Advice on a New Gaming Laptop

**After talking it out with everyone changed my mind and will hopefully build my first SUPER computer :D

After burning my motherboard up on my last laptop (Sony Vaio). Now just using it for low stress work till it finally blows up. That means I need a new computer to play ARR. I have done a lot of looking and research and I know that building my own rig would be best for what I want but would like a laptop rather then a desktop that will run ARR perfectly.

Research: After comparing the top 10 Gaming Laptops
http://computers.toptenreviews.com/gaming-laptops/

It shows that Alienware is rated number 1; yet I dislike them along with Radeon cards. So I went with the MSI GT70 now the only issue is what model I really should get. So I am asking you "the community" for advice.

2 Models are: GT70 0NE-452US and the GT70 0NE-446US

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....centerwell.jsp

So a little help deciding between the 2 would be greatly appreciated.

Since best buy link seems to not be working here is 2 separate links to laptops:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/MSI---17...=1218814316824
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/MSI---17...=1218814309449

best buy link no worky >.>;;

what are the laptop model #s

In general the biggest bottleneck in a laptop is always going to be the GPU. So buy the one with the best GPU.

Added separate links to computers hopefully those will work better

Asus ROG Laptop

really sucks you want to spend all that money on a laptop when you could build a monster of a desktop for a couple hundred less.

Ive never liked laptops for gaming simply because overheating issues. When your playing a mmo for long periods of time its going to get hot. Heat is not good =P

but if you're going to do it, do it right

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/MSI---17...=1218814316824

The 256 will offer way more room to play with as you will want your top 1 or 2 games on it as well as the operating system.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

best buy link no worky >.>;;

what are the laptop model #s

In general the biggest bottleneck in a laptop is always going to be the GPU. So buy the one with the best GPU.

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They both have NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680M cards and both have 4GB GDDR5 (dedicated) for video only real difference in the two is the RPM and HD size one is 7200 RPM with 1006GB HD and other is 5400 RPM and 1TB; 128GB HD both have SSD's as well

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoint

really sucks you want to spend all that money on a laptop when you could build a monster of a desktop for a couple hundred less.

Ive never liked laptops for gaming simply because overheating issues. When your playing a mmo for long periods of time its going to get hot. Heat is not good =P

but if you're going to do it, do it right

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/MSI---17...=1218814316824

The 256 will offer way more room to play with as you will want your top 1 or 2 games on it as well as the operating system.

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I wouldn't mind building one eventually just time issue ~_~: I take care of my grandma every day 24/7 so finding the time to buy parts and put it all together then figuring out all the BEST parts would be the issue so figured it would be easy to just buy a laptop ~_~;

If you're willing to spend that much, go somewhere like here. http://www.xoticpc.com

Note: There are plenty more resellers like this, like pctorque iirc and some others.

this is the one I bought a little over a year ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8ugfPdc2Yg

No longer carried, though they do carry better ones now.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoint

really sucks you want to spend all that money on a laptop when you could build a monster of a desktop for a couple hundred less.

Ive never liked laptops for gaming simply because overheating issues. When your playing a mmo for long periods of time its going to get hot. Heat is not good =P

but if you're going to do it, do it right

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/MSI---17...=1218814316824

The 256 will offer way more room to play with as you will want your top 1 or 2 games on it as well as the operating system.

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ya, i hate laptop because of this. but im happy with my current laptop, Asus G series, the internal cooling is really good, + i have my Coolermaster pad, which make it a really monster laptop :D

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Originally Posted by Forte

I wouldn't mind building one eventually just time issue ~_~: I take care of my grandma every day 24/7 so finding the time to buy parts and put it all together then figuring out all the BEST parts would be the issue so figured it would be easy to just buy a laptop ~_~;

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picking out the parts is super easy, building it will take you about an hour 1/2 (if its your first time building), then installing windows/drivers/updates another 2 hours (but installing windows only takes about an hour) the updates can happen over time.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoint

picking out the parts is super easy, building it will take you about an hour 1/2 (if its your first time building), then installing windows/drivers/updates another 2 hours (but installing windows only takes about an hour) the updates can happen over time.

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Yeah we've got PC building down to an art form now.

Well with the prices range I had 2400-2500 how much better would a Desktop home build be over one of these laptops? Might just build one now if I can use you all for help and what I need to make ARR run perfectly

2.5K Range? A properly built desktop would squash ANY laptop or even Desknote.

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Originally Posted by Forte

Well with the prices range I had 2400-2500 how much better would a Desktop home build be over one of these laptops? Might just build one now if I can use you all for help and what I need to make ARR run perfectly

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with that much, probably better be using Desktop...
*just realize ur using my create signature! Thanks! <3 will make more better one in future when v4 Signature Creator is up!*

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

with that much, probably better be using Desktop...
*just realize ur using my create signature! Thanks! <3 will make more better one in future when v4 Signature Creator is up!*

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lol Yes I liked these style sigs :D and I guess its time to build a Desktop then \(0.o)/

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Originally Posted by Forte

lol Yes I liked these style sigs :D and I guess its time to build a Desktop then \(0.o)/

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^^ if you want a personal one! tell me, include with personal pictures and stuff!

email to shojikun[@]sfzstudio.net

Now who wants to help me put together a shopping list :D *it better to buy all parts online and have shipped here or is Best Buy a ok place to buy stuff* Not a lot of options that Im aware of around the area were my grandma lives :P

Cosair Graphite 600T White
Asus z77 Sabetooth MB
i5 3570k cpu standard 3.2GHz (Oc'd 4.2GHz stable)
Radeon HD 7950 DD Black Edition (oc'd) [ I know you dont like radeon but im listing for a price reference)
32 GB Corsair LP ram (oc'd)
Coolmaster 850W Power supply 100% Modular
8 Cosair high end fans
2 120mm Led Case fans
H100 Water cooler for Cpu
128 GB SSD
3 TB HDD 7200rpm
and a Blueray drive

AFTER rebates and everything (nothing on sale) i spent $1475 + free shipping, took me 3hrs to have it up and running ffxiv 1.XX

And i score a decent 9234~8876 on 1920x1080 on benchmark ( have gotten 10k but i pushed stability just to satisfy my ego)

Would love to help/answer any questions as well

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Originally Posted by Forte

Now who wants to help me put together a shopping list :D *it better to buy all parts online and have shipped here or is Best Buy a ok place to buy stuff* Not a lot of options that Im aware of around the area were my grandma lives :P

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i wouldn't mind, i enjoy doing this for friends all the time

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Originally Posted by Buffmage

Cosair Graphite 600T White
Asus z77 Sabetooth MB
i5 3570k cpu standard 3.2GHz (Oc'd 4.2GHz stable)
Radeon HD 7950 DD Black Edition (oc'd) [ I know you dont like radeon but im listing for a price reference)
32 GB Corsair LP ram (oc'd)
Coolmaster 850W Power supply 100% Modular
8 Cosair high end fans
2 120mm Led Case fans
H100 Water cooler for Cpu
128 GB SSD
3 TB HDD 7200rpm
and a Blueray drive

AFTER rebates and everything (nothing on sale) i spent $1475 + free shipping, took me 3hrs to have it up and running ffxiv 1.XX

And i score a decent 9234~8876 on 1920x1080 on benchmark ( have gotten 10k but i pushed stability just to satisfy my ego)

Would love to help/answer any questions as well

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How much would upgrading to i7 from your i5 be?

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Originally Posted by Forte

How much would upgrading to i7 from your i5 be?

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depends on the i7 you buy, like people have mentioned, with your budget you could build a desktop that would crush anything that is out now that plays on pc

Just as an FYI, most people go with the i5s for a few reasons. Cheaper obviously, but the other is that typically an i5 and i7 of the same clock speed will perform almost the same in games.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Just as an FYI, most people go with the i5s for a few reasons. Cheaper obviously, but the other is that typically an i5 and i7 of the same clock speed will perform almost the same in games.

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Because no games (at the moment) take advantage of Hyper Threading (HT) that i7s have to offer, and in some cases can lower game performance by a mesley 1~2%, but with desktop you tend to buy for the future as well. all up to the buyer preference wants/needs

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116501
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231503
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139014
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131818
2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130768
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147053 (this is a good case that allows for great cable management, but its pure prefrence. However make sure before you buy a case that your parst are going to fit)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827135247
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820147193
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148840
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103176

Now you will need some odds and ends. Thermal Paste, couple fans, and some 6g cables
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812123276 cables
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835100007 paste

2373.86 with no monitor

Need a monitor??
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236123

2619 with monitor.


Now by no means is this me looking for bargains, I can find a system with this build cheaper. Would just take me another 30minutes or so. I wsa just tossing stuff in the cart.

Also, this is by no means top of the line. Top shelf GPU's alone run up to 1200 each.

Anyways, yea! Beast machine =P

1k on SLI? haha

thank you all for the help :D I will look into everything that is posted and see what I can get started and once again thank you all so much :D

I have a Samsung LN32A330J1D HD TV for my monitor would that work well with the set up you laid out Sinister?

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoint

Now by no means is this me looking for bargains, I can find a system with this build cheaper. Would just take me another 30minutes or so. I wsa just tossing stuff in the cart.

Also, this is by no means top of the line. Top shelf GPU's alone run up to 1200 each.

Anyways, yea! Beast machine =P

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Would you be willing to look for some equal to in performance but cheaper? If not I will slowly do it but wow this is a nice list I love the case would like to keep it and work from there :D

Sager Notebook computers are the best bang for the buck in my opinion when it comes to gaming laptops. They start out decently powerful at ~$1600 to the ridiculously powerful ones at $5k+.

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Originally Posted by jwang

Sager Notebook computers are the best bang for the buck in my opinion when it comes to gaming laptops. They start out decently powerful at ~$1600 to the ridiculously powerful ones at $5k+.

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Yeah, my NP7280 ran me 4k, and that was without HDD/RAM/OS, and that was over a year ago.

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Originally Posted by Forte

**After talking it out with everyone changed my mind and will hopefully build my first SUPER computer :D

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Good choice, Laptops are awful and expencive.

I have an Alienware M17x R4. i7-3610QM, gtx 660, 8gb 1600, and a 128 gb ssd and it scored a 4000 at 1080p maxed. A lot of people don't like alienwares because of their price tag, but I've owned 3 and never had a problem. All of them performed really well. They ARE overpriced, but I just LOVE the way they look so I don't really care.

However you will always get more power for cheaper in a desktop. I spent $1500 and got a computer that scored an 7000 on the benchmark. i5s seem to be the popular choice now, my grandpa has a 3570 in his along with a gtx670 and scored a 7000. You WILL see improvements with an i7 I believe. Another PC I built has a i7-3820 with a 660 and also scored a 7000. It has a slower GPU with an i7, so having an i7 must be somewhat better. Maybe it's because it supports quad channel memory and bigger caches? I don't know that much into it. You might wanna hold off until the 700 series comes out, or those new titan cards. The 600 series will drop in price, and the new ones will be better for the price of a 600 currently probably.

PS) The 3770k outperforms the 3820 for cheaper, so a 3770k with my gtx660 wouldve out done the 3570k with a 670. Don't do what I did and get the 2011 socket CPU, I wish I would've gotten a 1155 socket mobo so I could've easily switched to the new Ivy Bridge CPUs. ; ;

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Originally Posted by Sonicrich05

I have an Alienware M17x R4. i7-3610QM, gtx 660, 8gb 1600, and a 128 gb ssd and it scored a 4000 at 1080p maxed. A lot of people don't like alienwares because of their price tag, but I've owned 3 and never had a problem. All of them performed really well. They ARE overpriced, but I just LOVE the way they look so I don't really care.

However you will always get more power for cheaper in a desktop. I spent $1500 and got a computer that scored an 7000 on the benchmark. i5s seem to be the popular choice now, my grandpa has a 3570 in his along with a gtx670 and scored a 7000. You WILL see improvements with an i7 I believe. Another PC I built has a i7-3820 with a 660 and also scored a 7000. It has a slower GPU with an i7, so having an i7 must be somewhat better. Maybe it's because it supports quad channel memory and bigger caches? I don't know that much into it. You might wanna hold off until the 700 series comes out, or those new titan cards. The 600 series will drop in price, and the new ones will be better for the price of a 600 currently probably.

PS) The 3770k outperforms the 3820 for cheaper, so a 3770k with my gtx660 wouldve out done the 3570k with a 670. Don't do what I did and get the 2011 socket CPU, I wish I would've gotten a 1155 socket mobo so I could've easily switched to the new Ivy Bridge CPUs. ; ;

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No heart for ROG Asus? :P

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Originally Posted by Buffmage

And i score a decent 9234~8876 on 1920x1080 on benchmark ( have gotten 10k but i pushed stability just to satisfy my ego)

Would love to help/answer any questions as well

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Your post in the benchmark thread lists a ~7100 score on 1920x1080 Maximum preset. The higher scores you're posting here are misleading with "custom" settings and lower resolutions, unless you have new screenshots?

I only ask/looked because I have a 7950 and your claim seemed suspect.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

No heart for ROG Asus? :P

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The alienwares look much better to me lol Even the feel of an alienware is nice. It's like a soft...velvet stuff? Plus I can make my keyboard like a light show >.>

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Originally Posted by Forte

Would you be willing to look for some equal to in performance but cheaper? If not I will slowly do it but wow this is a nice list I love the case would like to keep it and work from there :D

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Sure thing, and if your TV has a pc hook up it will work just fine. I use a 47" flatscreen myself

you can email me at Atzenx@hotmail.com

Hopefully you decide to buy a desktop, but if your still leaning towards the laptop, both of the laptop links your provide should give you pretty much the same performance, main difference between the two is the more expensive one has more storage space.

I would recommend building your own desktop since they can be easily upgraded yourself and they can be more powerful than any laptop of the same value.

But if you are like my wife, she likes the ability to be able to sit anywhere and take it with her anywhere so that's the only plus to a laptop. The last laptop I had...I had to keep ice packs under it to keep it from overheating and reducing my FPS down to 1 >_>

I've been gaming on laptop and desktop for years. If your gonna spend the money and i recommend building your own desktop. why? cuz you'll run into less compatibility issues, and output much better performance. But if you have to get a laptop, i would recommend getting an Asus G series as well, and just a tip, never buy from bestbuy regarding gaming laptops.

Edit: Oh, and be sure to get a good notebook cooler. i recommend something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834991042