What i hope for ARR graphics

From what i see in videos and screenshots. Hopefully we see the same changes for ARR like in 1.0. :

1.0. Alpha
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/al...3830626365.jpg

1.0. Beta
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/al...3766623661.jpg

http://i1-games.softpedia-static.com...on-Video_3.jpg

http://i1-games.softpedia-static.com...on-Video_2.jpg

the Beta of 1.0. really improved the graphics for 1.0. version and i hope so for ARR. otherwise we would lose a lot of quality in my opinion.

the first screenshot reminds me of the graphics which we see on screenshots for ARR. when it comes to these "mat colors".

anybody knows what they improved there? Gamma reduction? Shaders? etc.?

The biggest change between those two shots appears to me that they added interior shadows and allowed the light sources to illuminate the characters. In the first shot, it looks like the lights don't affect the environment or the characters at all.

i think yoshi-p's internal version is more closer to the final version we will get at official launch. none of the alpha video releasted so far can match that...you can see in his controller demonstration video or 6th live letter for the sneak peek.

hopes that addressed your concern ;P

Don't forget they'll implement DX11 after launch, so that should definitely improve things.

Once they add DX11 support i bet they support higher resolution textures. Which would make the game look even better. Also they said they keep supporting higher and higher graphics for PC version as time goes by to always be a great looking game.

And again I see people talking about DX11 being a mystical magic pill... You can have your great graphics and high texture resolution without DX11. All it does is make certain things easier for the devs to implement or for your GPU to process at less cost.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

And again I see people talking about DX11 being a mystical magic pill... You can have your great graphics and high texture resolution without DX11. All it does is make certain things easier for the devs to implement or for your GPU to process at less cost.

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Will seeing how they need DX11 to bring out higher texture resolution.Then it current in the final game i would say there more too it then that. If not they would not worry about wasting all the money to make DX11 support.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Will seeing how they need DX11 to bring out higher texture resolution.Then it current in the final game i would say there more too it then that. If not they would not worry about wasting all the money to make DX11 support.

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comment makes no sense, you can have any resolution textures in either directX the .dds files for textures are native to it and depending on which version you use of DX you will have there shaders render different and have more features in the higher version. size of the textures only matters on how big they want the file size since its going to be loaded in memory.

they cant waste money on something they dont have to pay for there already making the game on windows just a matter of saving a file with other settings on the asset side.

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Originally Posted by indira

comment makes no sense, you can have any resolution textures in either directX the .dds files for textures are native to it and depending on which version you use of DX you will have there shaders render different and have more features in the higher version. size of the textures only matters on how big they want the file size since its going to be loaded in memory.

they cant waste money on something they dont have to pay for there already making the game on windows just a matter of saving a file with other settings on the asset side.

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will that make sense but Soukyuu say they don't need DX11 to support it. So wonder why they need DX11 for then seeing how i don't really understand how DX work i leave it at that.

I'll i was saying is that they going to release DX11 with higher texture resolution so i was guessing they needed DX11 to do so.

They don't need DX11 for higher textures, but I'd guess the reason they're trying to keep textures low at the moment is to keep it within the PS3 memory limits but also not have to make the PC and PS3 builds too different from each other at the moment. I don't see why it should matter that much or delay implementation, since the textures are obviously created large and then scaled down, and PC and PS3 clients are still going to be slightly different anyways so there's no reason that PC's couldn't check an option to use the higher res textures, regardless of DX version. Pegging it on DX11 sounds to me like a way to skirt around a 'PS3 limitations' excuse.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

I'll i was saying is that they going to release DX11 with higher texture resolution so i was guessing they needed DX11 to do so.

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1.0 had higher texture resolution, without DX11, so no, DX11 is not mandatory for it.

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Originally Posted by Myranda

They don't need DX11 for higher textures, but I'd guess the reason they're trying to keep textures low at the moment is to keep it within the PS3 memory limits but also not have to make the PC and PS3 builds too different from each other at the moment. I don't see why it should matter that much or delay implementation, since the textures are obviously created large and then scaled down, and PC and PS3 clients are still going to be slightly different anyways so there's no reason that PC's couldn't check an option to use the higher res textures, regardless of DX version. Pegging it on DX11 sounds to me like a way to skirt around a 'PS3 limitations' excuse.

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Yoshi-p said that the PC would have better graphic and the PS3 wont limit that. So ya once DX11 come out they make the graphic better even tho they don't need it, it seem like they still going to release it so w/e :)

I feel Yoshi-P got misquoted when mentioning DirectX11

As a developer I know that alot of the potential features being potentially added such as;
Tesselation
Ambient Occlusion
Hi-Resolution Textures
High End Particle Simulation
Physics improvements
Depth of Field (Field and cut scenes)

All of the above and more are capable with DirectX 9, however the process through DirectX 11 allows for a smoother, faster experience with all of the above.

More notably DirectX 11 allows for sharper shadows and more accurate lighting with deferred rendering. Faster too! [Lighting and Shadows]


Here is how I see it panning out;

DirectX 9 [Toggle/Client] - Release Candidate, suitable for mid-range > high-end PC's.
This is appropriate for the launch of the game, making sure both the PC and PS3 versions are stable and playable.

DirectX 11 [Toggle/Client] - A High-end client boasting all of the above potential additions, with a performance increase available for those with the appropriate hardware.

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The main problem with the PS3 is the memory limit, MMOs in particular eats up a beastly amount of memory. More than your average shoot 'em up. So for Square Enix to get all this content crammed into the PS3 whilst maintaining an interesting PC version is phenomenal, really.

Also, don't forget the PS3 is completely DX version independent since DX is windows only. PS3 uses openGL, so the feature set is independent to begin with.

The important thing is that even though DX11 isn't technically needed, at least they're going to be giving us the higher resolution textures and other features eventually when they do make the DX11 client.

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Originally Posted by Myranda

The important thing is that even though DX11 isn't technically needed, at least they're going to be giving us the higher resolution textures and other features eventually when they do make the DX11 client.

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I agree, the important thing is that they are putting in the effort to make a high-spec PC version of the game that will take advantage of directx 11 in addition to having higher resolution textures, etc.

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Originally Posted by Robobandit

I agree, the important thing is that they are putting in the effort to make a high-spec PC version of the game that will take advantage of directx 11 in addition to having higher resolution textures, etc.

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If they just even popped out some Hi-Resolution Textures and some decent Anti-Aliasing Options i'd be hooked for the next 5+ years.

DX11 isn't needed for high resolution textures but it is more optimized with high resolution textures and multi threaded processes. In result you will get better performance with the use of high res textures than you would with DX9.

As far a DX11 support goes we should also keep in mind that PS4 will be launched later this year and it supports DX11 and from what i have read its architecture is similar to pc, so by supporting DX11 for pc they can also port it to PS4.

I think PS3 memory is the reason for low res textures and low end pcs as well and since this game is in development for less then 2 years which is very short period of time as far as mmo are concerned and high res textures will only benefit high end pcs they decided to implement it after the launch and maybe we get more then just high res textures and few DX11 features because of PS4, that is if there is a PS4 version.

Question - when DX11 support, along with whatever further engine optimizations are finally added, will it (DX11) be automatically used by your PC if it is able? And what affect would these additional optimizations and DX11 have, if any, on CPU and GPU load? Would it raise or lower their loads? Or maybe that's a dumb question. My hope and expectation is that your computer will be able to do more with less effort (this was my understanding). Look/play better with lighter load percentages. Would this be accurate?

I see people "complaining" that they "only" get a 30% CPU load, as if they want their processor to be doing 80% or something. Similar complaints with GPU use. This confuses me. Do they WANT their computers to work harder?

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Originally Posted by Umer

As far a DX11 support goes we should also keep in mind that PS4 will be launched later this year and it supports DX11 and from what i have read its architecture is similar to pc, so by supporting DX11 for pc they can also port it to PS4.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Also, don't forget the PS3 is completely DX version independent since DX is windows only

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ANY DirectX code is windows only. They won't port it to the PS4 because the PS4 doesn't run windows. They will port the openGL version (if at all).

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Originally Posted by JillyBean

Question - when DX11 support, along with whatever further engine optimizations are finally added, will it (DX11) be automatically used by your PC if it is able? And what affect would these additional optimizations and DX11 have, if any, on CPU and GPU load? Would it raise or lower their loads? Or maybe that's a dumb question. My hope and expectation is that your computer will be able to do more with less effort (this was my understanding). Look/play better with lighter load percentages. Would this be accurate?

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Yes, that's about it. All newer GPUs are DX11 compatible, so if they implement DX11 features your GPU will automatically use it. At least most games detect which mode they have to launch in automatically, from what I saw.

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I see people "complaining" that they "only" get a 30% CPU load, as if they want their processor to be doing 80% or something. Similar complaints with GPU use. This confuses me. Do they WANT their computers to work harder?

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Well, it's one thing if your GPU/CPU is running at 60fps and using only 30% of the resources (= hardware "too powerful" for the game), and completely another when it stutters like hell while not using all of the resources (= bad optimization)

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Yes, that's about it. All newer GPUs are DX11 compatible, so if they implement DX11 features your GPU will automatically use it. At least most games detect which mode they have to launch in automatically, from what I saw.

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Not quite automatically. It would be a separate client than the DX9 one, so you'd click on a different .exe file. Still pretty simple though.

I want the graphics to look like this again...and thanks to whoever took this picture!

http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/...ps14e79252.png

Without DX 11, you won't get tesselation and other features.
I do 3d animation for a living sometimes, it actually matters.
It also helps improve performance in general.

Regardless I bought 2x gtx 680 and the more I can push em, the better. :P
I wants.. All the tea...