6months and no AH?!

Seriously make it happen already. I haven't bought new gear in 3 months just because I don't want to deal with that instance copy paste room hell. The search made things a bit easier but it's just a band aid over a completely non functional system. Most items aren't for sale because most people have given up on it ever functioning.

AH needs to be quick, require no loading to another zone and it needs price histories to make selling and buying things more convenient. Currently there is no economy to speak of.

Honestly I was the first one to ask for an AH about 4 months ago, now I don't mind the retainer system. I'd rather have an AH sure, but the retainers aren't that bad, it just takes a tiny bit of running. Seems to me you're just being lazy and stubborn if you haven't bought gear in 3 months.

An AH wont suddenly create an economy.

An auction house isn't needed, the retainer system is pretty good now, and an auction house definitely will not save XIV

Just went back to see if it has gotten any better. There weren't a single weapon nor piece of gear on sale that fits my character rank. If this is healthy economy and working shopping system then I just have to think that we have really different standard for quality. It took me 40+ seconds to warp to my retainer and head back to city.

1) What's your character rank? If it's 20 or under, then there's an NPC in the market wards that sells stuff specifically for the low levels. Did you check there?

2) What city did you check? Most of the players -- and their retainers -- have migrated to Uldah. So that's where most of the stuff being sold is actually being sold. Might want to check Uldah.

For evey person who wants an AH 10 don't, not because they think its not needed but because they have becomes so used to the crappy wards they convinced themselves otherwise.

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Depends how it is implemented, a good one will definitely solidify the economy.

I agree that the MW is much better than it was and does actually work fairly well now, but I still think an AH would be better alternative.

An AH system actually has some negative aspects in such a complex economy.

With the interdependence of crafters in the game, the retainer system allows people to leave items on their retainer without having to constantly repost them, or manage an insane log of auctions.

One problem with an auction house system is that many of the items will simply never be posted, similar to how in other games you see plenty of low level items, no mid range items, and then level cap items on AH's.

A better solution than an AH is to increase the number of items retainers can post to 1,000, give each player 4 or 5 total retainers (because crafters need retainers for all sorts of wards), and add a text search feature to the item search.

It would also be nice to clean up the wards to make them more organized, and to remove the price search feature, since too many items are greatly undervalued in the current game due to gil wars, or players offloading items onto the market.

I would be very excited if there was an improvement. It's either log on and level something, or log on and play the market wards....

Seems a big hassel to wiggle your way around current selling prices & finding some items that are not gear related.

I liked how FFXI was set up. The problem was Gil Farmers, not the setup. My guess is we dont hear about Gil Farmers now because no one needs the extra Gil... At least I dont. Heck, I have more Gil than what I know what to do with because there's realy nothing to shop for.

Plus the multiple city wards thing is very old school. At least put in travels (chocobo, air ship, ect) before going that route.

I'd like an Auction house if the same one was accessable by all three cities.

The retainer system reveals Square's really bad/shortsighted plan of 'funneling' everyone towards Ul'dah with the mainline quests. Now Gridania and Limsa wards are severely denuded of retainers/items. I went to Gridania the other day and found 0 retainers in the crystalier ward. In shock I jumped to battlecraft wards and found just 1 retainer there. Later I went to Limsa. It turned out to be a little healthier but still severely lacking.

An AH shared by all 3 cities would solve the unhealthy market wards of the other 2 cities.

And I have to agree RMT are the problem and SE keeps trying to find in game methods of inconveniencing/thawarting them without realizing or conceding that RMT do EXACTLY what regular players do except on a larger scale. When they try to stop the RMT they end up hurting the players as much if not more. They need to police the game more not rely on their gimmicky anti-RMT bot scripts. By the same token... (not to say I love them... I just don't think there's any way to get rid of them) Whey RMT is 'controlled' rather than 'out of control' it's not bad. I mean shards/crystals would probably still be 300+/3000+ gil if it wasn't for them.

The market ward is pretty much the same thing as an AH, but with functions that prevent/slow the process of RMT. It's actually new and refreshing compared to the copy&paste AH we see in every single MMORPG. People complain because they have to walk to the retainer selling the item, but that's just being lazy. People seem to think that just because the system had a rough start out it's all the sudden a "failed feature, or not fixable" yet that's obviously NOT the case. Look at how far the system has gone, and look at how many less people talk about this subject. Keep in mind, that the original market ward system, was not a finished product, and even now still has room for improvement. Regardless, the MW's are better and more interesting.

I'd be okay with the wards if I didn't have to travel to Uldah to get everything (unless its a new shield LL has those), the way they released the class quests and made Gridania and LL almost deserted is wrong, I wonder how they did not know everyone would want one COMMUNAL place on a server like Jeuno, we don't have ishgard so everyones in Uldah. If Ishgard was out we'd have everyone be in Ishgard that is over a certain level and lowbies would be in starting three cities.

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An AH system actually has some negative aspects in such a complex economy.

With the interdependence of crafters in the game, the retainer system allows people to leave items on their retainer without having to constantly repost them, or manage an insane log of auctions.

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And why do you think that just because you call something an Auction House it has to work like every other Auction House out there, you could quite easily have an AH system that allows you to set an item and leave it until it sells or you wish to remove it, the fee would be taken from the sale of the item much in the same way when an item is sold using the marketward.

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One problem with an auction house system is that many of the items will simply never be posted, similar to how in other games you see plenty of low level items, no mid range items, and then level cap items on AH's.

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Item with no value are generally sold to NPC's anyways so this is a moot point.

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A better solution than an AH is to increase the number of items retainers can post to 1,000, give each player 4 or 5 total retainers (because crafters need retainers for all sorts of wards), and add a text search feature to the item search.

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How would saturating an already over-saturated economy benefit anyone ?

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It would also be nice to clean up the wards to make them more organized, and to remove the price search feature, since too many items are greatly undervalued in the current game due to gil wars, or players offloading items onto the market.

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Agree that it would be nice to clean up the wards if they stay and organise them a bit better, removal of the price search is a terrible terrible idea, its there for a very good reason so we don't spend hours looking for the best priced item amongst a sea of NPC's.

A completive economy is by no means a bad thing.

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And I have to agree RMT are the problem and SE keeps trying to find in game methods of inconveniencing/thawarting them without realizing or conceding that RMT do EXACTLY what regular players do except on a larger scale. When they try to stop the RMT they end up hurting the players as much if not more. They need to police the game more not rely on their gimmicky anti-RMT bot scripts. By the same token... (not to say I love them... I just don't think there's any way to get rid of them) Whey RMT is 'controlled' rather than 'out of control' it's not bad. I mean shards/crystals would probably still be 300+/3000+ gil if it wasn't for them.

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Couldn't agree more.

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The market ward is pretty much the same thing as an AH, but with functions that prevent/slow the process of RMT. It's actually new and refreshing compared to the copy&paste AH we see in every single MMORPG. People complain because they have to walk to the retainer selling the item, but that's just being lazy. People seem to think that just because the system had a rough start out it's all the sudden a "failed feature, or not fixable" yet that's obviously NOT the case. Look at how far the system has gone, and look at how many less people talk about this subject. Keep in mind, that the original market ward system, was not a finished product, and even now still has room for improvement. Regardless, the MW's are better and more interesting.

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The only reason the MW now work is because they have basically rewritten it to act like an AH with NPC's.

There is little reason at this stage why they shouldn't go the whole hog and replace it with a complete AH.

Just because something is new and different doesn't make better either.

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The market ward is pretty much the same thing as an AH, but with functions that prevent/slow the process of RMT. It's actually new and refreshing compared to the copy&paste AH we see in every single MMORPG. People complain because they have to walk to the retainer selling the item, but that's just being lazy. People seem to think that just because the system had a rough start out it's all the sudden a "failed feature, or not fixable" yet that's obviously NOT the case. Look at how far the system has gone, and look at how many less people talk about this subject. Keep in mind, that the original market ward system, was not a finished product, and even now still has room for improvement. Regardless, the MW's are better and more interesting.

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Less people talk/complain about not having an AH or market system that is enjoyable because they quit long ago >.>;

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The market ward is pretty much the same thing as an AH, but with functions that prevent/slow the process of RMT. It's actually new and refreshing compared to the copy&paste AH we see in every single MMORPG. People complain because they have to walk to the retainer selling the item, but that's just being lazy. People seem to think that just because the system had a rough start out it's all the sudden a "failed feature, or not fixable" yet that's obviously NOT the case. Look at how far the system has gone, and look at how many less people talk about this subject. Keep in mind, that the original market ward system, was not a finished product, and even now still has room for improvement. Regardless, the MW's are better and more interesting.

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People like copy/paste tho. New is bad.

If you build it, they will come.

I still don't know why everyone is defending the retainer system.

Everything the devs will do with this system to make it more user friendly or intuitive will turn out to be extremely roundabout or awkward, because the base design of "NPCs selling your stuff in a separate zone like bazaars" is a bad design. There is nothing that this system does, that a system without retainers couldn't do better, easier, and for cheaper in terms of development costs.

Just because you can work with a system doesn't mean it's a GOOD one. SE pretty much spent extra effort to make a system that's WORSE than systems already available on other MMOs (including their own).

My main problem with the market wards is, they can go down. Countries would fail if they're economy went to a complete halt the amount of times the wards in Eorzea do, of course this is caused by the massive amount of retainers in Uldah, which is caused by everyone being in Uldah, which is caused by the main storyline leading to Uldah, and the fact that players need a communal space, especially when population is low.

^ I think they solved that issue in the last patch, retainers are now saved to their location so if the wards crash they should reappear at the same spot when they come back online again.

I do agree though, that an AH would almost never crash because there is less data being transferred.

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I still don't know why everyone is defending the retainer system.

Everything the devs will do with this system to make it more user friendly or intuitive will turn out to be extremely roundabout or awkward, because the base design of "NPCs selling your stuff in a separate zone like bazaars" is a bad design. There is nothing that this system does, that a system without retainers couldn't do better, easier, and for cheaper in terms of development costs.

Just because you can work with a system doesn't mean it's a GOOD one. SE pretty much spent extra effort to make a system that's WORSE than systems already available on other MMOs (including their own).

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Ok let me see if I can summarize the main complaints against AHs. If I miss any let me know.

1) An AH will have price histories and price histories will bring about the robot unicorn apocalypse.

2) The system we have now is PERFECT because we can now search for items, and any argument to the contrary automatically implies you are lazy.

3) AHs, because they are so simple and efficient, allow RMTs to thrive because when RMTs are confronted with a retainer ward (seeing as they aren't as intelligent as the next 10 year old that can figure out an MMO market system) they burst into flames of confusion, since they cannot possibly find out how to effectively thrive in a market ward system, and are forced back to the nether-dimension they came from.

4) AHs hurt my immersion? a.k.a. alienating me from my fantasy land with the horrors of quick, straightforward, efficient, informative and competitive global commerce. I don't know if that's even a real one but I figured it might be on Besaid.

5) Hmmm... ran out. Any other perfectly valid suggestions as to why the AH is the devil himself reincarnated as a fuzzy bunny reincarnated as a post office box ?

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Ok let me see if I can summarize the main complaints against AHs. If I miss any let me know.

1) An AH will have price histories and price histories will bring about the robot unicorn apocalypse.

2) The system we have now is PERFECT because we can now search for items, and any argument to the contrary automatically implies you are lazy.

3) AHs, because they are so simple and efficient, allow RMTs to thrive because when RMTs are confronted with a retainer ward (seeing as they aren't as intelligent as the next 10 year old that can figure out an MMO market system) they burst into flames of confusion, since they cannot possibly find out how to effectively thrive in a market ward system, and are forced back to the nether-dimension they came from.

4) AHs hurt my immersion? a.k.a. alienating me from my fantasy land with the horrors of quick, straightforward, efficient, informative and competitive global commerce. I don't know if that's even a real one but I figured it might be on Besaid.

5) Hmmm... ran out. Any other perfectly valid suggestions as to why the AH is the devil himself reincarnated as a fuzzy bunny reincarnated as a post office box ?

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I'd have to say these 5 points are arguable and hardly valid,

1 Price histories does not determine what an item is going for, that's determined by anyone who wants to sell. perhaps you should do some research on economics/supply and demand. Like the price others are selling for? buy the item. Don't like the price others are selling for? don't buy it at the price. it's easy. if you don't want to spend the gil go farm yourself you like to be immersed right?

2 System is not perfect, if it was perfect not so many people would have complained/left the game for it. not to mention all the crashes >.>; I think the system is getting overloaded with too many retainers and processes having to deal with each and every retainer/player/item. This game was also meant for the "Casual" player who doesn't have time to go run around looking for stuff remember?

3 You'll have RMT no matter what system... you just don't notice it as much in this system yet because there's a lack of people playing to make any real profit, not to mention there's just so much gil you can get just from doing the guildleves. No players no RMT >.>;

4 as far as your immersion goes that's just your opinion and how it affects you... but not others. others may feel differently and if you didn't notice there were many who complained which meant that it affected them enough... and as you can see a lack of population its also affecting the game, i'm sure they left for other reasons too but i'm sure many left for this one. but hey if it works for you i'm happy for you. sure it puts in a bit of realism as far as real shopping and deal hunting but keep in mind we are here to roleplay and play in a fantasy world... >.>; if I wanted the frustation, didn't feel like being lazy and had all the time in the world to shop then this would be ok. Not everyone has the extra time they want to spend running around.

5 if SE wants this game to succeed they will have to put in some sort of one counter market system, not retainers. it doesn't have to be an Auction house, just a trading post withouth having to search for retainers, load retainers, and other time consuming issues. SE has already lost a lot of players they really can't afford to lose any more. They've already delayed other games and resources. Try to come up with a more valid reason eh.

I don't think the main reason people left this game due to the the market system but I bet it was one of the top reasons.

GreyWolf, I think you must have somehow missed the generous slathering of sarcasm in AngryNixon's post. Might be worth it to dial it down a little, especially toward people who obviously agree with you.

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The market ward is pretty much the same thing as an AH, but with functions that prevent/slow the process of RMT. It's actually new and refreshing compared to the copy&paste AH we see in every single MMORPG. People complain because they have to walk to the retainer selling the item, but that's just being lazy. People seem to think that just because the system had a rough start out it's all the sudden a "failed feature, or not fixable" yet that's obviously NOT the case. Look at how far the system has gone, and look at how many less people talk about this subject. Keep in mind, that the original market ward system, was not a finished product, and even now still has room for improvement. Regardless, the MW's are better and more interesting.

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Don't forget... we ARE playing a video game. Unless I'm waaaaaay out of the loop, we didn't get motion controls with FFXIV. I don't see how adding ease-of-play to a "sit still for hours - do nothing" game is lazy. And it seems that the other MMORPGs are doing a little better than this game. Majority wins IMO.

There are some things about the retainer system that I do enjoy and hope that they never get rid of them. The trouble I have is when I'm sitting on 50+ items that I want to circulate into the economy... it just takes way too long to look everything up for what it's selling for. There also seems to be a little too much redundancy in the MWs (also the game, but thats on other threads) that really dosn't have to be.

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GreyWolf, I think you must have somehow missed the generous slathering of sarcasm in AngryNixon's post. Might be worth it to dial it down a little, especially toward people who obviously agree with you.

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LOL... good grief. I know sometimes sarcasm doesn't carry through in text well but I thought "robot unicorn apocalypse" was a painfully clear. oh well. Serious response is serious.

Another victory for skimming and misinterpretation. Those two are so far ahead of logical response and thoughtful consideration that they're phoning it in now.

P.S. Slightly sad nobody thought of any of the other arguments against an AH. I could swear over the months there were a bit more than 4 "valid" arguments against them.

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LOL... good grief. I know sometimes sarcasm doesn't carry through in text well but I thought "robot unicorn apocalypse" was a painfully clear. oh well. Serious response is serious.

Another victory for skimming and misinterpretation. Those two are so far ahead of logical response and thoughtful consideration that they're phoning it in now.

P.S. Slightly sad nobody thought of any of the other arguments against an AH. I could swear over the months there were a bit more than 4 "valid" arguments against them.

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The market wards are fine for me at least it is different, AH is a RMT market for undercutting, market wards crashing is not a bad thing it keeps RMT from selling there wares for like a month at a time.

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The market wards are fine for me at least it is different, AH is a RMT market for undercutting, market wards crashing is not a bad thing it keeps RMT from selling there wares for like a month at a time.

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lol Manti, point 3 in my original post (#20). Got RMT doom covered.

Also the crashing wards prevents everyone from engaging in trade not just the RMTs. Which is I guess is ok, nobody needed to trade anything quickly or efficiently anyhow. Farming everything yourself with hard work and determination and being entirely self sufficient is the way to go. It helps me maintain ultra immersion in my RP life re-enacting Robinson Crusoe in an FFXIV setting.

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4) AHs hurt my immersion? a.k.a. alienating me from my fantasy land with the horrors of quick, straightforward, efficient, informative and competitive global commerce. I don't know if that's even a real one but I figured it might be on Besaid.

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Just have to say, as a proud member of an RP linkshell on Besaid, having an AH wouldn't hurt my immersion in the least. Quicker buying/selling means more time to actually do what the hell I want to do. Everything related to crafting and the markets already takes entirely too much time that I could be spending elsewhere doing something enjoyable. What *does* hurt my immersion is rummaging through mountains of lifeless (well, mostly lifeless after the creepy shuffling zombie patch) bodies standing for hours on end searching for the one character with a giant blazing star over their head.

I must say, the only thing I like about the wards at the moment is being able to actually see certain items on other characters before you purchase them. Then again, an item preview of sorts would remedy that.

In all honesty, though, I've learned to put up with the wards, but that's also because I've never really had anything better. I never played FFXI, so I'm not sure what their AH is like, but I can't see how it could be worse.

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Just have to say, as a proud member of an RP linkshell on Besaid, having an AH wouldn't hurt my immersion in the least. Quicker buying/selling means more time to actually do what the hell I want to do. Everything related to crafting and the markets already takes entirely too much time that I could be spending elsewhere doing something enjoyable. What *does* hurt my immersion is rummaging through mountains of lifeless (well, mostly lifeless after the creepy shuffling zombie patch) bodies standing for hours on end searching for the one character with a giant blazing star over their head.

I must say, the only thing I like about the wards at the moment is being able to actually see certain items on other characters before you purchase them. Then again, an item preview of sorts would remedy that.

In all honesty, though, I've learned to put up with the wards, but that's also because I've never really had anything better. I never played FFXI, so I'm not sure what their AH is like, but I can't see how it could be worse.

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lol, wow Martyr. Thanks. That was the most positive rational thing I've read in over a month. It's nice to know someone who RPs doesn't even like it. I've heard a lot of garbage about this MW being some fantastical experience enhancing thing that adds to the realism of commerce in the game... Nice to know some people disagree.

I don't see why you all blame SE for making people goto "Ul'dah with the mainline quests". Unless the quest is to summon your retainer inside Ul'dah...then the choice is completely up to the player where they summon their retainer. Its not because of the mainline quest ending in Ul'dah. Its just the trade hub for XIV. Jeuno was XI. Jita is Eve online. Im sure WoW has a main AH or city or area where majority of the trading goes on. All games do it. You wouldn't have this problem if you didn't summon your retainer in Ul'dah and used a different city...why do you do it?? Because its easiest way to access goods. Its the easiest way for humans to trade goods. Its the most efficient way we can do things giving our circumstances. Simplicity. Human like to keep things simple and crowding in a main area to trade goods is easiest. If we all want to summon retainers in Ul'dah...then who cares...why can't we?

Also, your exaggerating on the hours to find a star above a retainers head...its points you to the ward, name and puts a icon above the head. easy...considering 90% of the retainers are in one city, how much more hard can it get :/

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I don't see why you all blame SE for making people goto "Ul'dah with the mainline quests". Unless the quest is to summon your retainer inside Ul'dah...then the choice is completely up to the player where they summon their retainer. Its not because of the mainline quest ending in Ul'dah. Its just the trade hub for XIV. Jeuno was XI. Jita is Eve online. Im sure WoW has a main AH or city or area where majority of the trading goes on. All games do it. You wouldn't have this problem if you didn't summon your retainer in Ul'dah and used a different city...why do you do it?? Because its easiest way to access goods. Its the easiest way for humans to trade goods. Its the most efficient way we can do things giving our circumstances. Simplicity. Human like to keep things simple and crowding in a main area to trade goods is easiest. If we all want to summon retainers in Ul'dah...then who cares...why can't we?

Also, your exaggerating on the hours to find a star above a retainers head...its points you to the ward, name and puts a icon above the head. easy...considering 90% of the retainers are in one city, how much more hard can it get :/

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Yes, we'd have picked somewhere to congregate, and we'd have set up almost all our retainers there, no matter what. Why did we pick Uldah? Because after spending 20 anima warping around to do a quest, spending 3 more to get to another city doesn't sound appealing, especially when you know this is gonna happen again in a few levels. Heck, some people stay so low on anima that they can't teleport somewhere else, and running sounds even less fun.

Also, you misunderstood Martyr's comment, I believe. He was saying that the retainers are lifeless and just stand there for hours on end doing nothing but impersonating zombies.

As an aside, WoW still does the natural congregation trick, but it's not based on trade. The trade in all their capital cities are linked, via both AH and /trade channel. Biggest reason people still gather together in the same city is for partying, I'd say.

I've heard a great many people comment that the retainers impersonate zombies and seem lifeless. I for one think this is a great idea. If anything they aren't zombie like enough. I would love to have a retainer that just stands there groaning and eying your brain as you buy things from him. It might even be better if they slowly lurch towards you as you're walking through the wards with that hungry look in their eyes. Also if they looked undead (not the cheap FF version that are just black character models, that's lazy), that would be great.

Commerce is far more interesting when you have to conduct your transactions under the impending threat of being eaten by the undead.

Please SE more zombies.

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Yes, we'd have picked somewhere to congregate, and we'd have set up almost all our retainers there, no matter what. Why did we pick Uldah? Because after spending 20 anima warping around to do a quest, spending 3 more to get to another city doesn't sound appealing, especially when you know this is gonna happen again in a few levels. Heck, some people stay so low on anima that they can't teleport somewhere else, and running sounds even less fun.

Also, you misunderstood Martyr's comment, I believe. He was saying that the retainers are lifeless and just stand there for hours on end doing nothing but impersonating zombies.

As an aside, WoW still does the natural congregation trick, but it's not based on trade. The trade in all their capital cities are linked, via both AH and /trade channel. Biggest reason people still gather together in the same city is for partying, I'd say.

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wow now its the amount of anime that you all in ul'dah?!? come on...thats BS. 3 anime to teleport somewhere is next to nothing. No one is making you teleport like a maniac...why you teleport THAT much. Its also not the only way to travel. One thing I've realized is how lazy FFXIV players are. You lucky there is a free teleport system in place...your even luckier that the anime use isn't like what it used to be and even luckier that anime recharges by itself. You guys will never be pleased LOL
I seriously haven't dropped below 50 anime since release...but anyway I don't see how being low on anime makes people goto ul'dah.

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Angry, you are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters on these boards.

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wow now its the amount of anime that you all in ul'dah?!? come on...thats BS. 3 anime to teleport somewhere is next to nothing.
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I seriously haven't dropped below 50 anime since release...but anyway I don't see how being low on anime makes people goto ul'dah.

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With all due respect, maybe you've never dropped below 50 anima because you have barely played the game since release. Your highest job is rank 17. It takes a couple of hours to get to that point. Other people probably have less anima because they play more. If you've barely played the game, and you've gotten down to 50 anima, then that's probably better evidence that people don't have enough anima under the current system.

And in your example, the teleport to Uldah is not just 3 anima. You have to teleport to Uldah and back. Which is 6 anima. You regenerate only 6 anima per day. Add in teleporting to at least two different camps for leves (12 anima), 3 different camps for NMs (18 anima), a couple more cities and camps for the occasional storyline/job quests, and you're quickly out of anima.

Yes, you can spend 5 hours a day running to all those places instead. But I prefer to play FFXIV for the battle/leveling. If I wanted to do a long-distance running simulator, I'd stick with QWOP.

I drop below 50 anime if i'm crafting all day doing local leves and lazy. How can I run all the time when the landscape puts me to sleep.

I haven't dropped below 50 anime cause I don't tele everywhere and don't sit there using anime to quest. I walk places. Anime has nothing to do with it anyways...you use your anime up...too bad. walk.

Can't believe how lazy you guys are.

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wow now its the amount of anime that you all in ul'dah?!? come on...thats BS. 3 anime to teleport somewhere is next to nothing. No one is making you teleport like a maniac...why you teleport THAT much. Its also not the only way to travel. One thing I've realized is how lazy FFXIV players are. You lucky there is a free teleport system in place...your even luckier that the anime use isn't like what it used to be and even luckier that anime recharges by itself. You guys will never be pleased LOL
I seriously haven't dropped below 50 anime since release...but anyway I don't see how being low on anime makes people goto ul'dah.

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Just a note: I'll take your next post more seriously if you manage to stop confusing a game feature for a cartoon.

That said, it's time to respond (expect sarcasm here)! It's not "3 anime (sic)," it's 3 anima to get back to Uldah when I'm done with leves, where I just hit the rank to get my next quest. Then 3 anima to get over to Gridania, because that's the next stage of the quest. Then a lively run over to Mor Dhona, because I've never been to the next camp. Then 3 more anima to get back to Gridania, because SE knows I hate the entire Black Shroud area. And, as much as I'd love to just return to Uldah, I actually picked up a few new nodes along the way, so it's 3 more anima to get back to turn in my quest.

Mind you, that's 12 anima, assuming that I've done 0 other teleports that day. And I'm sorry, but unless I want to wait for the weekend, there's no way I can make all that running in one sitting, so, yes, I'm going to teleport. I'm also going to teleport if I have 5 minutes to get to my leve party in Nophica and I'm just now logging in in Uldah because my work schedule sucks. I might also volunteer to teleport that same party over to Broken Water, because I don't mind using my anima for LS mates.

What I do mind is being called lazy for using a game system as intended to accomplish an in-game objective, then trying to use it sparingly until next time I need it. I'm actually probably sitting at 100 anima right now, and I haven't had to walk anywhere since shortly after CE release. There are basically two options for not using anima: run everywhere or don't go anywhere. I don't have the time to run from Uldah to Gridania to Coerthas back to Gridania back to Uldah; even if I did, I don't enjoy running that much. I'd so much rather be fighting, or watching a scene play out.

As for your comment about "never be(ing) pleased," I'm actually happy with the way SE's handling the game at this point. In fact, my only major complaint about the game at the moment is ten-minute disconnects, and I think pretty much everyone agrees that those need to go.

ide rather have them working on end game content instead of an AH

@AngryNixon

I seem to have misinterpreted m(_ _)m, my apologies. i've seen quite too many anti-AH posts I guess and took this to be another. It just really doesn't make any sense to me how a Market Ward would be overall any better than an Auction house. it perplexes me really.... I used to be a long time FFXI player and was hoping this would be a FFXI-2 sort of speak and was extremely disappointed with what has turned up.

PS the only arguement about the Auction houses in FFXI is that they were always too closely placed together... I mean there was always a lot of people in the area that it's kinda hard to move around in having to run into other players all the time. I've yet to see any valid arguments myself though.

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Originally Posted by Smokie23

I haven't dropped below 50 anime cause I don't tele everywhere and don't sit there using anime to quest. I walk places. Anime has nothing to do with it anyways...you use your anime up...too bad. walk.

Can't believe how lazy you guys are.

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Smokie, your non-laziness and dedication is an example for us all. You, sir, are a paragon of discipline.

Looking at your Lodestone page, you've got one class to r16, one class to r10, ... and that's it for battle classes. You haven't even equipped the weapons for the other classes.

In other words, over the last 6 months, you've probably done two sets of leves.

Looks like you don't use anima to quest. Because you don't quest. And you don't teleport everywhere, because you don't go anywhere.

And yet your anima has gotten down to 50. So, despite having done pretty much nothing so far in the game, you've managed to deplete half your anima.

Congratulations. You're now Exhibit A in the argument for increased anima.