Marauder feels like it misses all the time...

I am rank 21 mrd with a storm axe and 4 accuracy rings, decent gear for the rank and all melee stat allocation. I miss a LOT. Seems like 60% hit rate... takes 3 tries to get a battle regimen to land because I keep missing. I counted 7 misses in a row... not evades, just misses. We were fighting Migrating Does, the Pugilist was owning the mobs and I might as well have brought a wiffle ball bat.

Does it get better at higher ranks? I was asking my LS and a couple people said they stopped leveling MRD because they missed so much. I'm sure if it's true, it will get balanced later.... but this was bad.

Ya, MRD miss alot. If you want to miss less often at your rank, get a HQ weapon for improved acc and try some food. Here a good blog from lodestone:

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=6441256

You didn't get the memo?

Oh dear.

It does get better, at rank 50 with good gear and 120 dex. I still miss but not nearly as much as my mid 20's where you can almost bet money on a miss. During NM's I use Still Precision and Hawk Eye to ensure BR weapon skills land. A THM to shoot you an absorb-acc also helps loads (Props to JoJo). Last NM hunt I went on I put Absorb ACC on my bar. With like 15 PIE I actually landed on Ureas 1 out of 4-5 times. A minor tweak could help but it shouldnt warrant abandoning the class if you really want to weild a big axe.

I am leveling a marauder to get trunksplitter two, before I played I thought you all just liked to complain, I had no idea. This is the most ridiculous thing in the would missing to much. most of their attacks are AOE, and yet with the current model of combat that help you none unless you want gimped sp/exp. The only place I could even think of maybe when most of the marauder skills would be useful would be a dungeon and a bunch of mobs come at the group and the marauder has to kill them all. This is by far one of my least favorite classes in 14. I am truly sorry about thinking you all complained about missing. I used to know what it was like to miss on everything playing a archer back before the November patch, if you guys missed even more back then and are still playing this class you are a inspiration to us all. Good luck guys you are going to need it.

I don't think it's too bad o.O

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Originally Posted by CptGrimlock

I don't think it's too bad o.O

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Ditto! I love MRD! And heck, they're pirate...they have auto-eypatch where you become blind of one eye and also loses half of accuracy lol!

But now seriously...its not that bad. As you get higher it gets much better. Right now i feel like my accuracy at MRD is better than my accuracy as LNC and GLA (they both are midrank).

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Originally Posted by Lienn

But now seriously...its not that bad. As you get higher it gets much better. Right now i feel like my accuracy at MRD is better than my accuracy as LNC and GLA (they both are midrank).

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Same here,I'm lvlin Lnc atm and feel I miss more...MRD,LNC,PUG all have there strengths and weaknesses to me,but MRD FTW!!!

On average, Axes have the lowest to second lowest base accuracy when compared to appropriately ranked weapons from the other disciplines. the top competitor for the bottom is lancer. how ever they get a few more tricks in there bag to overcome the difficulty.

also /wave capin grimlock

When i first started MRD i noticed that i missed often but as i ranked up i equipped 2 accuracy rings which changed everything for me! i was destroying EVERYTHING! but now that i have been destroying NMs i noticed i started missing again. SoOo i now have a macro set for hawk eye and raging strike for BRs and i eat a tuna cabob before every nm battle. As a result, i am back in full swing (no pun intended) and accurately hitting those fools!! so i suppose the moral of the story is with the right combination of stat rings and food, you can fix MOST of the problems with your character.

Oh, having full comradely helps too 0.0

I would suggest Dexterity rings. Not only does Dex affect accuracy but it also helps with parry rate!

Arcell, have you tried equipping dex rings? When I tried it, it felt like my parry/evasion rate increased, but I didn't feel like it helped my accuracy as much as accuracy rings.

But I didn't parse the numbers, so I could have just been imagining it. I'd appreciate anyone else's input.

(I just posted this in another Mrd thread but it applies to this one as well so I figured I would copy/paste)

A few things about Mrd

1. Str does not increase your acc. Ive done a through test on it by putting my stats at 174/min str/dex and slowly changing it to min/174 str/dex. My acc. was all but nonexistent with no dex and slowly got better the more dex I put in. I did notice harshly diminished returns after passing the 100+ dex mark so I just leave it hovering around there.

2. +Acc rings are your friend. For the same reason as point #1 adding more dex past 100 gives you minimal returns while the silver rings boost the stat directly.

3. To avoid the frustration of boosting up your 3000TP maim only to whiff I present a simple solution. Put Hawk Eye into your boost regimen.
Ferocity--> Raging Strike--> Bloodbath II (if I'm tanking and need HP)--> Hawk eye--> Maim
This is a devastating combo that not only greatly boosts your enimty but will hit extremely hard and rarely miss.
And if you aren't tanking it might be best to keep raging strike/ferocity/bloodbath off the list because that many boost in a row will almost always piss the mob off. Keep your tank happy.
Also keep in mind that this regimen can be used with storms path as well, hawk eye will boost it's accuracy toward all mobs within it's range, letting you nail nearly all of them for massive total damage. Watch the yellow numbers rain, BIG yellow numbers.

4. If you are still paranoid about missing and don't want to waste Hawk Eye on something less significant like skull sunder consider sticking skill precision (glad) onto your skillbar. I haven't been able to throughly test It's effect on my acc. but hey, its something extra if you have room for it. I'll let Warby comment on that skill with his Glad experience, I just don't know enough about it.

5. Acc. food is your friend. Bring it with you wherever you go and try to keep your elemental affinity attuned for it to give max results. Again, it's another item that boosts the acc. stat directly which can help push you over the edge in terms of acc. instead of trying to max dex and suffering the diminishing returns.

6. Another skill that can server to improve your effectiveness in battle (this goes for most classes actually) is one that is often overlooked and underused. Thm's Initiation skill can be extremely useful if you have an extra one that isn't too busy spamming heals and debuffs. All too often I see people trying to be Mrd/Drk and using absorb skills in battle. Either they sacrifice points into piety, or they don't and fail miserably at every absorb attempt. The simple solution is to let the Thm absorb for you, then transfer the boosted stats to you. Try asking a Thm to hit you with Def/Acc (tanking) or Att/Acc buffs the next chance you get. You wont be disappointed I assure you.

7. With all these skills I've found my accuracy issues to be a thing of the past, Think about it.
With 100dex, +acc rings, +acc food, Hawk Eye, Disorient II, steadfast, Skill precision and the
4-7/8 person Party boost; you shouldn't be missing much either.

8. Another path you can consider would be leveling Thm and Con to at least rank 20. You will gain the use of cureII/sac II which can supplement Second Wind and bloodbath if you are in a pinch and need some hp. Just don't put stats into mind to try and boost your healing ability, it's a total waste. Mrd has piss poor magic skills to begin with so you would basically be multiplying 0 by some other number. But they still both generally heal for 250 each with regen as a bonus for Sacrifice.
Additionally, while leveling the magic classes you can farm their leves for guild marks and buy yourself the stat modification traits Complete Control I and II, Driven by Faith I and II and Will to Power I and II which add a combined 15 points into dex/vit/str each and respectively.

9. Marauder owns hardcore and should be worshiped by Eorzea as a whole. (Actually I've just run out of things to say at the moment but feel free to add any other ideas you've come up with, I'll add to this later if I think of any other tricks/tips I've come up with)

not only do you tend to miss more but the weapon to dmg ration is even more lop-sided than ff11s. 2 hand weapons especially Gaxes need to have much more attk to offset the lack of acc or some middle ground i know it prob does improve some at higher lvls yet pug and other classes still have an advantage in tp gain also. I really love the AOE focused abilites for leves etc. but they tend to miss too often also ........_ _;

Marauders' accuracy issues are largely a myth and stigma, brought from the days where people thought the same thing about Drk. It's not that drks missed more. It's that you had more of a reason to remember the situations where they missed. Blood bath missing is your reason why you remember missing more on marauder. There was also a comment about marauders having less accuracy on that awful official website. That site still states that pugs have two kinds of stances, and that they steal. It's a derelict site that isn't to be trusted any more.

It's memory bias, essentially. A figment of the subjective brain. On a parser, all the jobs are within 3% accuracy of each other.

And by the numbers, it's much easier to make up for an axe's accuracy stat than it is is to make up for critical rate or attack with gear.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Marauders' accuracy issues are largely a myth and stigma, brought from the days where people thought the same thing about Drk. It's not that drks missed more. It's that you had more of a reason to remember the situations where they missed. Blood bath missing is your reason why you remember missing more on marauder. There was also a comment about marauders having less accuracy on that awful official website. That site still states that pugs have two kinds of stances, and that they steal. It's a derelict site that isn't to be trusted any more.

It's memory bias, essentially. A figment of the subjective brain. On a parser, all the jobs are within 3% accuracy of each other.

And by the numbers, it's much easier to make up for an axe's accuracy stat than it is is to make up for critical rate or attack with gear.

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Source and Parser data please, I'm eager to see you back up the 3% of each other statement

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Originally Posted by Filtiarne

Source and Parser data please, I'm eager to see you back up the 3% of each other statement

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Sure, I'll make some R50 NM sets. The non nm data will have to wait until I either have archer up where marauder is, or get lancer levelled.

I love to play Marauder ! ^___^

After reading this topic I decided im going to switch out my strength rings for accuracy instead, I think they will benefit me better than what my current ones are.

Thanks for all tips ! :3~

I eat Stuffed Cabbage to help with Acc, it's about 72-84k a stack on Palamecia. I'm curious to know what foods others use?

Food is pretty much a waste of time for a DD until the overhaul. Yoshida said it himself. Unlike in FFXI where it works the best in situations where you need it the most, XIV food works best in situations where accuracy and output don't matter.

Food caps out its effectiveness at about the relevancy of a R50 fighitng Prince of Pestilence: IE who cares. It does almost nothing for you against R60-80 mobs becasue the only thing that really matters in that situation is dLvl.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Food is pretty much a waste of time for a DD until the overhaul. Yoshida said it himself. Unlike in FFXI where it works the best in situations where you need it the most, XIV food works best in situations where accuracy and output don't matter.

Food caps out its effectiveness at about the relevancy of a R50 fighitng Prince of Pestilence: IE who cares. It does almost nothing for you against R60-80 mobs becasue the only thing that really matters in that situation is dLvl.

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DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS PERSON

Food affects the accuracy trait directly and WILL help you. However for my Mrd I use HP/def food to help with my tanking. The "tasty" effect on HP food gives me another 175hp which by itself is helpful. The important thing is to adjust your elemental affinity to match the food you are using for best results. See the guide below to get an idea of the elemental stats you will need. (not complete but still helpful)

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=6441256

There's simply nothing you can eat that will affect your accuracy or your damage.

Food in this game is an ultimate gullability test right now. If confers zero benefit to meleeing, crafting, and gathering but like moon phase and crafting direction, you'll always get people who swear by colon cleansing and magnetic bracelets to swear by SOMETHING.

Food balance will surely come after the battle overhaul. Yoshida's already confirmed food is a broken mess, but he's right in that there's no point in fixing it until the system it's meant to impinge on is fixed first. You're wasting your money if you buy food for your meleer right now. In small fights, it doesn't matter, and in big fights it doesn't even numerically provide ANY performance outcome differences.

The guy up there says it gives him 175 HP. If he's ever under 175 HP, which is the only time that food would ever help him...his team's already got bigger problems than not having food, and food isn't going to make up for what problems they have.

The only way to improve your accuracy in any meaningful way is to equip feint. Just like everyone else.
Marauder's accuracy isn't even a real issue. Like food's effects, marauder's miss rate is largely placebo effect too. People believe it's less accurate, and that belief clouds their reality.

honestly, please stop posting you are making my bloodpressure go to dangerous levels with your trolling. its just not called for

I seem to be more accurate if I use disorientate on the mob first. I don't know if anyone else has noticed this or not.

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I seem to be more accurate if I use disorientate on the mob first. I don't know if anyone else has noticed this or not.

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yes that is true, disorient is meant to lower the mobs evasion for everyone trying to hit it. Please ignore peregrine when she falsely tries to say disorient is useless. its not. keep it on your action bar.

I think everything in the game under the current formula has very placebo effects at the moment. Things in their current state are very broken including the "to-hit formula's"

Placebo effect rules the game right now. I think Square actually counted on it and thought so many of these impotent actions would fly simply based on the player base's inordinate gullibility and belief in the heart of the cards and subjective anecdotes.

If you think str and dex over 120 help you, you're gullible.
If you think food is making you hit harder or more accurately, you're gullible.
If you think magic craftsmanship affects HQ rate and craftsmanship affects success rate, you're gullible.
If you think moon phase affects HQ results, you're gullible.
If you think primary stats directly feed into HQ rates as their own variable in the equation, you're gullible.
If you think your HQ rates on a polished iron file +2 are better than that of a +1, you're gullible.
If you think you have a better chance of getting a runestone if you do or don't link, you're gullible.

That just called almost everyone out in some way or another. Believing in nothing is a huge error, and too common. We all do it because we all believe in our own abilities and assessments. Too much.

Certain players go through their entire existance beliving in false positives over and over though. We call those people gullible, and developers take advantage of their gullibility by making the systems as weak as they can get away with so they don't have to spend a lot of time balancing it.

Almost nothing you do in this game matters yet. You can just count on players believing they do. They're fixated on the numbers, while being totally ignorant about those numbers' actual outcomes.

Marauder doesn't even really have accuracy issues. You can subjectively argue they do all they want, but I generate and look at the actual accuracy rates of the teams I'm in. It's not true.

Disorient works, but only if you don't use feint and it benefits all attackers. Every mob should be dia'd and disoriented.