Hamlet Defense?

I was just wondering if this system is still on plan for introduction? I have not seen anything written about it in a while?

maybe it will be connected with companies, hopefully one of the community reps can look into this for us?

I was always intrigued as to what that will be like, and if its still coming into the game.

I still think it is, just probably still a ways off. Companies kind of went MIA for a long while and now we're not too far off from them at least getting started. I'm guessing hamlets will tie in with companies quite a bit. Btw Figaro ftw! ^^

That's my thinking also. Would be cool to tie those two systems since its easy to make them go hand in hand if it is battle and storyline oriented and the lore has room to make it work.

Add my on flist we can do leves and company missions!!!!! RAWR Figaro

Will do good sir, will do :D.

Hopefully it will be set up like behest with a limit on participants. Would be great to see waves of enemies coming at you.

But we need to have some consequences for losing the battles. In Besieged, the monsters would come in, whip us, then leave the town the way they found it. Sure they'd capture NPCs, and take the thing that gave us an exp bonus, but there was no...damage, y'know?

Let's make it so when the monsters win, the town is in shambles, and make it up to us to protect the town til it can be rebuilt.

Or something like that.

I can't wait to experience Hamlet Defence too! :o
It was something I was really excited about when they announced it back then, and still am!!

I want this to be dynamic also but I don't know how it will be managed from a systems side of things.
But its a great idea that's for sure. we can send in the cavalry to save the hamlet while riding in on our horsebirds :P

The added content is where SE has a chance to create things no other MMO has done, but only after the foundation is solid! I do hope some of these goodies come sooner than later.

Hamlet Defense would be very welcome content.

The local beastman tribe would be the guys doing the attacking most of the time. But sometimes ... the attack would be an Imperial Raid by the Garleans. In which case the defenders better bring their A-Game.

I wonder what we do about the civilians, though. Should we evacuate them? If so, then how? Some kid and his mom from a hamlet have probably never seen an Aetheryte. I don't think they would be able to teleport themselves.

Hmmm....

Same here... I would like to know if it's still coming... (I'm sure it is) My guess would be that it's tied into companies, however, if it isn't I would want to fill disappointed.

Hopefully they will respond and let us know if this is something still in the works.

When first talked about Hamlet Defense was said to be more like besieged.....but I would love campaign. It was super casual, get tags, do battle, turn in tags, get exp and maybe items based on how well you did as an individual. In XIV a campaign should scale with ranks, the main problem with campaign in XI was after the level cap they were for sure dead, and then they were like "eff those zones", so nothing was done, now there adding new campaign system in XI that has nothing to do with WotG, or really campaign, so it ruins those preexisting zones more. "Learn from your mistakes SE!" Seriously quote of the year.

Checked into the status of hamlet defense battles for you all. While the details/concept won't be exactly the same after shifting to the new team, there is something similar planned. The current plan is to implement settlements for this purpose in a future patch.

Hmm but then what purpose will the Hamlets serve as they have nothing at the minute.

I hope the settlements will make this new system like Campaign from FFXI with attack and defend missions and things like that.

I wonder why the Development Team is re-inventing the wheel?

Hamlets already exist. The geographic locations of each are nearly perfect for staging defensive battles. Each one only has one or two entrances. Implementation-wise they can create the hamlets as separate zones with separate server hardware, like they did for some of the low-rank camps. That will reduce whatever lag that may be caused by the battles.

I guess they could make "new" settlements that do all of that. But hamlets should be there for something! Please!! We as players desperately want hamlets involved in our day-to-day adventuring. They're kind of cool. We actually like visiting them, but we have no reason to right now.

Hamlet Defense was going to be that reason. If SE is not going to use the hamlets for that, we would appreciate knowing what these hamlets ARE going to be used for.

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Originally Posted by Sorel

I wonder why the Development Team is re-inventing the wheel?

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Because if re-invention was never tried we would still be driving around on wooden cartwheels instead of rubber tires.

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Originally Posted by Sorel

I wonder why the Development Team is re-inventing the wheel?

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Originally Posted by Belial

Because if re-invention was never tried we would still be driving around on wooden cartwheels instead of rubber tires.

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True. I do understand the general concept of re-invention, and innovation. But my question was more addressing the specifics of Hamlet Defense. It was not asked as a rhetorical device. It was an honest question.

Why does the Development Team feel the need to create "new" settlements in new locations with new NPCs for us to defend and fight for, when these hamlets already exist? Did the "New Team" find a better purpose for the existing hamlets?

That's pretty much what I'm wondering. If any light could be shed on this, I'm sure many of us would be greatly appreciative.

Have to fully agree Sorel. All this re-inventing seems, right now, to lead the game away from things that gave the game hope at release. Why was there a switch away from public, player driven companies to a pretty unknown substance in Grand Companies? Why not use the hamlets already in place for some content?

At release, the game didn't hold much weight (still really doesn't), but the things that gave people (well me) hope was the things listed on Tanaka's roadmap - for now to see all those things being wiped away?

The confusion is running higher and higher on this forum, dividing the playerbase and whatnot. A roadmap ala Tanaka's (if possible) would make the forums relax a bit during the next months, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Sorel

True. I do understand the general concept of re-invention, and innovation. But my question was more addressing the specifics of Hamlet Defense. It was not asked as a rhetorical device. It was an honest question.

Why does the Development Team feel the need to create "new" settlements in new locations with new NPCs for us to defend and fight for, when these hamlets already exist? Did the "New Team" find a better purpose for the existing hamlets?

That's pretty much what I'm wondering. If any light could be shed on this, I'm sure many of us would be greatly appreciative.

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Sorry, but that phrase is thrown around here a lot as if it's some kinda stoplight for new ideas. But as far as it goes, I don't think they'll leave the existing areas to go to waste, I would imagine there will be intents and purposes in the direction they're going.

Just like to say I totally agree with the playerbase being given a roadmap for the changes planned.

Settlements? as in company settlements? as in will we be drawing war lines and trying to maintain zones? Now that would be freakin cool!? but I am probably way way way off on this one.

It looks more and more the companies will be the main focus and theme, I am starting to get a feel there will be some type of calamity happening and we are going to be thrust into some sort of MMO epicness not seen this side of the MMO universe. At least those are my hopes, I cannot wait for the battle system changes to happen and the foundation of the game is finally in a state where the dev team can really focus on two things, content and ps3 release.

I am truly waiting now with bated breath


/gasp!

I would rather hamlets be quest hubs and crafting guild villages, if you look around them there are many guild signs above doors.

If that's what the devs plan to do then settlements for defence would then be a much better idea.

Either way there doesn't seem much to worry about, they no doubt have some kind of plan for the existing hamlets.

Hamlets were one of things that all of my former FF11 friends looked forward to interacting with.

Granted we can't do anything much with them now. But they had such great potential. Not just good potential, but great potential. It's like finding an old but well built house. Sure it needs some work, but it has good solid structure.

Hamlets were part of that structure in FF14 that we all recognized as good ... even if they were not 100% developed yet. There were far enough away from the City-States that it made sense that the city's military forces wouldn't reach them in time, and only adventurers in the area could mount a defense long enough for reinforcements to arrive.

Your imagination could visualize your linkshell holding the line at the western gate of Aleport against Serpent Reavers, while several random adventurers fight from building to building taking on Reavers that landed on skiffs and started ransacking the hamlet. Meanwhile a party of Archers are on the roof of one of the buildings ... picking off Reavers one by one as their landing skiffs come into range.

Anyway, maybe the "new" Development Team has something better than what I just described. If they do, I would very much like to hear "something" about it.

Hey Sorel, while I don't have any addition details to add at the moment, I don't think the comment that Rukkirii posted went so far as to say current hamlets won't be utilized at all. I would just take her comment at its face value and hang tight until further information is posted in the future. :)

Well...why not tell us now?

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Well...why not tell us now?

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Man, some people are just so impatient -_-

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

Man, some people are just so impatient -_-

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I don't mean to sound ungrateful or impatient, I just don't really see the point of withholding that type of information at the moment.
Share the ideas and reasoning before you get too into it and risk wasting time and money via risk of disappointing your audience.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Hey Sorel, while I don't have any addition details to add at the moment, I don't think the comment that Rukkirii posted went so far as to say current hamlets won't be utilized at all. I would just take her comment at its face value and hang tight until further information is posted in the future. :)

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I will wait patiently, then. At least we know something is cooking in the oven on this subject.

Thank you, Bayohne. Thank you, Rukkirii.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I don't mean to sound ungrateful or impatient, I just don't really see the point of withholding that type of information at the moment.

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Talking about unfinished content is a good way to get the community to hate you, rather than spin predictions and go over possible mechanics. They general wont reveal much details until they themselves have a solid plan of attack when implementing the said subject.

You will rarely if ever hear developers talk about speculation.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Talking about unfinished content is a good way to get the community to hate you, rather than spin predictions and go over possible mechanics.

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That's disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I don't mean to sound ungrateful or impatient, I just don't really see the point of withholding that type of information at the moment.
Share the ideas and reasoning before you get too into it and risk wasting time and money via risk of disappointing your audience.

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Firstly he said he had no more information at this time, secondly the developers don't need to answer to you, its time some of you guys stopped acting as if you have a right to this information, we are basically beta testing still, we aren't paying a monthly fee, so sit down and be quiet and wait for information when it is ready.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Firstly he said he had no more information at this time, secondly the developers don't need to answer to you, its time some of you guys stopped acting as if you have a right to this information, we are basically beta testing still, we aren't paying a monthly fee, so sit down and be quiet and wait for information when it is ready.

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I'm only trying help them keep a strong relationship with us. I'm not trying to discredit them.
I understand that they don't need to share every little thing, but you need to realize that the general audience is impatient with this game and won't give it the time it needs to improve without a lot of information on how it's going to change, and we can't survive on the meager amount of players we already have to keep the game alive for the next few years.

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

Man, some people are just so impatient -_-

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Ehm... we were told about those things in September... I think we've got all the rights to be impatient >.>
I'm so tired of reading "in the future" as answer to every question...

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Originally Posted by Alcide

Ehm... we were told about those things in September... I think we've got all the rights to be impatient >.>
I'm so tired of reading "in the future" as answer to every question...

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Yeah, too bad this game has to be REDESIGNED, eh?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yeah, too bad this game has to be REDESIGNED, eh?

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Ans so? Did I say I want them now? I want to know. If we didn't ask for Hamlets in this topic we might have been waiting for them for ages without knowing they've been scrapped. Oh wait, they're not scrapped, they may be in consideration, but maybe in a different way, maybe it will be somthing in line of what Tanaka proposed, or maybe it will be something totally different, or maybe we'll never hear anything about them :O we'll know "in the future"...

Wasn't this redesign supposed to be based on communication? where's the communication now? Tell me one single aspect about the future updates that we know something about except that "they're gonna come in the future"...
Honestly I think we've been patient enough, we complained about Tanaka's communication, but Yoshi-P isn't definitely better then him, he's just telling us to wait for info, not even for the patches and he's giving info only when the servers are down for the update... lol, great communication plan...
So tell me, since everyone is bringing up the "redesign excuse" when will I be allowed to be angry about the total lack of communication?

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Originally Posted by Alcide

So tell me, since everyone is bringing up the "redesign excuse" when will I be allowed to be angry about the total lack of communication?

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Considering he already stated in his letter everything prior to his management had to be reviewed and everyone, including the dev team wants the game redesigned, you're basically asking for information on a system that wasn't even fully introduced concept wise from the get go, then throw in the fact they're redesigning the foundation of the game meaning that system will more than likely also undergo a change therefore can't divulge information about it yet.

So you can be angry whenever, but it's not going to change the fact they can't give information that more than likely isn't even finalized yet, that would defeat the purpose and only piss people off when the announced information is nothing like what actually ends up being implemented, which should be a familiar scenario to you.

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So tell me, since everyone is bringing up the "redesign excuse" when will I be allowed to be angry about the total lack of communication?

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When there's a total lack of communication? I think this forum in itself is proof enough that we are more in the know of what they're doing now than before with Tanaka in his ivory tower.

Or would you rather us post all of our questions back on the community message boards where it's like talking to a brick wall with no responses from developers again?

I wouldn't say there's a total lack of communication. But I would love to hear more details on what's going on, and I think it would be helpful to people still on the fence.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I wouldn't say there's a total lack of communication. But I would love to hear more details on what's going on, and I think it would be helpful to people still on the fence.

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they can't give, what they do not have.

They have ideas and speculation. Something I'd love to see and discuss, but as Jynx explained to me, much of the playerbase would get angry and frustrated if certain features where dropped when they where only ideas to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

They have ideas and speculation. Something I'd love to see and discuss, but as Jynx explained to me, much of the playerbase would get angry and frustrated if certain features where dropped when they where only ideas to begin with.

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Something I've seen happen plenty of times in other games, and I really don't care to see it happen here.