Midgardsormr

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Originally Posted by "Fernehalwes

Yoshi-p dropped a few bombs last week revealing that both Midgardsormr and Nidhogg were not primals, but dragon ‘kings.’

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But I... but... what? Maybe I'm just not far enough in the main scenario? ... (Thanks for the heads up, @MikotoXIV!)

Does anyone in-game refer to Midgardsormr as a Primal? I remember in Gaius' speech he calls it a 'Lord among dragons' or something, not an Eikon or anything.

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

Does anyone in-game refer to Midgardsormr as a Primal? I remember in Gaius' speech he calls it a 'Lord among dragons' or something, not an Eikon or anything.

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Bingo. Either something has gotten lost in translation, or there has been a significant retcon.

Seems like midgarosmer lost his elder primal status for getting killed, but yea he was originally refered to as primal for drakes the lesser cousin s of dragons.

I realize you all are expecting a witty response from our resident loremaster but, alas, he is indisposed. So, in his stead, allow me to clarify in my own way:

Midgardsormr ain't a primal.

No ifs, ands, or buts. It’s a mistake, plain and simple. Our sincerest apologies for the confusion.

So there are creatures equally powerfull to primals in lore-wise?

That makes for a really good start point for new enemies in the futere. Lore-wise... Of course we can defeat all of em. But it would be nice to have a third kind of enemy besides primals, their beastmen and the garlean empire.

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Originally Posted by Corvinoobus

Midgardsormr ain't a primal.

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Thank you very much for clearing that up, Corvin!

Corvi? Noobus? Puddinoobus? Get back to me, we'll think of something.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

So there are creatures equally powerfull to primals in lore-wise?

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If I may be so bold as to make such a sweeping generalization, I think this harkens back to ancient Greece (on which Eorzea is based). If the Twelve are the Olympians and the Primals are the Titans, these great creatures would be the giants and dragons. Notice that when Midgardsormr perished, he did not dissolve into aetheric mist - he is not concentrated aether (which is what all physically manifest "deities" in Eorzea seem to be).

Midgardsormr, a king among dragons, über boss of kick-arse. I can live with that.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Thank you very much for clearing that up, Corvin!

Corvi? Noobus? Puddinoobus? Get back to me, we'll think of something.

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Corv. Let's go with Corv.

The Dragons are a Beast Clan if i remember

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Originally Posted by AranWade

The Dragons are a Beast Clan if i remember

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They are. The boundaries between "scalekin" and "dravanian" are a little blurry at the moment, but we're getting there.There's always the chance that dravanians are scalekin, but that would be awkward as Ixal are spoken, not cloudkin. I'd expect the Dravanians to be spoken as well... but... who knows, like I said, the boundaries are kind of blurry right now, lol.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

They are. The boundaries between "scalekin" and "dravanian" are a little blurry at the moment, but we're getting there.There's always the chance that dravanians are scalekin, but that would be awkward as Ixal are spoken, not cloudkin. I'd expect the Dravanians to be spoken as well... but... who knows, like I said, the boundaries are kind of blurry right now, lol.

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yea especially they seemed to be sentient enough to be able to wage infiltration war with Ishgard, so I would think their aggression has something to do with them summoning/waking/losing their king and I would think its the Ishgard that did it, they made Midgarsomr fight the Empire and had promised support but they didn't support so that was what caused war between them. because from what I understand there were hostilities before the Empire's advance into Ala Mihgo but there wasn't open war, the open war only started after the Silvertear.

We do know that Ishgard actually INVANDED Dravania to settle, they're not any more innocent than the Limsa people.
Also there's a thing to take into account about Dravanians- I don't think everything that is labelled as a "Dravanian" is a proper thinking one. I know that the Dravanian Outfliers are reffered to as "mindless scouts" at least once, at least one of the Coerthas quests seem to suggest that there is some degree of mind control in effect (that prisioner, who seems to have wholly lost his mind after, I presume, losing his link). And we do know that the Azure Dragoon has a sort of empathic link with at least Nidhogg if not whatever hive-mind the dravanians have.
I'm fairly certain at this point that only the ones higher in the control chain are actually thinking beings.

Sounds like something Anne MacCaffery would write. :) The dragons we've fought so far seem to be no better than animals. Aiatar and Svara just yell and drool. We've seen people actually attempt to turn into dragons, the azure dragoon in the AF quest and the Final Quest in Coerthas before you fight Garuda. The NPCs yell that it's just a glamour, but that "glamour" hits pretty hard. It would be interesting to see how many dragons are actually former human beings.