[dev1037] Increasing Effect Size Doesn't Get Rid of the "Cookie-Cutter" Problem

Greetings,

As the title of the topic states, just increasing the size of the battle effects themselves will not get rid of the problem that myself, my linkshell, and I would assume the vast majority of players think is wrong with battle effects currently: They are all cookie-cutter.

Something that is "cookie-cutter" as defined by Webster Dictionary in this context is something that is: "marked by a lack of originality or distinction."

If one were to get on any class in the game and use the weaponskills associated with that class, they would find that 90% of the skills (the other 10% being the "final" weaponskill that the class gets i.e. Bloodletter, Simian Thrash, etc.) have the same animation effects...lacking the originality and distinction that players want.

Increasing the size of these effects will do nothing to solve the problem because player's want animations that are original, flashy, and distinctive (See Final Fantasy XI weaponskills)... Not something that's "cookie-cutter".

Please take this into consideration as you continue to improve upon the game.

The battle system as it is now is pretty original. adding auto attack however, brings it closer to not.

and this is the 3° thread on the same topic .-.
for me, increasing the size is ok for now, if in the future they redo all the effect will be still ok.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

and this is the 3° thread on the same topic .-.
for me, increasing the size is ok for now, if in the future they redo all the effect will be still ok.

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right, SE is working on it, i'm happy about the future effect size

I'd rather them to be completely redone. I hope this is not the only thing they have planned for fixing the lacklustre battle animations. Some of them are already blindingly huge.

Increasing the size would be fine. It is not really what I or any of my friends want. Like the OP, we want new different effects. Just like was already said, many current action and spell effects are simply recycled. We would like new effects created for variety. New weaponskill animations to increase variety is needed as well.

On the topic of effects. There is currently no effect associated with "resurrect". I would much rather see new effects added than the current effects' size increased.

Both are necessary. The current magic and weapon skill/player skill impacts/effects are so small, that often you wont know when something has been provoked. Yes, the majority of player animations from weapon skills need to be diverse, but a decent amount of the impacts themselves look good. They just need to be larger to actually see that detail.

Increasing the animations is better than leaving them alone. They are not that bad, take a look at past FF games, like ff12 or ff13 honestly they were not that intense either. I think the dev. team is making small fixes that have big impacts. I will admit that some of the animations are a bit overused, I.E, the Marauder weapon skills. That is something I hope gets fixed. lol

I'd start with fact that like 70% of weapon skills are either "weapon skill" or "weapon skill II". Thats far more than pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Chory

I'd start with fact that like 70% of weapon skills are either "weapon skill" or "weapon skill II". Thats far more than pathetic.

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Did you put forth any feedback on suggested skill names for the II skills yet?

Do that first.

Agreed. Making a crappy spell effect bigger doesn't make it any less crappy looking. Pretty much everything involving battle in this game is unimaginative and half-assed.

I'm happy there is some attention being focused on battle animations however simply increasing the size of the animations is not going to cut it. I understand there are still a few things to work out that may take higher priority than what an attack or spell looks like but please for the love of god don't take the easy/lazy way out. Like the OP mentioned FFXI's are original & eye-catching when compared to FFXIV's lackluster animations (AM wtf happened there?), This is a next gen MMO please take your time & redo the battle animations so they can be as visually breathtaking as the rest of the game.

I think most of us wont even realize the effects are bigger after they change em. I'm ok with the size upgrade but it clearly doesnt fix the issue of bland looking skill effects. Badass action visuals used to be a FF trademark :(

XIV is cannot be allowed to have lesser combat visual effects than XI.

The problem which most have posted on already is not so much the size, but the animations is general. They just lack in almost every aspect. There is no animation for Raise or Resurrect. The nuke spells animation are a joke. In my personal opinion the animation for spells and weaponskills need a complete overhaul. The graphics and scenery in this game is beautiful but then you witness the horrible animations for the spells and realize where they dropped the ball. Please SE do something about the lack luster animations on spells and weaponskills.....BTW making them bigger does not fix the over arching issues....Which in my opinion is the animations are horrible in general.

I heard that SE was going to totally redo the battle animations, I was totally stoked, but all they are doing now is increasing size? Really? Thats not the problem at all. Some of them are just fine as they are, for example Fire, Thunder, Protect, Shell, and Stoneskin. The problem spells are #1 Raise, what the hell happened to raise? There is absolutely no animation for it at all, when ever I raise someone they just return anyways cause they saw NOTHING, and what happened to Ancient Magic, the animations for them are so bad and the damage is so low that I never even see them go off, or see the mobs HP disappear as it should. Someone tell me why CON would use any Ancient Magic spell over Profundity > Element II spell. Lets compare:

Profundity > Fire II Cast Time: 3 Sec, MP Cost: 20, Damage as a 50 CON to a
Raptor: 500ish, with a cool animation and a cool sound
effect.


Flare Cast Time: 6 Sec + 40 Sec with the mob beating on you before
it goes off, MP Cost: 100, damage to a raptor: 450ish, with a
few pathetic sparks for an animation, most time in the chaos of
battle you don't even know it went off. The sound effect
sounds like someone shaking a rug, not an atomic bomb
going off like we would expect.

Like I said not all spells look bad, but the ones that are bad and you know which ones they are, don't need to just be made bigger but totally redone, sound and all.

Since they increased the mob size, im sure they felt they needed to increase the effect size. Of course this isn't going to be the only thing they do.

ever since the beta i couldn't get over how pathetic provoke was compared to ffxi. I would like to see a total revamp to the whole animation system starting with each race having a spacific animation like how XI was. EX: taru casting different from hume ect, taru provoke differently than a hume ect.

The base spells really did need a bigger impact image. Fire looks like a small shot of embers, when it should like a quick flare up...if that makes any sense.

Fire/Thunder/Blizzard were not fine.

I like the enhancement of the battle effects. I hope the [visual] enhancement will also include vivid additional animations for particular battle effects. Example: BATTLE REGIMENS!!!!!!! Please make these combos (or some of the combos) visually distinctive--instead of just pink limbs, weapons, and monsters.