Example as to why we do need an AH

A lot of talk about why do we need an AH or why we do not need an AH.

If you'd like we can turn this into a Poll: Agree or Disagree

Disclaimer: Granted the current fixes to the wards are fine and do need improvement but... it's not something we need in this game.

Well this game is currently under an overhaul and a complete revamp and I feel that an Auction House would be sublime. Why? Let me show you and explain.

Here is an example of Aions Auction and it's beneficiaries:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6QXjhTUdL8

- Categorization
- Price assortment and lists
- Easy searches from common ~ rare
- Fast and Efficient
- You want it? Right click it and buy it (It's now in your inventory)
- Want to sell it? Right click it and list price (It's now on the broker)
- Want to know what you look like before you buy it? Right Click + CTRL
- Want to know how much an item is you have but you don't want to type out the name? Right click it and it appears in the search box.
- Want to know the stats? Highlight it and it will show you what it has in a pop up bubble
- Who is selling it? Names are listed so give them a whisper so you can haggle some prices~
- Auction house is connected throughout the entire server
- Alleviates lag in many different aspects

I can continue on with the list but there is no need as it is obvious as to what an AH really offers.

The effectiveness of instantaneously buying and selling at will with no restrictions with absolute convenience is why we need an AH.

I currently can't find any videos on the up to date market wards but I'm pretty sure everyone knows the hassel you have to go through to buy and sell items; it's a very time consuming process that takes a lot longer than what it should.

Same story for vendering items to an NPC
Example Video if interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EaGvRv6jqw

Like I said in my post in the market section the wards can't last. Ul'Dah being the only place to buy stuff is a huge crutch for new players and when the game picks up the wards are going to be getting filled to the brim in no time.

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

Like I said in my post in the market section the wards can't last. Ul'Dah being the only place to buy stuff is a huge crutch for new players and when the game picks up the wards are going to be getting filled to the brim in no time.

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Exactly, come PS3 release the market system will be an absolute lag fest and a huge mess and the server might actually crash with the amount of traffic flowing in out and within the Ul'Dah city/wards

Aion is a bad example of an AH as most ppl tell you NOT to use it since quests drop all your gear. It also hard to sell stuff on that AH. I tried selling stuff and it was never bought I even went way lower the the price listed.

- Alleviates lag in many different aspects

also not true every AH has missive lag no matter what game i've played there was TONS of ppl afk/not afk @ the AH. It caused pretty nasty lag.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Aion is a bad example of an AH as most ppl tell you NOT to use it since quests drop all your gear. It also hard to sell stuff on that AH. I tried selling stuff and it was never bought I even went way lower the the price listed.

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Aions AH INTERFACE was the example I had used. Not how well peoples items were selling.. If you want to get on that topic and change things up a bit then fine.

I played AIon for 2 years and had absolutely no problem what soever buying and selling items. I came straight from FF11 and when I came in touch with Aions AH it felt like it was a god send... So easy, so fast, I was able to generate cash up the wazoo (it all depends on what you find and how much it's worth or) a great way to make money in Aion was crafting your own consumables and selling them since the game was consumable heavy and extremely easy and efficient.

A good way to make money in FF14 is crafting your own weapons (after dreading thought the whole crafting process) and arrows and selling those too as they are highly sought after. But going through the horrid process of selling/buying those items are what I am trying to get at.

Really? another AH thread? there are another 2 on this page.

AH is hardest at start but when you learn about it is better than market. At least the current market wards, but if SE make a better ward it's fine for me. It need an easier way to find things w/o going to the door.

I can't think of a single reason why Market Wards is better then an AH for purchasing from other players quickly and efficently.

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Originally Posted by Gracious

I can't think of a single reason why Market Wards is better then an AH for purchasing from other players quickly and efficently.

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It's because there simply is none. My statement just now isn't a troll but is a fact and the obvious. The next step up from the ward system is to simply... make an AH.

They can even keep the ward system and implement an AH and they will see how quickly the wards will collect dust. No player will ever turn back to using wards but most will camp outside with extra items for sale occasionally when their market list is full which is perfectly acceptable.

go back to FFXIV Beta and take your retainers with you

Thing is, 14 want to be unique, having an AH wouldn't make it unique...

How about this? Maybe in a Update, side mission, or something you get from a mission, you get a Mog. Lets say you are killing major NM,grinding, or don't want to search Wards yourself. need an item. You can summon your Mog and search items in the market wards using the Mog, you don't have to move. You Send Mog off when you find desired item, they take a small fee (1-5k gil? more?) they bring it to you(1-5min delay? gil amount you pay gives a faster delivery?). That sounds unique to me O.o
this idea just popped in my head =/.

The crashing of the wards i don't know how to fix though.

So, I disagree with a AH.

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Originally Posted by Aeru

Thing is, 14 want to be unique, having an AH wouldn't make it unique...

How about this? Maybe in a Update, side mission, or something you get from a mission, you get a Mog. Lets say you are killing major NM,grinding, or don't want to search Wards yourself. need an item. You can summon your Mog and search items in the market wards using the Mog, you don't have to move. You Send Mog off when you find desired item, they take a small fee (1-5k gil? more?) they bring it to you(1-5min delay? gil amount you pay gives a faster delivery?). That sounds unique to me O.o
this idea just popped in my head =/.

The crashing of the wards i don't know how to fix though.

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lol that's kinda awesome actually

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Originally Posted by Evangela

go back to FFXIV Beta and take your retainers with you

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What kind of wanna-a-be troll are you?

I played Aion after ffxi and I had the worst time on that game : / All the menues were lagged up and i never found Aion AH to be easy. I played it around Aions US launch. But quit after obviouse reasons. If they improved things then cool. I was just sharing my experience. I don't like auction houses mostly because ppl rely on them for prices and getting items. Most item xare over priced cuz of player greed. Like ffxi barwater/ra was double the shop price that was next door.

I liked ffxi UI actually it was quick and easy. Aion wasn't to me.

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Originally Posted by Aeru

Thing is, 14 want to be unique, having an AH wouldn't make it unique...

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There's an image floating around the internet. Google "Just because you are unique does not mean you are useful".

"It's unique" is a poor reason to keep a convoluted system.

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Originally Posted by trinta

There's an image floating around the internet. Google "Just because you are unique does not mean you are useful".

"It's unique" is a poor reason to keep a convoluted system.

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just becaused some claim something is useful don't actually mean it is. I never liked the AH system. I never had an easy time getting gear i wanted/needed on any game with an AH in it. I spent weeks hunting for items for quests, gear, spells. I never had an easy time making money either. My stuff never sold. And I did all sorts of stuff to make gil/gold/ money.

Yes, Kilta, we know that you've been traumatized by poor AH sales. You've said so three times now.

Explain to me how any of this is better with a convoluted version of AH?


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Upon further thought, I'm not sure that what I just said is going to be clear to you.

The problems that you complain about are the result of an in-game economy. They will happen in any system, regardless of how it is organized. Having market wards (AH + a lot of unnecessary running) is not going to be better in that regard than having an AH.

If you can see how it will be, please explain.

games don't need "auction houses". Since you actually just buy out right its not really an auction. I played alot of mmo w/o them and they do fine. I find it funny that most ppl here are up in arms about a game going easy mode, or how anima breaks the game. But you want to buy items "easier". contradicting yourselves is kinda silly.

I never said I was traumatized. I just said my experiences. Do you really gotta be a (censored)?
protip: grudges are bad. :)

I personally like the AH set up in ffxi. I found searches to be silly. With ffxi you can see items easier just by scrolling. A search can get laggy when the AH is popular. I had that issue in WoW and Aion. I had to go to one of the unpopular AHs just to look for things. And even still barely found anything I wanted/ needed.

I like having interactive features. Not menue'ed features. It adds immersion to the game :)

EPIC FAIL typo.

I like this system because multi-point procurement discourages AH squatting and market playing. Overuse of the AH became a problem in FFXI, where real consumers couldn't get good prices on items because flippers squatted easy 1-point procurement bottlenecks and got to them first, then just marked them up 40%. That is, if they didn't park a bot by the AH to do that for them.

Set your bot in XI to buy all crawler coccoons for 2k, try every 45 seconds. Do it all night long. You wake up with a ton of crawler coccoons. Now you can either sell all those for 3k each because your bot kept everyone else from getting crawler coccoons or you can power level your weaver for cheaper than anyone else can because you caught every reasonably priced coccoon out there.

In XIV you wake up with nothing if you didn't really do any work.

Too many people who want an auction house simply want the right to squat the AH and spam it for their own personal benefit. Not because it's better.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

games don't need "auction houses". Since you actually just buy out right its not really an auction. I played alot of mmo w/o them and they do fine.

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Which MMOs are these? Just two or three names will be fine.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I find it funny that most ppl here are up in arms about a game going easy mode, or how anima breaks the game. But you want to buy items "easier". contradicting yourselves is kinda silly.

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This isn't addressed to me, so I won't respond.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I never said I was traumatized. I just said my experiences.

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Your frequency, vehemence, and lack of relevance in repeating these experiences suggests trauma. /shrug

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

protip: grudges are bad. :)

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Huh?

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I personally like the AH set up in ffxi. I found searches to be silly. With ffxi you can see items easier just by scrolling. A search can get laggy when the AH is popular.
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I like having interactive features. Not menue'ed features.

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Now who is contradicting themselves? You liked XI's AH, but you don't like menus?

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I had to go to one of the unpopular AHs just to look for things. And even still barely found anything I wanted/ needed.

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That's like saying "I went to the hardware store and barely found any groceries" and expecting to be taken seriously.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

But you want to buy items "easier". contradicting yourselves is kinda silly.

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Conveinient market system =/= easier game

my real reason i think AH are relic system

they rely to heavy on stationary menues which prevents any form of communication. You gotta wait to load any tab to check if any gear is there. Either by a slow search or low load tabs. It also monoploized item prices. once an item has a set value it tends to stay there. Like Leaping boots were 200K for years and ppl got forced to buy them cuz the nm was so heavily camped. Same for scop harness. Me personally, I checked bazaars first. A few times I did get lucky and bought something. I'd also thank the player if I ran a bazaar and they bought something. I also made friends from bazaaring.

I like interaction/interactive activities more then menues. LIke fable 3's sancuray is fun ti chill in vs a star menue. Items feel more realistic in a sence as you see a full 3d form rather then a picture. Bazaar menues are kinda interactive I check whats for sale. Then leave.

trin I was stating if I had to pick I like ffxi ah better.
And also trin most other games AH's are interconnected ffxi wasn't.

the games I played w/o AH that had pretty decent sized player base Mabinogi, Maple story, perfect world international. And several others. PWI got a huge player base also. And has been running for a good while.
I like shops better then AH. Only saving grace is in Aion the brokers were ultra cute. :3 like moogles w/o wing and the pom pom on their head.

My answers are in bold.

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Originally Posted by Spuffin

- Categorization We have this in the markets
- Price assortment and lists We have this in the markets
- Easy searches from common ~ rare We could add this to markets
- Fast and Efficient Before we had search and prices the market was slow, but I'm not having that problem anymore
- You want it? Right click it and buy it (It's now in your inventory) Most people have no problems going to the retainer
- Want to sell it? Right click it and list price (It's now on the broker) With the addition of returning your retainer to wards coming soon, this point will be moot.
- Want to know what you look like before you buy it? Right Click + CTRL I don't know what you mean by this, does it show the 3D model of the item? If so, that could be added to the search list for the markets.
- Want to know how much an item is you have but you don't want to type out the name? Right click it and it appears in the search box. We could get this if they add search to markets, but this isn't really a need.
- Want to know the stats? Highlight it and it will show you what it has in a pop up bubble The stats are shown when you search in the markets.
- Who is selling it? Names are listed so give them a whisper so you can haggle some prices~Good idea, but I wouldn't bother haggling anyone. To each their own.
- Auction house is connected throughout the entire server This could come in a future update. Also the markets weren't connected in FFXI.
- Alleviates lag in many different aspects I've had no problems with lag, of course this is relative.

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