I want to say I LOVE all the SE games and I know I'm not the only one. FFXI is one of my top 3 MMO's of all time and I have to admit the fact that they created a brand new game (ffxiv version 2) in just 3 years of this caliber is pretty freaking amazing. Other than the issues we are having, the game is phenomenal. They truly out did themselves and innovated an amazing game.
Now with that said, the issues that we are having where apparent on Beta phase 4. I would of rather had them tell us they would delay launch and maybe give us an extra 30 days free or an in-game gift than try to put out a game that was not 80-90% playable. I always though they should have done that in version 1 but their way of thinking is different and I'm sure they had their reasons.
What I don't understand is the following. There is no way you can tell me they would have never known how popular the game was going to be. All they had to do was add up the numbers, data they would have in hand. Its actually a very easy calculation.
Number of people participating in beta + Number of people who preordered + Number of people from FFXIV version 1 = Close Estimation of people who would play the game.
Now get this. This is where it gets fun.
If (Estimation => Server Capacity) then (ALERT) we have a problem!!
What I can't figure out for the life of me is how they came up with 25 servers for Japan and 25 servers for the rest of the world.
Japan has a population of 127.8 million.
U.S.A alone has a population of 313.9 million!! This is not counting the rest of North America, Europe, Latin America and who ever else they consider 'the rest of the world'.
I'm kind of disappointed that this time around they segregated JP versus everyone else. This was one of the amazing things they accomplished in FFXI, not only did I learn a little bit of kanji but I also got to befriend some awesome JP players. Plus I wasn't working at the time so I played during non peek hours and it was great login in and seeing tons of people online.
I'm a huge fan and I know they will fix it, soon I hope. They truly are great game makers and I hope they are able to mend their reputation.
Simple math would of solved all your problems
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08-28-2013, 07:37 AMAaerieSimple math would of solved all your problems
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08-28-2013, 07:41 AMChaoticDarkGriever
The matter may be compounded later on when the game kicks in for the PlayStation 4. They have plenty of time to correct this huge error, but I'm not holding my darn breath about it.
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08-28-2013, 07:55 AMWingsofWarhow do you know this is a capacity problem? Do you even know what hardware the servers are using and at what rated capacity? Before SE added new servers during the last half of p4 and through EA, they have been having server issues already that did not point towards issues with capacity, rather logic errors in user run times based on the error messages we got in DF and other instances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaerie
Adding more servers wouldn't solve this 1017 problem, if it did, we would all be playing right now since SE can afford more servers. No this is a CODE issue, and adding more servers would only make the matter worse.
When SE said, " we are placing login restrictions to address server instability issues.." what do you think they ment? making the servers smaller? or placing a filter on the quantity of incoming user login requests?
Im willing to bet my server Diabolos is only running at 1/3 of the actual server capacity right now. And those who are getting 1017 errors are getting blocked by this filter before even accessing the request tunnel. Meaning the "SERVER FULL" is likely a defaulted false message when the client hits the filter. -
08-28-2013, 08:08 AMAaerieHow do I know? Because they said so themselves in the following link: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...d7c59b9e695188Quote:
Originally Posted by WingsofWar
08/27/2013 5:03 AM
Regarding Congestion in Japan Data Center Worlds (Aug. 27)
Thank you very much for playing FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn.
Currently, an extremely high number of players are enjoying the game. Should the number of players continue to increase at the current pace, there is the possibility that our expectations and server capacity will be greatly surpassed. Therefore, in order to maintain a stable gameplay environment, we are implementing login and character creation restrictions.
In order to be able to welcome a drastically greater number of players, we are starting as early as this week with preparations to increase our facilities, to be ready by early next week. Until that time, we will be continuing to implement these restrictions as required, and we ask for your understanding and patience.
We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience, and once again thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this matter. -
08-28-2013, 08:11 AMCyanide>Regarding Congestion in Japan Data Center WorldsQuote:
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08-28-2013, 08:15 AMbbranco
Dc all afk after 10 min and half of the prob ll be solved... i have friends that never dc and the game dont dc then... so ... lots of afk and lots of ppl trying to log and having 1017 error.. it sux
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08-28-2013, 08:18 AMWingsofWarJP servers are reaching server capacity, and they haven't had the same 1017 issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaerie
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08-28-2013, 08:20 AMGlasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Aaerie
WingsofWar you just got pwned!Sorry it's been a frustrating day. Aaerie you should be ashamed!
Actually I'm partially to blame, I've been a strong advocate of having as many NA/EU players go play on JP servers because we can't play on NA/EU servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by WingsofWar
I figured that once JP servers get overloaded then SE will realize hey we'd better fix this fast before our own countrymen demand Seppuku!! -
08-28-2013, 08:24 AMWingsofWarQuote:
Originally Posted by Glason
did you just open your mouth and go full retard? he linked to a issue regarding JAPAN DATA CENTER, and we are talking about NA servers.. AND did nothing to support his claims about NA server capacity. AND I GET PWNED?
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08-28-2013, 08:35 AMAaerie
It could of been a typo on their part and meant NA/EU if your comment about JP servers not having issues is true. Regardless, here is the same thing from the "An Apology to Our Players Using NA/EU Data Centers". http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/68427
Although we have successfully addressed a number of serious issues in the past several days, we have nevertheless decided to implement login restrictions for the time being due to the extremely heavy load being placed upon the servers. In this way, we can ensure that the maximum number of players can play the game without risking a server crash. I know no one wants to wait to log in, but I hope you all understand why we believe this precaution is necessary.
[NA] Regarding Character Creation and Login Restrictions (Aug. 26)
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-%28Aug.-26%29
As we continue to monitor the situation, we will be allowing players to log in sequentially. This will unfortunately have the effect of causing wait times for logins to these worlds, but this is a necessary step for the sake of server stability, and we ask for your understanding and patience during this time.
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08-28-2013, 08:45 AMWingsofWaryeah could have been a typo. But if it wasn't, I really read it quite differently. Extremely Heavy Load on servers can literally be anything, even a loop that hasn't closed properly can run CPUs forever, and if you have 10 clients on a 50 client capacity server running the same loop you have x% more load than you should on a server.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaerie
Also Login Restrictions was the key word for me, as they also said maximum number of players without risking a server crash. I interpreted it as the login in requests were putting more load on the servers than it should causing instability. They still have a max capacity on the server, but the login restrictions is the filter our clients are hitting when we see the 1017 "full server" when the server isn't full at all. but that is my guess.
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08-28-2013, 08:52 AMSzalviasYeah, and that is what is irritating me, and likely many people. It's not the wait, it's that you can't queue up and go get a sandwich or something, but you have to either not play or repeatedly try to login. It's a bit more than just a wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by WingsofWar
Possible solution: pretend like the launch is a month from now. By then half the subs will have left because of this and everything will be just fine! Maybe. -
08-28-2013, 09:00 AMWingsofWarexactly, that is kinda whats been leading me to believe that the 1017 error everyone is seeing is actually just a filter, and doesn't correspond with the server being full at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Szalvias
and only a very small randomized number of players that attempt to log in actually gets into the request tunnel, in which is a line of X amount of players, which ends up in a que. So spamming 1017s is not doing anything against the server since your not really logging in, rather just returning tons of false alerts. -
08-28-2013, 09:02 AMAaerie
Its frustrating, a Que would be a nicer screen than having to hit the start button over and over again and getting people to not log out once in. This is why I'm baffled that they couldn't do the math and foresee this. Not even foresee ...but considered it as a possibility of something that could go wrong 'should' it happen.
I mean we are in 2013, load balancing servers in this day an age is possible and should not take this long. Not to mention it should of been part of their plan from day one.