Roaming Primals?

Just curious if anyone knows and has any links/evidence as proof about if all the Primals will now be roaming or non-roaming.

Now I thought Odin was the only primal announced that will be a roaming primal, meaning a different area every spawn, and that all the others will be as they were?

Are all the Primals going to be roaming now(because Ifrit in the benchmark video did look like a roaming primal, but that could just be it's new battlefield)? Or am I right and Odin is the only one?

Also if they are all going to me roaming, how much will their battles change? I think Yoshi said they will only change a little, but will basically be the same? Thanks :o

Odin will be different from other Primals, but HOW different was not said. (Something about his strength, it grews each time he is defetead)
As far as I know, all Primals will be roaming and the fight instanced. (You can fight it only with your Party/Ally)

They seem to have backed off of this a bit. Primals will be instanced, but in some way we don't know yet the instance itself will be somewhat roaming. Meanwhile, FATE versions of each primal are at least on the drawing board (though not quite to the planning board yet). Beyond that - not much can be said.

Ok thanks for the replies, that's what I was confused on, I guess they will be roaming so you have to find them, but when you actually fight them you go into an instanced fight. Makes more sense now :) and ya forgot Odin getting stronger each time, ooooo so how strong is he gonna get o.o

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Originally Posted by PEANUT

ooooo so how strong is he gonna get o.o

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<Impossible to gauge!>

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Originally Posted by Pwnagraphic

<Impossible to gauge!>

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Haha, we would have to wait for a few expansions and lvl limit increases to beat him ;)

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Originally Posted by PEANUT

Haha, we would have to wait for a few expansions and lvl limit increases to beat him ;)

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I actually think that would be pretty cool. Having a monster wandering around that everyone knew to {Run away!} from, at least until the next tier of gear and levels came out.

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Originally Posted by Hulan

They seem to have backed off of this a bit. Primals will be instanced, but in some way we don't know yet the instance itself will be somewhat roaming. Meanwhile, FATE versions of each primal are at least on the drawing board (though not quite to the planning board yet). Beyond that - not much can be said.

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There is no FATE primal that was just for marketing pretty much a PR thing.

Odin is a elder primal i think i remember that he lost his memory. Each time he dies he learn something which make him stronger each time he kill he drop better items.

Yoshi-p said that Odin going to get to the point that only players with the best gear can take him down. At the start he would be somewhat easy and not drop that many good items but as people kill him he remember more and more and he drop better loot and become stronger.

But ya sorry for the player who was thinking the primal are in the FATE that just for marketing. But you know they could change there mind but it seem dumb that they would pop in a FATE the roaming instance make more sense.

From Reinhart's unofficial translation of the live letter:

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Originally Posted by Reinhart

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# Q27: How will the primal fights change in ARR?
# A27: They will be basically be the same as the fights in version 1.0. However, we will be making some minor tweaks based on the new battle system and the primals will have a larger role in the main scenario.
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f; How will the primal battles such as Ifrit, Moogle, and Garuda be in ARR?
y; umm, basics for those that played previous FFXIV, just imagine the primal battles from then
y; however, this time it involves with the main scenario so the standing position and cut scene is different
y; also the skills they use is matched to the ARR’s battle so it’s different
y; Say for Titan, Titan is new, like there are many things, like the ground breaking through, flying, dropping. There are lots using ground gimmicks.
y; And as the contents gets updated, less people will play, so at that time we’ll have Ifrit show up in public field, and like the benchmark it becomes a F.A.T.E. and from there people can use it as great summon (dai-shoukan)

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Sounds to me like they're going to start as instanced fights (sounds like static location rather than roaming since they may be involved in the main story, but hard to say at this point), and then later be reimplemented as FATEs or something similar. They certainly have seemed to back away a bit from making them completely roaming, but perhaps not abandoning it entirely. I think we're just gonna have to wait and see for ourselves, unfortunately.

I don't remember hearing about Odin getting stronger, though I don't doubt that the info is authentic. It worried me a bit because there's going to be hard-core groups seeking him out and defeating him constantly, quickly raising the difficulty to a point where it would be hard for less die hard groups to ever take him out even once unless there's a certain maximum he'll cap at...

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Originally Posted by Myranda

From Reinhart's unofficial translation of the live letter:


Sounds to me like they're going to start as instanced fights (sounds like static location rather than roaming since they may be involved in the main story, but hard to say at this point), and then later be reimplemented as FATEs or something similar. They certainly have seemed to back away a bit from making them completely roaming, but perhaps not abandoning it entirely. I think we're just gonna have to wait and see for ourselves, unfortunately.

I don't remember hearing about Odin getting stronger, though I don't doubt that the info is authentic. It worried me a bit because there's going to be hard-core groups seeking him out and defeating him constantly, quickly raising the difficulty to a point where it would be hard for less die hard groups to ever take him out even once unless there's a certain maximum he'll cap at...

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he cap at a level but it would be to the point that only the top players can take him on. But that the point of this primal is to give top players something fun to fight and drop awesome loot.

i think there are 2 different system in plan.

• weapon primal, you go to instance and fight for weapon drop
• summoning primal, LS can claim them...spawn with time slot. only 1 in a world. if LS use it, then its free again after helping LS. despawn after certain time no use too

*LS or free companies
2nd one will be open world...

primal this name should only give to the beastmens god i think, so that's why Odin shouldn't be primal. some of the lore forum veterns can explain better...:cool:


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add in the proof :D & real interview

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JPGAMES.DE, Frederick: What about the primal and the summoning?

Yoshida Naoki: The summoning system of FINAL FANTASY XIV is quite different from what you know from other classes, like the summoning classes or the beast master classes. It’s totally different, because to me the primals – Ifrit, Titan, Leviathan or Moogle – are all gods in the game and I don’t want to have several mini-Ifrits on the battlefield, because that doesn’t make sense. *laughs* I really want just one Ifrit in one world and the free company that defeats him gets the license to summon this primal. If that company summons or calls Ifrit, on the whole world the weather will change, so everyone will realize that someone called Ifrit. The world will be like in flames. To me, this is really FINAL FANTASY-like.

For example, if they defeat Ifrit, they have one chance to summon. But once they summon Ifrit, it goes away and someone else needs to defeat him to have another go at summoning him. We will give you more details, but this is how it looks like at the moment – so be excited!

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found another article by accident

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Another iconic aspect of Final Fantasy games, Summons, or Primals as they are called in Final Fantasy XIV, will provide new content for players in version 2.0. Primals, such as Ifrit and Shiva, will appear throughout the game world and can be fought by groups of players and then captured. Upon capture, the Primal will be unavailable on that particular server until it is used in combat. Once called to battle, the Primal will be released from the player’s control and will reappear elsewhere in the world so it may be captured again.

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Originally Posted by Deli

i think there are 2 different system in plan.

• weapon primal, you go to instance and fight for weapon drop
• summoning primal, LS can claim them...spawn with time slot. only 1 in a world. if LS use it, then its free again after helping LS. despawn after certain time no use too

*LS or free companies
2nd one will be open world...

primal this name should only give to the beastmens god i think, so that's why Odin shouldn't be primal. some of the lore forum veterns can explain better...:cool:

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If that's the truth every FFXI fanboy is jumping for joy right now. Myself included.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

he cap at a level but it would be to the point that only the top players can take him on. But that the point of this primal is to give top players something fun to fight and drop awesome loot.

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As long as he caps I'm cool with it, it's a neat idea. A difficult fight is good, but if it got harder without bound, it just takes a single LS/FC to crank it up to the point where only they can challenge it (or maybe not even them anymore...)

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Originally Posted by Deli

i think there are 2 different system in plan.

• weapon primal, you go to instance and fight for weapon drop
• summoning primal, LS can claim them...spawn with time slot. only 1 in a world. if LS use it, then its free again after helping LS. despawn after certain time no use too

*LS or free companies
2nd one will be open world...

primal this name should only give to the beastmens god i think, so that's why Odin shouldn't be primal. some of the lore forum veterns can explain better...:cool:


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add in the proof :D & real interview

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Yeah I remember that idea about primals being a special 1-time group summon after defeating it open world from fairly early on in ARR's development. One just has to wonder how closely they're sticking to that.

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Originally Posted by Myranda

From Reinhart's unofficial translation of the live letter:


Sounds to me like they're going to start as instanced fights (sounds like static location rather than roaming since they may be involved in the main story, but hard to say at this point), and then later be reimplemented as FATEs or something similar. They certainly have seemed to back away a bit from making them completely roaming, but perhaps not abandoning it entirely. I think we're just gonna have to wait and see for ourselves, unfortunately.

I don't remember hearing about Odin getting stronger, though I don't doubt that the info is authentic. It worried me a bit because there's going to be hard-core groups seeking him out and defeating him constantly, quickly raising the difficulty to a point where it would be hard for less die hard groups to ever take him out even once unless there's a certain maximum he'll cap at...

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This about sums it up nicely.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

There is no FATE primal that was just for marketing pretty much a PR thing.

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He said at some point that they would like to implement Primals as FATEs in at some point in the future, which is what I was referring to.

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Originally Posted by Myranda

As long as he caps I'm cool with it, it's a neat idea. A difficult fight is good, but if it got harder without bound, it just takes a single LS/FC to crank it up to the point where only they can challenge it (or maybe not even them anymore...)



Yeah I remember that idea about primals being a special 1-time group summon after defeating it open world from fairly early on in ARR's development. One just has to wonder how closely they're sticking to that.

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Ya he caps but once they make the level cap like 55 or 60 i'm guessing his cap would also be fix and drop better item for that level. Which mean odin could be a primal that we could enjoy for years to come.

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Originally Posted by Hulan

He said at some point that they would like to implement Primals as FATEs in at some point in the future, which is what I was referring to.

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ya sorry did not read that part of the interview :)

Is there a time limit on how long a LS/Grand Company can have the Primal in their possession? They can't have it forever and decide not to use it, can they?

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Originally Posted by PEANUT

Is there a time limit on how long a LS/Grand Company can have the Primal in their possession? They can't have it forever and decide not to use it, can they?

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Maybe I didn't say it clearly, but...

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Originally Posted by Deli

i think there are 2 different system in plan.

• weapon primal, you go to instance and fight for weapon drop
• summoning primal, LS can claim them...spawn with time slot. only 1 in a world. if LS use it, then its free again after helping LS. despawn after certain time no use too

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I posted this elsewhere, but it makes sense to post here too:

# Q27: How will the primal fights change in ARR?
# A27: They will be basically be the same as the fights in version 1.0. However, we will be making some minor tweaks based on the new battle system and the primals will have a larger role in the main scenario.
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Note: This updated info is all thanks to Reinheart. Props to you, mate. (I have paraphrased slightly from the translation to help in the ease of reading.)

Foxclon:
How will the primal battles such as Ifrit, Moogle, and Garuda be in ARR?

Yoshida:
For those that played FFXIV before the 7th Umbral Era event, we imagine that the primal battles will operate much like back then, however this time it is part of the ARR main scenario, so the standing position and cut scene will be different. Also the skills they use are updated to the new battle mechanics in ARR, so it’s different. Say for Titan, Titan is new- there are many things, like the ground breaking through, flying, dropping. There are lots of ground gimmicks being used.

As the content gets updated, fewer people will play, so at that time we’ll have Ifrit show up in the public field, and like the benchmark demo, it will become a F.A.T.E., and from that point on people can defeat it to earn and use it as high-summon.

So the main points I see are:

* Primals are further embedded in the story, instead of merely as a GC ranking path or side quest.
* Once enough people outgrow their usefulness, a future patch will implement a public FATE version of the primals (previously they used the term "True Garuda" as an example.)


I am in full support of this logic in the content. :)

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Originally Posted by PEANUT

Is there a time limit on how long a LS/Grand Company can have the Primal in their possession? They can't have it forever and decide not to use it, can they?

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yoshi-p give many example on how it would work so i give you a few.

He said if LS/FC got ifrit they would need to fill in a bar first "He did not give any info on how to fill this bar" You have a limit of 1Week to fill this bar. If you don't fill the bar you lose the primal and it would return back to the world. If you did not summon your primal within the set time it would return back to the world.

Once you summon a primal all of eorzea would know that your FC/LS have summon a primal. They be a weather happening he give a example of the sky turning red if you summon ifrit.

I hope there more too it then just the sky turning red maybe ash falling from the sky if it other primal it be snow or strong winds and so on.


Last information he give was something like if you summon a primal your LS/FC would have a time limit before you can go out and get the primal again. Sadly he give no information if you can go out and get different i primal or if you lock out of them all to the time is over.

Remember all this example he give could be 100 different by the time FFXIV ARR get release but i'm sure it be somewhat the same.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

I hope there more too it then just the sky turning red maybe ash falling from the sky....

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Black hole sun, won't you come, and wash away the rain....

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

yoshi-p give many example on how it would work so i give you a few.

He said if LS/FC got ifrit they would need to fill in a bar first "He did not give any info on how to fill this bar" You have a limit of 1Week to fill this bar. If you don't fill the bar you lose the primal and it would return back to the world. If you did not summon your primal within the set time it would return back to the world.

Once you summon a primal all of eorzea would know that your FC/LS have summon a primal. They be a weather happening he give a example of the sky turning red if you summon ifrit.

I hope there more too it then just the sky turning red maybe ash falling from the sky if it other primal it be snow or strong winds and so on.


Last information he give was something like if you summon a primal your LS/FC would have a time limit before you can go out and get the primal again. Sadly he give no information if you can go out and get different i primal or if you lock out of them all to the time is over.

Remember all this example he give could be 100 different by the time FFXIV ARR get release but i'm sure it be somewhat the same.

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Thats a little more reassuring if theres a time limit after you get the summon, so other people have chances to get them too. I don't think there would be a time limit period once one has been summoned. Yoshi is smart I am sure he will come up with a good strategy, and he has a great team helping him :)

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Black hole sun, won't you come, and wash away the rain....

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Yes this, just a red sky is bleh, w.e weather/setting's happen during the actual fights should happen when they are summoned. Like Ifrits black sun, or garudas green foggy/cloudy sky with rays of light shining through.

i thought i read somewhere that u can have the primal for 2 weeks, or you have 2 weeks to fill up the gauge. and you have to fill up the gauge with the whole group or sumtin like that

You gain a "card" or some kind that lasts a week or two then it goes back into the wild. Which is good, because he knows certain shells would purely hold the primals to be jerks.

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Originally Posted by Sirakitty

i thought i read somewhere that u can have the primal for 2 weeks, or you have 2 weeks to fill up the gauge. and you have to fill up the gauge with the whole group or sumtin like that

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he just give out example but he said you have 1week to fill the bar then the remanding time to summon him or you lose the primal and it would return back to the world.