MMO veterans know that we have seen our fair share of terrible launches, but we can't let that be an excuse. They terribly dropped the ball on how many people were signed up for the Beta and failed to recognize the positive feedback they were getting in order to prepare for early access and launch. Yes, they say they are working on it, but that does little to quell the current droves of people that simply have gotten minutes I would hate to see sub numbers never establish themselves because these issues aren't addressed.
Again quickly on the proposed fixed. I refuse to believe that every error is due to server population. The C++ Runtime Error, internet throttling, terrible server lag and system stability issues, simply being booted with 90000 or even a new one I saw the other day (can't remember the number). No way will the servers being added fix those issues, at least in my opinion. Hopefully they fix the server/lobby problems so they CAN move on to other issues. Hopefully....
Dare I say.....SWTOR?
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09-03-2013, 01:51 AMAstroliaDare I say.....SWTOR?
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09-03-2013, 02:03 AMBearracudaWell, even if they only end up adding more servers and leave the current servers at their current capacity, that will still alleviate some of the congestion because people who are sick of the errors will move to other servers, and new people will stop trying to make characters on the current servers because they'll see it show up greyed out on the list when the new servers are not.Quote:
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But also, in a typical IT setup, if a virtual server is not strong enough, you can add more hardware and assign said hardware to aforementioned virtual server. Now, I'm neither IT for nor an employee of Square Enix, so I don't know if there are some special circumstances behind their setup that make that impossible, but either way, upgrading the data centers will help.
On top of that (and I confess my sources are "other people in the game," so don't consider this a reliable statement), I've heard they're instituting free server transfers in about the middle of September, which will allow the horribly overpopulated servers to shift people off and open up again. (And allow friends to move to a less congested server together)
I'm not saying everything will be fixed, but the one argument that I haven't seen made so far is that the game isn't fun. It is very fun, and this will at least give us the ability to get in and play. I'm sure half of the lobby problems are caused thousands of people connecting and disconnecting from the lobby over and over by spamming their 0 key. -
09-03-2013, 02:11 AMRiktus
SWTOR's launch was extremely smooth in comparison to this shoddy launch
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09-03-2013, 02:23 AMAstroliaAgree completely, I wasn't getting really into what the issues were, just that there were terrible issues.Quote:
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Disagree with this. The game was unplayable for many due to no cross server system and simply dead servers. It took them months to implement that. By then many people had left the game unwilling to sit in queue forever for PVP or actually be SHOCKED to see another player out in the world leveling. So yeah, you got to log on and play, but to actually participate in a lot of the typical MMO activities, you could not. Also, terrible end game content IMO.Quote:
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09-03-2013, 02:31 AMZunI played SWTOR at launch, and I personally never had any issues connecting to the game. As I recall, the biggest complaints about SWTOR were content complaints, not technical ones. If some people were unable to play it when it launched, that is pretty bad, but in the case of ARR, EVERYONE seems to be having the problem more often than not. I'd say that makes this situation much worse.Quote:
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09-03-2013, 02:34 AMbaddagger
SWTOR had a very good launch, people could log in and play the game.. now im not saying the game was perfect but as far as a launching of a new game wise I thought it went really smooth over all
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09-03-2013, 02:36 AMbaddaggeryah I had no probs at all with the game.. as you state it was end game content when starwars started to get bad... as in lack of end game contentQuote:
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09-03-2013, 02:36 AMZack85
SWTOR had a smoother launch certainly, but I'm not still playing it either. I want this to be my new MMO, if only I could log on and play the dang thing lol.
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09-03-2013, 02:40 AMOrrin77
SWTOR had a great launch just a really bad early access. was like waiting for a lottery ticket to get your turn to get in
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09-03-2013, 02:43 AMPogues
LOL the SWTOR launch had problems but at least players were able to get on cause they allowed players to log in in different waves with the first wave of players being the one's who pre ordered the earliest. Sure their might have been some problems but nothing as titanic as the massive failure that SE managed to pull off with this launch.
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09-03-2013, 02:44 AMKatixia
The only issues with SWTOR was the queues, and at least I could get in eventually and play... OH to have queues again... I'd kill for a queue...
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09-03-2013, 02:55 AMAstroliaI didn't mean launch I meant ability to affectively fix issues and listen to the player base and little to no updates. And no I didn't say actually connecting to the game. The servers were ghost towns for many making the game unplayable, just an example of lack of foresight and what happens when word of mouth spreads.Quote:
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The game did not launch with many things that players asked for. They took awhile to add them. The launched game, in my opinion was not a finished product and neither is this (for different reasons but I believe the comparison holds water). -
09-03-2013, 04:11 AMbaddaggerthe game did not get there ghost towns ill about 8-12(maybe it was less, been a long time sense I played) months roughly after the launch of the game cause after everybody maxed lvled and finshed end game content and was nothing to do after so people left like I did.. wich I was pissed cause I bought the collectors edition. But when it first launched there were a shit load of people playingQuote:
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09-03-2013, 04:58 AMMynxLynx
I might have been able to log in to SWTOR but that wasn't really a good thing. Each day that passed after launch I watched the numbers of players in every zone drop until the server was dead and Bioware forced us to merge(calling it a "transfer"). The game engine was a beta("Let's spend a few million on voice acting but pennies on the game engine, durr") almost as old as FFXI. I have a great comp and it looked and lagged terribly. Many of the planets were horribly designed, Coruscant especially, but many others were right behind that. The voice acting didn't impress me all that much, I'd have been happier without it. Class skills were destroyed in the name of PvP, just like WoW did. The game could have been great single player, the stories aren't too bad. I'd rather wait to play a good game(all I need is a queue!) than have a server of SWTOR all to myself besides a handful of AFKers. Not even in Bioware's wet dreams could SWTOR have had as much interest as ARR. I laugh at LucasArts every day for pulling the plug on Galaxies in favor of SWTOR.
In case anyone disagrees, Casey Schreiner said it best on the last episode of the MMO Report. (while fading from existence, his last words) "SWTOR is overrated!" -
09-03-2013, 06:33 AMbrassen
Nah, man. I could log in to play SWTOR at launch.
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09-03-2013, 06:36 AMCenewulflol...didn't it take them about a month to fix the issue with slicers making atleast 16 times the credits that everyone else who did other professions could make? I had players offering me credits on jedi covenant and telling me to switch to slicing and I was more interested in making lightsaber hilts. That alone ruined that games economy.Quote:
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09-03-2013, 06:39 AMsubliminalQuote:
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But SWTOR's numbers were no where near the numbers that SE is having to put up with. -
09-03-2013, 06:45 AMSelsix
To everyone saying SWTOR had such a better launch:
Go play that instead since you love it so much. What's that? This game is better? Worth the issues even? Okay. Stop bitching then. -
09-03-2013, 08:50 AMbaddaggerdude stop being a bitch.. we were not saying its a better game, all we were doing was making comparisons in how mmo's launch start ups were.. but if u read that u would know or u did and just being another internet asshole that has to flame people cause you got some stick shoved up your ass way to far and cant get it out so u got to be a ass hole and flame people and try to act like a tough guy...Quote:
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