Thread for Gamepad ideas(Bypassing 750 Limit on Beta forums)

Thread for Gamepad ideas(Bypassing 750 Limit on Beta forums)

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1. Increase the number of actions displayed on the hotbar, and expand upon the hotbar button combinations that can be used.
2. Create a new option that improves switching between hotbar sets.
3. Create a new function that changes the actions displayed on the hotbar under certain conditions.

..." -Hvinire

I wanted to give my two cents on a gamepad design regarding the 3rd option. I'm not sure if it's quite what you meant, or how hard my idea would be to implement, however I think if it could be implemented the gamepad gameplay would be a lot smoother.

My take on #3 was wanting to have actions change when requirements are met? I honestly feel that the biggest changed need is an easier switch to a 3rd crossbar(L2R2 suggestion was the best way to have 8 extra slots show up without having to completely rotate your skills then rotate back), and a shortcut to combos(Seeing as, on DRG for instance, combos take up ~9 slots). If we could reduce those 9 slots to, let's say, 3 and then have the 8 extra slots from L2R2 the gamepad interaction would be extremely streamlined and could bring gamepad users closer to bridging the Keybind-Controller gap.


So basically, Instead of holding R2 then Cycling through X, O, Triangle for a "Full Thrust" combo, It would be R2 then X, X, X. Each time a WS hits the current R2+X would switch(Still on this first Crossbar) to the next move in the combo. If it misses, or you don't make the timer it would go back to that combo starter WS.

Two examples:

Dragoon

Set1:

R2+X Heavy Thrust -> Ring of Thorns
R2+O True Thrust -> Vorpal Thrust -> Full Thrust
R2+Triangle Impulse Drive -> Disembowel -> Chaos Thrust
R2+Square Phlebotomize

R2+Down Leg Sweep
R2+Right Feint
R2+Up Piercing Talon
R2+Left Doom Spike

L2+X Blood for Blood
L2+O Keen Flurry
L2+Triangle Life surge
L2+Square Invigorate

L2+Down Power Surge
L2+Right Spineshatter Dive
L2+Up Dragonfire Dive
L2+Left Jump

R2L2+X Elusive Jump
R2L2+O
R2L2+Triangle
R2L2+Square

R2L2+Down
R2L2+Right
R2L2+Up
R2L2+Down

Set2:

Add1
Add2
Add3
Add4
Add5


Paladin

Set1:

R2+X Provoke
R2+O Fast Blade -> Savage Blade -> Rage of Halone
R2+Triangle Fast Blade - > Riot Blade
R2+Square

R2+ Down Flash
R2+Right Shield Lob
R2+Up Spirits Within
R2+ Left Shield Swipe

L2+X Sentinel
L2+O Bulwark
L2+Triangle Awareness
L2+Square Rampart

L2+Down Convalesence
L2+Right Fight or Flight
L2+Up Tempered Will
L2+Left Cover

L2R2+X Shield Bash
L2R2+O Bloodbath
L2R2+Triangle Hallowed Ground
L2R2+Square Circle of Scorn

L2R2+Down Shield Oath
L2R2+Right Sword Oath
L2R2+Up
L2R2+Left


Set 2:

Add1
Add1
Add3
Add4
Add5


I didn't really see a problem with Mages on multiple sets with how I set up my crossbars, however I think it could work well with them also seeing as Melee seem to take up more room. (No strong need for Thunder/Blizzard/Fire I and II for instance).

Two things:
1)you can bypass the 750 character limit simply by editing the post
2)this is against NDA and you could be banned. Cancel this at once and post it where it belong

The NDA is only enforcing video and audio, we're open to discuss inside and out of the forum.

Honestly I can't think of much square can do other than change some targeting and menu targeting priorities. Maybe with the sixaxis shake the control to remove all menus?

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Originally Posted by Dhalmel

The NDA is only enforcing video and audio, we're open to discuss inside and out of the forum.

Honestly I can't think of much square can do other than change some targeting and menu targeting priorities. Maybe with the sixaxis shake the control to remove all menus?

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So I can discuss the gamepad idea here?

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Originally Posted by Gukster

So I can discuss the gamepad idea here?

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yes you can

I do like the idea of have L2 + R2 opening up a third set of abilities. I had noticed I had filled everything up when I was playing MNK this weekend and I had to press R1 to switch to a different set. While I was used to flipping between action bars in 1.0, ARR's combat is significantly faster so it would be much more advantageous to just memorize button combinations.

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Originally Posted by Rhomagus

I do like the idea of have L2 + R2 opening up a third set of abilities. I had noticed I had filled everything up when I was playing MNK this weekend and I had to press R1 to switch to a different set. While I was used to flipping between action bars in 1.0, ARR's combat is significantly faster so it would be much more advantageous to just memorize button combinations.

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You should submit that in the feedback thread when they're open, it's a very good idea.

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Originally Posted by Dhalmel

You should submit that in the feedback thread when they're open, it's a very good idea.

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Well thanks. It wasn't mine it was Gukster's. I will take your advice though.

1. This isn't the beta forums.
2. This isn't the beta forums.
3. This isn't the beta forums.

This post definitely belongs there.. You're making suggestions for the game.
If you actually want your suggestions to be seen anyway..

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Originally Posted by Solace

1. This isn't the beta forums.
2. This isn't the beta forums.
3. This isn't the beta forums.

This post definitely belongs there.. You're making suggestions for the game.
If you actually want your suggestions to be seen anyway..

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1. Did you see the title?
2. Did you see the title?
3. Did you see the title?

I wasn't aware you could get past the 750 limit imposed on Beta Forums by editing your post. I linked my original Thread there to here. I figured I might as well leave it and let people know about this on these forums as well as Beta when I was informed about the editing thing. I assure you, I know this isn't the Beta forums. Thank you for your very insightful post.

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Originally Posted by Gukster

1. Did you see the title?
2. Did you see the title?
3. Did you see the title?

I wasn't aware you could get past the 750 limit imposed on Beta Forums by editing your post. I linked my original Thread there to here. I figured I might as well leave it and let people know about this on these forums as well as Beta when I was informed about the editing thing. I assure you, I know this isn't the Beta forums. Thank you for your very insightful post.

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Darn, you beat me to it. lol

Anyways, you got some pretty interesting ideas for using the controller on the game. I'm particularly interested because I use a controller myself. However, I'm still trying to get used to the controller bars. Might take me a while, so adding new things could be frustrating for me. ^^;

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Originally Posted by Solace

1. This isn't the beta forums.
2. This isn't the beta forums.
3. This isn't the beta forums.

This post definitely belongs there.. You're making suggestions for the game.
If you actually want your suggestions to be seen anyway..

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Yeah and the beta forum's GD isn't totally complete garbage.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Darn, you beat me to it. lol

Anyways, you got some pretty interesting ideas for using the controller on the game. I'm particularly interested because I use a controller myself. However, I'm still trying to get used to the controller bars. Might take me a while, so adding new things could be frustrating for me. ^^;

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I hear ya', lol. I just think it'd be easier for people allowing them to, I guess keybind?, combos to a button. So instead of hitting X, O, Triangle for a combo it'd just be X, X, X. Then if, say you miss the combo or didn't pull it off in time, it went back to the initial one.

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Originally Posted by Gukster

I hear ya', lol. I just think it'd be easier for people allowing them to, I guess keybind?, combos to a button. So instead of hitting X, O, Triangle for a combo it'd just be X, X, X. Then if, say you miss the combo or didn't pull it off in time, it went back to the initial one.

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Hmmm, that is an interesting idea indeed. It's kind of like a twist on the battle play in the game The Legend of Dragoon. Now I'm really interested. It'd be cool if you got an answer by a dev on these ideas.

Someone is hitting lv 3~ :D

level 4~

Someone needs to chill out and go make a sammich.

Out of curiosity... wouldn't making the ever-so-common "/10char" posts be considered an act of bypassing as well?

I just, you know... don't know if I've really ever seen anyone get jumped on for that one, so I was just wondering.

Back on topic, any additional methods of expanding Gamepad functionality is a-okay in my book! Make it so!

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Originally Posted by Obsy

Out of curiosity... wouldn't making the ever-so-common "/10char" posts be considered an act of bypassing as well?

I just, you know... don't know if I've really ever seen anyone get jumped on for that one, so I was just wondering.

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Great now someone's bound to do that now :p

Meanwhile in dhalmel's place.

http://i.imgur.com/alZ55Ts.jpg

Jealous, to say the least, Dhalmel.

for me, the only change they need to add for gamepad to make it more enjoyable is to add the option to use the 1.0 gamepad config. it was much more fluid and easy to use and learn along with being completely customizable over the hotbars they put in place.

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Originally Posted by Dhalmel

The NDA is only enforcing video and audio, we're open to discuss inside and out of the forum.

Honestly I can't think of much square can do other than change some targeting and menu targeting priorities. Maybe with the sixaxis shake the control to remove all menus?

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Do you know why i said there's NDA ? Because he quoted a dev response. What devs write on that forum is still not for public use, and it's bad writing around

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Originally Posted by Gukster

I hear ya', lol. I just think it'd be easier for people allowing them to, I guess keybind?, combos to a button. So instead of hitting X, O, Triangle for a combo it'd just be X, X, X. Then if, say you miss the combo or didn't pull it off in time, it went back to the initial one.

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i like this idea very much. i rather have every thing i need on one hot bar than switch between 2. at least having my "overflow" abilities that aren't important or used as much like most of the subclass abilities and some other things are very situationaly and rarely see use. +1

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

Do you know why i said there's NDA ? Because he quoted a dev response. What devs write on that forum is still not for public use, and it's bad writing around

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Keep trying.