the marketwards

why is it i can only sell one at a time or a whole stack? just checked why my things were not selling because they had to by the whole stack.

i cant put up a stack to sell one by one. why did they remove this from 1.0?

sure hope they add that feature back just like the need the quest tracking tabs back. dont understand SE alot of the time.

I might be missing something here, but have you tried...manually splitting the stack?

Don't get me wrong, this should be possible, but manual splitting should work for the meantime.

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Originally Posted by FluffyM

I might be missing something here, but have you tried...manually splitting the stack?

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You shouldn't have to. It should be possible to sell a stack of items with an individual price.

Not to be disagreeable for the sake of disagreement, but this is pretty standard practice for most mmos. You either sell singles or a stack, but not singles out of the stack. I know you could in 1.0, but do you really want to have a discussion about the market wards in 1.0? Out of everything that was wrong at launch, that was one of the more backbreaking elements for me.

I don't see it as being a feature that would hurt anything, but it's not something that's going to have a major impact if it's not there.

You should be able to select how many you want out of that stack just like in 1.0. If you go to the grocery store and want 3 apples, you don't end up buying a box of them right?

Kind of silly you can't in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by BedroomRockstar01

Not to be disagreeable for the sake of disagreement, but this is pretty standard practice for most mmos. You either sell singles or a stack, but not singles out of the stack. I know you could in 1.0, but do you really want to have a discussion about the market wards in 1.0? Out of everything that was wrong at launch, that was one of the more backbreaking elements for me.

I don't see it as being a feature that would hurt anything, but it's not something that's going to have a major impact if it's not there.

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it is a major impact i can only sell singles, i sell in 1,5,10 only the ones sell. or if i need 33 and people are selling 99 or 1 im stuck either buying more then i need or buy the one and wait till more are up for sell.

in 1.0 you could sell a stack as a stack, you can sell a stack but let people buy by ones and it saves room and give you a choice.

you can split the stacks and then put em on the marketboard.

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Originally Posted by KevLar

You should be able to select how many you want out of that stack just like in 1.0. If you go to the grocery store and want 3 apples, you don't end up buying a box of them right?

Kind of silly you can't in my opinion.

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No, but if I want three strawberries, I have to buy the full container. >_>

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Originally Posted by pochte

you can split the stacks and then put em on the marketboard.

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i know, but that not what im talking about.

its just another good system from 1.0 they didnt bother to re-use now your stuck with that limitation. hell even old FFXI let you sell stacks but let you choose how many you need out the bazaar, thats what your retainer is a bazaar.

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Originally Posted by BedroomRockstar01

Not to be disagreeable for the sake of disagreement, but this is pretty standard practice for most mmos. You either sell singles or a stack, but not singles out of the stack. I know you could in 1.0, but do you really want to have a discussion about the market wards in 1.0? Out of everything that was wrong at launch, that was one of the more backbreaking elements for me.

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What MMO's have you played? WoW, Rift and so many others allow you to specify the stack size... Thus what was a stack of 20 dingleberries can be split into 4 stacks of 5, 2 stacks of 10, 20 stacks of 1 and so on... Thus you can sell singles of a stack.

Started a thread regarding this in beta and was met with an army of white knights flaming. While I like to defend what I think is a good game I just don't understand people defending the few things that could be improved and improved easily. The dev team responded to a previous question on this subject with the reply that the system was working as intended. I'd much rather we could sell singles from a stack like in 1.0.

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Originally Posted by charlemagne

Started a thread regarding this in beta and was met with an army of white knights flaming. While I like to defend what I think is a good game I just don't understand people defending the few things that could be improved and improved easily. The dev team responded to a previous question on this subject with the reply that the system was working as intended. I'd much rather we could sell singles from a stack like in 1.0.

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same here made a few post about a few things but got flamed for pointing it out.
people rather stick with a limited system then one that works great.

just like SE removed the quest tracking box where you can choose which quest you want to track in beta phase 3.

I don't really want to buy a stack of 999 thunder shards for 800k gold or whatever, when all I need is one to craft something as a Weaver.

I had absolutely no problems selling shards/crystals back in 1.0 with people only buying what they needed from me. I like being able to buy the exact amount I want and I would like my buyers to be able to buy the exact amount they want from me.

The thing to consider is that while this is an issue for some people and not for others, the chance that it will be identified and acknowledged may or may not exist. Bringing it up is totally fine. You are entitled to your opinion on all aspects of this game. Allow me to provide some advice: be proactive about it. Now that you know the problem exists for you, you can take charge of it.

You don't have to just sell 1 or 99. You'll have to do some extra work by splitting the stacks, but you'll probably find that it pays off better. Sell stacks at varying numbers. So, put some up for 1. Put up 10. You can string it out. Not only will that work better for you, but you'll be able to spot trends. If you sold at 1, 10, 20, 33, 66, and 99, you could see what's the most commonly sold amount. You can make more of those stacks versus more of another, so that you don't have product just sitting on the Market waiting to be purchased.

Here's the thing, new players have no idea how we used to sell items in 1.0 so they will be like "oh this is fine", where as those of us who played 1.0 realise what has been taken away from the market selling and buying.

I made a post in the market-ward thread, please like it if you agree, so we can get this changed.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...the-marketward.

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Originally Posted by charlemagne

Started a thread regarding this in beta and was met with an army of white knights flaming.

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Funny isn't it, I think its less white knights and more devious people trying to take advantage of buyers though.

well as it is right now, it at least enables you to do "discounts" on larger stacks.
now you can go telling people to buy more than they need to, just because of "value"... while waiting for them fix the whole thing/add the feature back in.

The best option to be able to sell ANY amount a buyer wants is use BINARY NUMBERS
Put up stacks that each one is different power of 2 and buyer can buy any number he wants. Then seller can replace sold "bits".

You guys dont get it. Dont buy the 99 then, buy the 1 at a few extra gil. If you could sell a stack, one item at a time, what would the market look like? Think about it for a second. Iron ingot, for instance. 28 listings earlier. most around 40, some at 100 highest, some at 15 lowest.

Iron Ore costs 18 per off vendor, 3 makes 1 iron ingot. Thats 54, base price per ingot. Most BS/AS will make and deal with hundreds of iron ingots.

Now imagine the system working how you say it should- 5 stacks of 99 Iron Ingots, 60 per. Okay, well I HAVE to sell mine too right? So I put them at 59, then its 58, 57, 56, 55- FREE!!! JUST BUY MINE AND NOT THE OTHER GUYS!!!!

As it is ive been in the MIDDLE of the Market board (not highest price, not lowest price) and sold my items because I made the right sale choice. If it was the way you suggest, the whole system would fail miserably.

Bring back Market wards and Bazaars!!! Thatll fix it!!!

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Originally Posted by Bizzybeast

Now imagine the system working how you say it should- 5 stacks of 99 Iron Ingots, 60 per. Okay, well I HAVE to sell mine too right? So I put them at 59, then its 58, 57, 56, 55- FREE!!! JUST BUY MINE AND NOT THE OTHER GUYS!!!!

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Good point !

Oh wait no its not, cause undercutting is already happening, doesn't matter the size of the stack, most people will undercut just to get on the top of the list and sell their items the fastest.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Good point !

Oh wait no its not, cause undercutting is already happening, doesn't matter the size of the stack, most people will undercut just to get on the top of the list and sell their items the fastest.

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Excellent counter point, oh wait no its not because if they sell their items faster then mine can be sold too. If they have an endless supply of said items, the lowest price WILL ALWAYS BE THE ONLY PRICE BOUGHT AT. They can put down 20 stacks of 99, ensuring NO ONE will ever sell that item again.

Do you people even use your brains around here?

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Originally Posted by Bizzybeast

Excellent counter point, oh wait no its not because if they sell their items faster then mine can be sold too. If they have an endless supply of said items, the lowest price WILL ALWAYS BE THE ONLY PRICE BOUGHT AT. They can put down 20 stacks of 99, ensuring NO ONE will ever sell that item again.

Do you people even use your brains around here?

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use your brain too someone else will just under cut the 20 stacks of 99. reason we need to sell sinlges from a stack everyone wins.

I got caught out by this since I'm used to MMO's that let you choose how many in a stack you want to purchase. So I clicked on a stack of 40, thinking the spilt choice would pop up.. but nope.. I ended up forking over 40k gil for the whole stack.

Not amused. I think the only people who would be happy with the current system is those looking to sucker people into buying whole stacks by mistake.

I split stacks in 20 20 20 20 19 and sell food like that. easiest solution I could find I wont waste my time selling food singles, people can buy in 20s

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Originally Posted by indira

use your brain too someone else will just under cut the 20 stacks of 99. reason we need to sell sinlges from a stack everyone wins.

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Really dumb response. Ill use YOUR brain for you. You said "everybody wins", the point is that ONLY ONE PERSON WINS. If Bob sells iron ore, 5 per, you WONT BUY Tim's Iron Ore at 6 per.

If Bob sells bulk Iron Ore at 5 per, Tim can sell smaller amounts at 6 per, BOTH are valid sales and BOTH have a chance at selling.

Price undermining is going to happen no matter what, no duh dude, but to ENCOURAGE it to this degree will destroy the already terrible economy and market system. Bring back Market Wards and Bazaars, only way to fix it..

So once again I, seemingly the only barer of common sense, decline this terribly piss poor idea.

The issue here isn't that we can't specify the size of the stacks, it's that the purchaser can't purchase only what they need.

they should be able to buy just 1 from our stack, or the whole thing, just like they could in 1.0

It's hardly a leap of logic to see which is better for everyone.

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

The issue here... is that the purchaser can't purchase only what they need.

they should be able to buy just 1 from our stack

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I couldn't disagree more. The market wards are for selling items. The puropose if for the seller to earn money and for players to find items that they want to acquire. If you only need a small quantity of an item, go farm it yourself.

Too often people take for granted that people who actually take the time to level a Disicple of the Hand crafting job or a DoL job are trying to rip the lower level players off. Quite the contrary, they are providing a service and are due to be compensated.

If you want my stuff, then you need to buy all of it. Nothing, and I repeat, nothing prevents the purchaser from reselling any amount that they don't use.

So, then what is the problem? Don't you tip your wait staff? Probably not.

File this under: Working as Intended!

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Originally Posted by pochte

you can split the stacks and then put em on the marketboard.

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My problem is that the seller did not do that for me. I need 1 damn Pixie Plum, but people are selling 99 plums or 93 plums. This is crazy.

I mean I don't mind having to buy 5 or 10 or 20 when I only need 1, but buying 90 or 99? UGH! Not to mention that the price is ridiculously high. It is like 18000gil a stack. Come on, I usually earn just about 7 gil selling my old gear to an NPC. LOL.

I can see the point about stack being not full and highly likely won't be depleted to 0, causing the market to clog up.

It would be great, however, if sellers would be considerate enough to sell stuff in a bulk of lower quantity. Maybe if the Retainer has the options to select from, like, to sell by 1 (individual), by 10, by 30, by 50, or by 99. That would be more encouraging for the seller to try to split (without having to split manually) before selling.

It's the SELLER's choice (fault) for choosing to sell a full stack of an item rather than 1,5,10,any denomination other than 99/999.

To the people wanting to be able to buy 1 of a stack of 99...no.

I understand the reasoning and the want for it but I don't think SE should implement a feature where you can just buy 1 item out of a stack. In the MMOs mentioned before I don't recall ever being able to say, "I don't want to buy a full stack, just want 1" and being able to do so. It's always been up to the SELLER to set the quantity.

To people saying you can't specify the qty you sell, what game are you playing? I've been selling stacks of 10 and 25 since the beginning of Open Beta.

This choice makes so that there is far more to buying and selling than just the simple usual "I'll undercut" and "I'll buy at the lowest unit price". I.e. it leads to interesting gameplay decisions, which I very much enjoy.

Very recently I bought an item that had a higher unit price because the lower unit price required me to buy far more units.:p

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Originally Posted by HurtigeKarl

This choice makes so that there is far more to buying and selling than just the simple usual "I'll undercut" and "I'll buy at the lowest unit price". I.e. it leads to interesting gameplay decisions, which I very much enjoy.

Very recently I bought an item that had a higher unit price because the lower unit price required me to buy far more units.:p

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This is a positive dynamic that a lot of current MMO auction houses have and it's such a minor thing but leads to a lot more interesting than "make it so I get the cheapest thing of what I want in a quantity that I need".

You actually have to sift through prices if you don't want to screw yourself over.