I know summoner's main stat is int, but I was wondering if, because of the way the materia system works, stacking mind alongside it would be a terrible idea so that my cures/physicks would be somewhat useful incase the healer needs help. I'm trying to come as close to the smn/whm combo I had in ffxi as possible x..x it was pretty fun that way, so if I can get it close I'm going to at least try.
Summoner...mind?
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08-26-2013, 11:41 AMIwazaruSummoner...mind?
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08-26-2013, 11:49 AMAridElf
I'm going to split my Int/Mind 50/50 as best as I can and just use materia to tilt the scales the way I need them. Though I'm leaning towards Summoner more.
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08-26-2013, 12:07 PMIwazaruYah that's about what I was going to do as well...just not sure if the cures are even going to be worth the mind put in for it (and stoneskin I suppose). From what I've seen you can max about 3~ stats, so I'll probably go for a split between spell speed and piety, or crit and piety (assuming pet gains my crit chance) with a bit of spell speed but it's hard to tell until endgame.Quote:
Originally Posted by AridElf
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08-26-2013, 12:12 PMGenyi
plz don't split them up.. if u know ur goin to be smn.. stack INT & determination .. & if SCH is ur likin pure into INT.. u ask why.. well.. unlike SMN .. SCH will have access to "Clerk Stance".. which makes since SCh needs mind but it will need the INT so theres Nukes & DoT's will be worth casting... think about it before u make tht mistake.
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08-26-2013, 12:13 PMSMNaCarbie
I plan on going SMN (reminds me of the good old days of XI), it's interesting they didn't make it a hybrid healer in this game...that's one of it's main roles in XI.
Also, what exactly is materia in this game and how do you use/get it? -
08-26-2013, 12:17 PMRav---Pretty sure you get it from breaking down leveled up gear (so to speak). I think there are other ways as well. I'd be able to tell you if I could have actually gotten into the game these past two weekends.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMNaCarbie
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08-26-2013, 12:32 PMIwazaru
Materia is basically things you slot into your gear that have + to certain stats, there are 5 tiers the top tier having +10 to each stat, and you get materia by taking an item and using it until it's soulbinded (or whatever it's called) at 100% then you can convert it into materia. I think it gives you materia based on what stats it has on it already? Something like that...
Anyways, the thing about materia is you can't just make every slot +int or +mind or whatever, each piece of gear has a max amount of + to a stat that it can give, therefor if you are going full dps as a smn you would probably cap out determination/int/crit for each piece by putting 1~2 +10 for each of those.
It gets a bit complicated because you can have up to 5 materia slots per item and if your item has less than 5 available there's a weird process you go through to forcefully put a slot on it. -
08-26-2013, 12:35 PMIwazaru
(continued) Information could be wrong though I grabbed it off of google when I was searching for how it worked, it was information from legacy lv50's who played around with it in p3 I believe.
Really though there isn't just "one" build for every job in the game, it's silly to say that in a game that allows you to allocate stats how you want and clearly wants you to experiment if the materia system is the way it was in p3.
I'm probably going to end up stacking int/mind/determination and maybe some piety or crit if I can, I'm sure there will be soft caps that people will reach but we'll see.
I'm just curious to see if this setup works though....btw cleric stance reduces your healing with sch by 20%...just a heads up. -
08-26-2013, 12:38 PMSMNaCarbie
Thanks, Iwazaru! I remember reading about it now...still a bit confusing until I see it for myself, but I like the concept!
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08-26-2013, 01:10 PMRuanark
Yeah do NOT go pure INT if you're going SCH that's just a really bad move, -20% cures {Thanks for the offer but I'll have to pass}
At lv50, I believe we have 30 pts to allocate, so 15 int/15 mnd should be fine for those who want to play both SMN and SCH and not have to pay 10k GC seals when changing jobs. That 15 INT/MND you'd be missing will be negligible in the grand scheme of things. -
08-26-2013, 01:21 PMIwazaru
Yah from what I've read just a decent chestpiece at endgame has about +20~25 of your main stat and then 2-3 other stats that are slightly lower on it..so +30 stat points is seriously small. the materia is the part where people will get most of their non-main stat points.
Really though having mind on a smn alongside the int is going to be kind of a gamble...either it won't work because stats are stretched too thin or it'll work really well and be a nice niche for people who enjoy supporting, hoping for the latter but if the former happens then I'm not sure what class I'd want to roll anyways so I'm putting all my eggs into this basket. *crosses fingers* -
08-26-2013, 01:42 PMRuanarkThe 15 point loss from splitting your stats 50/50 is NOT a gamble, honestly, you likely won't even notice the difference from +15 int to +30 int, even with a parseQuote:
Originally Posted by Iwazaru
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08-26-2013, 01:44 PMRuanark
ONLY go 100% INT if you plan on NEVER playing SCH at all, is my advice. Even though SMN will be my main, I like to mix it up from time to time and 10k GC seals is way too much imo
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08-26-2013, 01:50 PMIwazaru
Not talking about the 30 stat points, I'm talking about mind materias at endgame for smn so I can support/offheal.
It makes me really sad that Rouse only increases your pets healing...I read it at first and thought it meant the casters cure magic potency :/ -
08-26-2013, 05:36 PMRuanarkOh as for materia, you'll be using separate gear for separate jobs at higher lvls so you can easily use the appropriate materia for each jobQuote:
Originally Posted by Iwazaru
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08-26-2013, 09:33 PMNeutron
Can't you swap mind and int with a click of a mouse button? An ability they get at level 5 I think..
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08-26-2013, 09:40 PMJudge_Xero
I would recommend to dump it all into Piety. You will want to maximize your % into MP skills and your Bonus Stats is a great place to get the extra PIE.
Yeah, for Scholar you will want to stack as much MND as you can, because using the cross class ability Cleric Stance your MND and INT stats will swap and your Damage % goes up. Like CNJ/WHM you can switch between a nuking and healing stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neutron
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08-26-2013, 09:44 PMHECIf your post "overflow" the 1000 char limit simply post first part only and then add rest of the text to the same post via edit ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Iwazaru
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08-26-2013, 11:10 PMMellotronscratchQuote:
Originally Posted by AridElf
Ok, so what should I concentrate with my stats up to level 30?Quote:
Originally Posted by Iwazaru
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08-26-2013, 11:24 PMIwazaruIt's pretty much up to you...full int if you want more damage full mind if you want more healing, half and half if you aren't sure. The stat points you get as you level don't matter too awful much since it's less stats than a piece of gear at 50 will give so don't fret over it too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mellotronscratch
Thanks HEC that helps a ton :3 I didn't know that trick....the character limit even being there seems stupid, especially if you can just bypass it.
Neutron : cleric stance isn't available for smn, only sch and whm but even then I'd still stack mind for either of those personally since switching mind/int means if you really wanted to deal damage you could just switch stances.
Piety is definitely a good stat for both of the acn jobs for sure, if I did that *instead* of mind though it seems like I'd end up not being able to backup heal nearly as well. I'm personally doing an int/mind split, maybe 20 mind 10 int because you get way more int than mind per level...so it would make sense to pile on more mind to keep it fairly high. so far I'm 18 and it's making a huge difference in dungeons, I saved a tank about 4 times because the healer kept getting 90k and it was the difference between healing for 80~90 and healing for 130~140 which doesn't seem like much but when the mobs are doing around 100~ every time I can cast it really does make a huge difference as it means I can keep him up indefinitely and use less mana overall. I really want to figure out if crit is transfered to the pet though that's the only thing I can't really test very well....I'll figure out some way to do it though.
Also would like to add it seems that healing magic potency:mind is a 1:1 ratio, so every point of mind you get adds 1 to healing magic potency. Same thing with int for attack magic potency.
I really wish I could figure out the formula for cure magic potency though, physick has 400 potency and I have 60 healing magic potency...but I heal for 109-116 at the moment. I just added 3 points of healing magic potency/mind and it added about 4 minimum and 4 maximum to my heal, so I'm not sure what that means but it seems to be a bit above a 1:1 ratio for healing magic and actual healing. -
08-27-2013, 01:33 AMTuskai
Personally, I find Scholar more of a Combat healer than just a pure healing White Mage, you use your weaker heal's and shields and your pet to make up for your low healing potential, but you stack DoT's while your teamates are at a safe amount of protetion to burn enemies down, so having a pure INT build would give you roughly the same amount of INT/MIND pre level 50 book's, letting you get decent damage and healing done without having to juggle cleric stance and waffling between extremes, while still having a functional Summoner build.