Why would you segregate Legacy players from new players???

I thought the biggest excuse for this was the economy balance, but you already nerfed everyone's gil down to 10% of what it was.

You are taking your longest supporters, and making it more difficult and uncertain that they will be able to get friends new to the game to PLAY WITH THEM on the same servers. I will be pretty upset if any of the 5 or 6 people I've talked into picking up the game can't get on my server.

New characters can be created on legacy worlds, so the issue won't be with getting your friends onto your server (unless it becomes full). The issue would be if you wanted to go to a non-legacy server with them.

I think it's silly, personally, for new people to have hangups about playing on legacy servers. But the concern is definitely out there because there are some new players that absolutely refuse to play on one. :/

You have the wrong end of the stick.

There will be 'Legacy' Servers, which are not for 'Legacy' players, but for any characters created in 1.0. These servers are open to all players, i.e. those from 1.0 and all those joining and creating new characters in 2.0.

There will also be brand new 2.0 Servers, these servers are open only to new characters being created for 2.0.

Some people feel they want to start on a brand new world, where everyone starts at the same level (1) - a fresh new start which brings and "the same and fair opportunity for all". There is no economy, no high level friends to help you out in the beginning, no high level crafters who can churn out goods in the market, no high level gatherers. Some people play the game like a race, and they want to all start at the same line. If that is what they want, let them have it.

There are also people who prefer to enter a world with an existing economy, with higher level players who are ready to give help and advice, and also people who have higher level crafters who can help things. A ready supply of materials, armour and weapons to make etc. They don't think it's a race, and realise that it isn't difficult to find your own place in the market/economy if you put in the time and effort. If that is what they want, let them have it.

There is no forced segregation - you choose where you want to start.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pandemonium

You have the wrong end of the stick.

There will be 'Legacy' Servers, which are not for 'Legacy' players, but for any characters created in 1.0. These servers are open to all players, i.e. those from 1.0 and all those joining and creating new characters in 2.0.

There will also be brand new 2.0 Servers, these servers are open only to new characters being created for 2.0.

Some people feel they want to start on a brand new world, where everyone starts at the same level (1) - a fresh new start which brings and "the same and fair opportunity for all". There is no economy, no high level friends to help you out in the beginning, no high level crafters who can churn out goods in the market, no high level gatherers. Some people play the game like a race, and they want to all start at the same line. If that is what they want, let them have it.

There are also people who prefer to enter a world with an existing economy, with higher level players who are ready to give help and advice, and also people who have higher level crafters who can help things. A ready supply of materials, armour and weapons to make etc. They don't think it's a race, and realise that it isn't difficult to find your own place in the market/economy if you put in the time and effort. If that is what they want, let them have it.

There is no forced segregation - you choose where you want to start.

---

actually there kind of is because those said legacy characters (meaning players from 1.0) Can NOT tranfer to one of the new non "legacy" servers and one of the reasons said was due to the economy and they didn't want those 1.0 players to dominate the markets. To be a legacy player and want to play on one of the new servers you have to create a brand new character.

I honestly don't care about that. I'm very fond of my Rannie here so I won't be making a new character on a non legacy server. I'll stay with my legacy servers.

All my friends who are new to FFXIV/MMO's are coming to join me on my Legacy server.

Why are we going over this again and again?! DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO!?!?!

They were segregated because of the economical impact that 1.0 players could have on a new server. Even though our gil was slashed by 90%, people that had a lot of money still have a lot of money since prices from vendors were adjusted in accordance with ours, so the value of gil didn't change.

If you want to continue playing your 1.0 char your friends can always join you on your Legacy server. From the looks of things, it doesn't seem like any of the ones from the NA/EU region will be filling up before the transfer period ends.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pwnagraphic

All my friends who are new to FFXIV/MMO's are coming to join me on my Legacy server.

Why are we going over this again and again?! DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO!?!?!

---

Well, it did get a number of people to reply to this thread. Including yourself. So, I guess, you don't have anything better to do either? :)

Wasn't there something about opening up paid server transfers a few months into service?

My friends are going to join the server I'm in anyway, though. So I don't have a problem with it. But if they add server transfers after launch, that would be the perfect remedy. The new servers' economies would have a chance to thrive and will eventually get to the point where a rich player from a Legacy server wouldn't do much damage to it.

And if there are no plans for it, if enough people ask for it then it will happen anyway. We're blessed with developers that listen to our critique.

you know at first I was happy to see that Sargatanas was a NA/EU data center cause I wouldn't have to worry about transferring but tbh if I could transfer my Legacy character to a non Legacy NA/EU server, I probably would.

I mean I understand why they did it this way but then there's times like in beta I see how people were treating new people in shout who were asking questions on Sargatanas, and they either weren't answering or some were just being douches. And that kinda annoyed me, most of us want new players to come to our servers and we'll help anyway we can (I know I try to answer questions when I see them), but its THOSE kind of ppl that drive those new players away & end up making them think we are all Elitist jerks on Legacy.

So kinda makes me sad that I get lumped into that category, I would transfer if I could but more then likely its Sargatanas for life cause I don't want to pay to transfer later and what not.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Well, it did get a number of people to reply to this thread. Including yourself. So, I guess, you don't have anything better to do either? :)

---

I am not sitting around thinking of the possible ways to gripe about Legacy and the dead horse it is. That's what I mean by nothing else better to do. People are just sitting there, with the beta down going over reasons over something that has been said 1,000 times. GRAH!!!!!

I'm no economist, but honestly it's not like there won't be max level people with max level crafting jobs within the first week anyhow. It just seems like a silly limitation to put in place, especially since half the legacy players are all but forced to migrate to the other half to be in the proper region.

Mostly I'd just like to hear from the devs about what sort of space is being allotted for NEW players on legacy worlds. If they are already full on transfers for a few worlds, it seems like a legitimate concern.

Triple play:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Doki

I thought the biggest excuse for this was the economy balance, but you already nerfed everyone's gil down to 10% of what it was.

---

Would you have liked it better if SE had doubled our gil, along with doubling all prices, fees and reward amounts? :confused:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by yoshikwalla

Wasn't there something about opening up paid server transfers a few months into service?

---

SE reps posted that SE would open up transfers for legacy characters to new worlds once economies stabilized. They said "months" after launch, and several of us got the impression that they meant maybe 3-6. They didn't specify "paid" or not.

More recently I'm wondering if SE might open up character transfers (legacy world → legacy world, new world → anywhere) earlier than that. It could be a "the first one is free" basis, unless they did something like create a new targeted world for some subgroup and open a special free transfer program for it. (I'm just speculating--SE hasn't said anything about this.)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gemma

you know at first I was happy to see that Sargatanas was a NA/EU data center cause I wouldn't have to worry about transferring but tbh ... there's times like in beta I see how people were treating new people in shout who were asking questions on Sargatanas, and they either weren't answering or some were just being douches.

---

Have hope. More helpful people are heading to Sargatanas. Maybe some of these sour apples will transfer off. Oh, and GMs are scheduled to become active starting in Phase 4.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ArkhamNative

Have hope. More helpful people are heading to Sargatanas. Maybe some of these sour apples will transfer off. Oh, and GMs are scheduled to become active starting in Phase 4.

---

Oh I'm hoping for it alright lol, I just can't help but slightly worry that Legacy servers are going to be pretty dead compared to new servers strictly because new players are misinformed on what a Legacy server is really like. Just wish people wouldn't discourage new players from joining just because it annoys them they are asking questions in /shout or trolling them on the beta forums fueling the flames by telling them we're better then them and crap like that.

I mean, just don't say anything lol is that so hard? Why ppl feel the need to act like an a**hat is beyond me
But yes I really hope it's not like that at launch..

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ArkhamNative

Triple play:
SE reps posted that SE would open up transfers for legacy characters to new worlds once economies stabilized. They said "months" after launch, and several of us got the impression that they meant maybe 3-6. They didn't specify "paid" or not.

More recently I'm wondering if SE might open up character transfers (legacy world → legacy world, new world → anywhere) earlier than that. It could be a "the first one is free" basis, unless they did something like create a new targeted world for some subgroup and open a special free transfer program for it. (I'm just speculating--SE hasn't said anything about this.)

---

Thanks for the info! It would be pretty awesome if Square could open up a specialized RP server, then offer free transfers. Your idea of "first one is free" is a great one, but how much could they charge afterwards? I'm thinking a small fee. Square will make a large income already from box sales and the subscriptions of the 1.0 players, let alone the mass of new players who were waiting for Realm Reborn since its initial announcement. What do you think?

Im on the fence about this too, as i didnt really care for the server im on, yet i cant bring my character to a new server. So in the end, i have to make all my friends come to Hyperion. Hopefully its a condition that lasts about a month or two tops, before they introduce a type of server transfer program, which should also be free and have a month or two cooldown, keeping with other modern mmos. the biggest issue is the lack of legacy servers allowing only so many new players to join without overloading it.... guess we will see!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by yoshikwalla

... how much could they charge afterwards? I'm thinking a small fee.

---

I think others charge €20/$25 per character. Maybe they could also do a "cooldown" like FoxyBrown mentions. The idea is to discourage frequent transfer requests, as well as pay for staff time to process the requests.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Doki

I thought the biggest excuse for this was the economy balance, but you already nerfed everyone's gil down to 10% of what it was.

You are taking your longest supporters, and making it more difficult and uncertain that they will be able to get friends new to the game to PLAY WITH THEM on the same servers. I will be pretty upset if any of the 5 or 6 people I've talked into picking up the game can't get on my server.

---

People keep thinking it's a nerfed in gil when it's not. About all NPC sell/buy price where also lower down to 10%. Which mean if you had 80m in 1.0 that would be 8m in 2.0 it still have the same buying value. The only issue now is people who think it's a nerfed would try to sell item for the same cost of 1.0. Like X2 meld Wep for 20m when it should be 2m but i guess i'll be waiting few weeks before buying anything anyways lol.

And like others said new players can join legacy worlds. Some people just want to play from start and seeing how this is a new release of FFXIV it's pretty much a new game for many new players they don't want to be with 50+s unless they have friends or don't care about it.

Because we're too awesome for newbies to handle.

I kid, I kid. Actually my shell has a few brand new players who didn't play during 1.0 at all and are coming with us to our legacy server despite not originally playing before.

The thing about YoshiP is that he doesn't like the idea of people being separated or feeling disadvantaged. I realize the former point in that seems like a contradiction in this regard, but I believe his hope with duty finder is that it will absolve that point completely. The disadvantage point comes with brand new players trying to make a niche for themselves on already established worlds/economies. It's basically the same thing NA players went through in XI when they finally made NA support live, we were playing with the Japanese player base that was already established for a year prior. Granted, from my memory it wasn't a big deal. We caught up with them in terms of money within a few months, though I also know a lot of people took advantage of the JP player's kindness, before the tensions got high.

And before anyone says anything about the economy not mattering because of the gil reduction. It wasn't a reduction, it was a digit removal. The gil is the same, the value overall was altered. (an item that cost 100 gil in 1.0 costs 10gil now, per world market, not player choice). Players can and likely will still price their items for the first few months at ridiculous prices based on what their used too, not taking into consideration the difference in gil actually being held by players. I suspect that will only last for six months or so before it starts to level out again when things sit in retainers for weeks without being sold. But still, new players without any previously held gil will be at a disadvantage to these players because they wont be able to compare.

There's a lot of 'what ifs' in this type of thing. But in the end it's all about not making new players feel overwhelmed by pre-established player bases, because not all 1.0 players will be forth coming with aid, gear crafts and general assistance. They'd rather stick to their friends already established, bring in a few select friends from outside the game to their own world and keep it like that.

Granted; my shell isn't one of those and I dont speak for everyone, but I (and you) know that type of mentality exists. Always does, always will.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gemma

you know at first I was happy to see that Sargatanas was a NA/EU data center cause I wouldn't have to worry about transferring but tbh if I could transfer my Legacy character to a non Legacy NA/EU server, I probably would.

I mean I understand why they did it this way but then there's times like in beta I see how people were treating new people in shout who were asking questions on Sargatanas, and they either weren't answering or some were just being douches. And that kinda annoyed me, most of us want new players to come to our servers and we'll help anyway we can (I know I try to answer questions when I see them), but its THOSE kind of ppl that drive those new players away & end up making them think we are all Elitist jerks on Legacy.

So kinda makes me sad that I get lumped into that category, I would transfer if I could but more then likely its Sargatanas for life cause I don't want to pay to transfer later and what not.

---

I see the opposite (obv I see what you're saying too, because it does exist) there are many non-legacy (or just 1.0) people that come from other MMO's with the elitest attitude of "I know everything and you don't". On the whole I think most 1.0 players really want the game to succeed and help others, and not be a total tool

My hatred for this issue got me banned from the beta forums yesterday. =/ But yeah, I'm not sure why so many people are terrified of Legacy players. I'm loving helping them in the doody finder.

What's important to me is starting fresh with others who played by the same rules in the same game. Tons of people exploited broken mechanics in 1.0 to advance their characters and now that the game is fixed I'd rather enjoy a server that hasn't been tainted by that.

I'm legacy also, with all battle classes at 50, so its not like I'm worried about people being ahead of me. I just want a clean start with a new character.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

My hatred for this issue got me banned from the beta forums yesterday. =/ But yeah, I'm not sure why so many people are terrified of Legacy players. I'm loving helping them in the doody finder.

---

It's okay, I feel your pain. Your not alone! /comfort
(i was banned for other reasons and i'm fine)

Back to the topic:

>>>Legacy servers are welcomed by all__Newbies
\__Veterans(especially made for 1.0 characters)

>>>Brand new servers are also welcomed by all__Newbies
\__Veterans(but not 1.0 characters)

Is that understood everybody? ^^

lol

(if I took my time to draw a picture about it, it would grab interest ;D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

It's okay, I feel your pain. Your not alone! /comfort
(i was banned for other reasons and i'm fine)

Back to the topic:

>>>Legacy servers are welcomed by all__Newbies
\__Veterans(especially made for 1.0 characters)

>>>Brand new servers are also welcomed by all__Newbies
\__Veterans(but not 1.0 characters)

Is that understood everybody? ^^

lol

(if I took my time to draw a picture about it, it would grab interest ;D

---

Banned bro's! UNITE!!!