Seriously, the game has a queue.
So why is it that we get 1017, and bounced out to the title screen, rather than being entered in the queue? Isn't the entire point of queues, and the reason they've been a staple of software design for 30+ years, that they let you process things in order even though you can't process them all at once?
I understand the need to limit players who are actually in the world. That's why games have queues to begin with; not everyone can log in at once, so the people who can't log in yet wait in the queue. And yet, for FF14, unique among all the MMOs I have ever seen, the vast majority of login attempts that don't place you in the world immediately result in getting bounced out entirely. Why?
I recognize that you're working on it. I am pretty happy with the announced fixes and improvements. I just want to know why the queue can't be used for the one and only thing that queues exist to do. "You had one job, queue."
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08-31-2013, 07:13 AMseebsCould we get an actual explanation as to why the queue can't be used?
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08-31-2013, 07:16 AMMebu
weak servers....
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08-31-2013, 07:18 AMTheLoneGunman
I had thought that error was what you got when the queue was full or there were too many people hammering the login server to process.
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08-31-2013, 07:32 AMEnveigle
terrible execution of server administration...
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08-31-2013, 07:32 AMseebsWhy can the queue be "full" with under 10k people in it? Queues are super cheap, and are a very well-understood bit of technology. An 8086 with 640k of memory could handle a login queue of 5k users.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLoneGunman
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08-31-2013, 07:44 AMRiavanNah they just want to open more servers atm so they can reopen sales and more people can buy their broken game. People who they already have gotten money off are a 2nd tier problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by seebs
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08-31-2013, 07:48 AMMickdundee
This is so %$#@ing frustrating, love paying for a game that I cannot play!!!
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08-31-2013, 07:51 AMkomaro
the queue is what's making the server crash. I would think it would be the logical reason...
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08-31-2013, 07:52 AMseebsHow can a queue make a server crash?Quote:
Originally Posted by komaro
// It is inconceivable that more than 100 players would be in queue. This would indicate a programming error, most likely.
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08-31-2013, 07:54 AMOleander
The game isn't "broken" it's quite good, but the servers cant handle the load, we get new data centers next week. It's frustrating to not be able to play, but hopefully they will iron out soon, they are already extending the free trial period.
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08-31-2013, 07:57 AMRiavanSadly being an mmo, the servers are part of the game. I'm not interested in playing this game long term anymore, I just wanted some fun for a couple of weeks before a much better MMO releases it's new content patch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleander
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08-31-2013, 08:02 AMOleander
Every mmo has issues at launch.
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08-31-2013, 08:07 AMseebsI am not disputing that. I am not suggesting that they are not being good enough about fixing them. I just want to know: Why do we get 1017 instead of being in the queue? We know they have a queueing feature. Why do login restrictions result in error 1017 instead of in a longer queue?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleander
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08-31-2013, 08:08 AMrabbitzeroIt seems so random. Sometimes, i'll get a queue of like 7 people, and go right in. Other times, no queue and just the error (which sends me to the title screen and not character, why?). Then random times i'll get a queue, and it seems like it has popped, but nope, error. :\ Seems like there is a programming error or something that instead of placing into a queue, it just says it's full, which is obvious, as that's what a queue pretty much means. I don't mind if i will be waiting a long time in that line, just quit having to have me click over and over to try. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by seebs
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08-31-2013, 09:00 AMRiavanThe issues usually dont involve defying common sense and things other people had 10 years ago, like login ques and afk timers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleander
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08-31-2013, 09:08 AMJieming
I would like all my trial days back on my account for all of those I couldn't play and had to keep staring at the 1017 error message.
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08-31-2013, 10:27 AMNiwashiThat's exactly the point. The reason queues exist is for times that the servers can't handle the load. The queue (if it were working properly) would take care of regulating that load on the servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleander
Without a working queue, the only way to get in is to try to connect, error, try again, error, try again, error, try again, error, try again... and so on, hitting the servers over and over again until you eventually get lucky. That may take dozens or even hundreds of hits on the server when just one would have sufficed if the queue picked it up. So the lack of a queue makes it far harder on the already overworked servers.
The complaint here isn't about not being able to get into the world (though there are certainly plenty of other threads about that). The issue here is about why overloading isn't being managed as overloading. A queue is both far less frustrating to the players trying to get in and also far less load on the servers than a seemingly endless sequence of errors. And the system does actually have at least the basic framework of a queue built into it, but for some unknown reason that queue isn't being used for this overloading which is the whole purpose of its existence.
Once the larger overloading problem is taken care of, through a combination of beefing up the servers and players leaving permanently (hopefully more of the former than the latter), then eventually there won't be so much need for a login queue. It's now when there are more people trying to play than the servers can handle that the queue is needed. -
09-12-2013, 11:02 PMseebs
Yes, I can get an explanation.
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09-12-2013, 11:07 PMEquiano
Ooooooo, next week! Haven't heard that before, so I'll look forward to it being fixed then!
P.S. I LOVE SE AND ALL THEY DO PLZ DON'T BAN ME. -
09-12-2013, 11:18 PMVinge
Oh look, another weekly server update which does nothing to address any of the issues around character creation locks or character transfers followed by yet another dev post saying how much a priority it all is. Which is exactly what we had last week as well.
I expect to see the same next week, another update which will do nothing followed by another dev update post saying how it's still all a really top, top priority honest!
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09-12-2013, 11:19 PMGarnett
So basically their login server can't handle it and 1017 can be expected during peak times and weekends...
SE spent so much money developing this game to make it good, which it is... but I don't understand why they can't afford enough servers to let everyone enjoy it?? I guess once the trial period is over and the players who don't want to pay monthly fees leave, the situation may get better. -
09-12-2013, 11:22 PMZohnoReechohttp://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...0/015/orly.jpgQuote:
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http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...06d0909189e479 -
09-12-2013, 11:25 PMVingeThat list is already out of date. Moogle (EU) is now back to locked again, expect the NA servers to follow as people wake up and log on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
And given Moogle (EU) is the server I've been trying to get on to for the last 2 weeks, this has changed nothing. -
09-12-2013, 11:38 PMZohnoReecho
They increased the capacity but what can they do if they got full again? You cannot expect them to open the gates for everyone. If it was possible what was the point in having different worlds? They could just scale it vertically and have 300k players on a single server.
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09-12-2013, 11:50 PMGarnettJust create more and more servers to handle the new comers... I don't care if they become ghost towns during non-peak times, hey at least then I can cast a spell on a full-health mob in a FATE without the mob dying in the 2 seconds before my spell lands. =)Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
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09-12-2013, 11:54 PMZohnoReecho
They are, but people keep going into the overcrowded servers. If SE adds new servers but the users do not go there what can they do? Shut down that world and force everyone in there to move to the newer ones?
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09-13-2013, 12:10 AMVingeBut they haven't even added new servers for EU players in this latest update!! Despite ALL the current EU ones being closed to new character creation at peaks times since launch!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
End of the day though I don't really care about their excuses any more. I bought this game 2 weeks ago to play with friends, and I'm still not able to.
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09-13-2013, 12:33 AMZohnoReechoMaybe because Lich, the last added EU server, has never been closed even once since it was installed? Let's not complain just for the sake of complaining please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinge
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09-13-2013, 12:50 AMVingeLich is shut to new character creation every evening and most of the time at weekends. Every EU server is overcrowded.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
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09-13-2013, 01:00 AMC-croftI don't know why they even labeled them as EU servers. Seeing as how the EU data center is physically in the same location as the NA data center(duh because they are the same). The only difference is the prime time slot based on how many players are on at any single time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinge