In-Game Voice chat

I know Yoshi-P said they did not want to add this because of different languages, but I feel like if we don't have this feature it is gonna just divide the community, people not wanting to play with ps3 players cause they can not chat with them, but only with text.

Final Fantasy XI had a few problems like this but it was not a big problem cause of the slower paced combat. I personally think adding this will do more good than harm, just give us the option to mute the entire party or certain players.

Anyway thanks for reading post your your thoughts.

I have no idea how technically difficult implementing any in-game voice chat would be, but I would personally love to have in-game Party Chat and Linkshell Chat, without having to go to third party programs.

People usually get their own Vent or Mumble server. Often if there is a in game one people will still opt for getting their own vent server.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

People usually get their own Vent or Mumble server. Often if there is a in game one people will still opt for getting their own vent server.

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Guess you didn't read... this mostly about ps3 players who cannot use that......

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Originally Posted by Zumi

People usually get their own Vent or Mumble server. Often if there is a in game one people will still opt for getting their own vent server.

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Maybe, and that's their choice, and it will always be available to those who do want it. But my two main home linkshells, none of us used Mumble or Vent and would have absolutely used an in-game voice chat.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Guess you didn't read... this mostly about ps3 players who cannot use that......

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Laptop, put it on arm of your chair, or on your sofa, open vent/mumble, disable push to talk, and speak.

Wireless headset for your PC, put on, talk. PS3 players can use them just because it's not in the same box doesn't mean you can't use both.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Guess you didn't read... this mostly about ps3 players who cannot use that......

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I'm pretty sure he did read, actually. In fact he did exactly what you asked, which was to post his thoughts on the matter. Did you just want people to agree with your post and not hear a word of an actual debate? I'm ready to disagree as well just out of spite. Come on, dude.

Anyway, I don't see why they couldn't get a feature like this going as long as they can get it done in a way that doesn't mess with connection speeds and stability and whatnot. It shouldn't be that hard for them to do, although I agree that it isn't particularly necessary right now, although if it is, there's no reason that a PS3 player can't use a Vent or Mumble app on their phone or something like a PC user would use a third party program. I'm willing to bet someone would make an add-on for just that, though it would also only be available to the PC crowd as well.

That plus have you hear in-game chat in games that support it?

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Originally Posted by Firon

Guess you didn't read... this mostly about ps3 players who cannot use that......

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I am not necessarily against implementing an in-game voice chat system, but it's not absolutely essential for PS3 players to participate in voice chat. In FFXI I knew several PS2 players who used Team Speak on their laptop while playing the game on their console. In addition Ventrillo, Mumble & Team Speak all have mobile applications available for iOS and android.

So there are options, albeit not as convenient as an in-game feature, but options nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Laptop, put it on arm of your chair, or on your sofa, open vent/mumble, disable push to talk, and speak.

Wireless headset for your PC, put on, talk. PS3 players can use them just because it's not in the same box doesn't mean you can't use both.

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I don't think the point he's trying to make is "I can afford to have 20 different devices in my house to seperately run VOIP programs from my main gaming system and so should everyone else", because I remember playing XI I used to not have a router (back in the day!) and I played on the PS2, so I was only able to have one of the connections (PS2 or my PC) running at one time, meaning I was unable to take advantage of things such as VOIP or online resources in general.

I know people who would play XIV on the PC and then use their spare laptop for the VOIP (usually due to something such as the VOIP program crashing their game client on the same machine), and that's totally cool, but it would be nice to give console gamers the option to engage in VOIP through the game if it were possible for SE to manage (it might cost them more money than it's worth) especially considering that many people who play games on the PS3 such as Call of Duty, which have been known to always have a voice chat feature built into their games, likely already have a headset that they bought specifically for their PS3 (I personally have a bluetooth one for my PS3) and it would be a great additional and optional feature for those players to enjoy.

I also don't want to have the future PS3 playing community of FFXIV to feel alienated because they're unable to setup their play environment to accomodate an extra PC/Laptop purely there for the purpose of using a VOIP program.

The PS3 crowd better brace for a certain degree of alienation however, since all add-ons will only work on the PC version as far as the devs have let us know.

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

The PS3 crowd better brace for a certain degree of alienation however, since all add-ons will only work on the PC version as far as the devs have let us know.

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And will be implemented on the PS3 version if it's popular.

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

I'm pretty sure he did read, actually. In fact he did exactly what you asked, which was to post his thoughts on the matter. Did you just want people to agree with your post and not hear a word of an actual debate? I'm ready to disagree as well just out of spite. Come on, dude.

Anyway, I don't see why they couldn't get a feature like this going as long as they can get it done in a way that doesn't mess with connection speeds and stability and whatnot. It shouldn't be that hard for them to do, although I agree that it isn't particularly necessary right now, although if it is, there's no reason that a PS3 player can't use a Vent or Mumble app on their phone or something like a PC user would use a third party program. I'm willing to bet someone would make an add-on for just that, though it would also only be available to the PC crowd as well.

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No that person did not read it if he/she did, he/she would have not said most pc players use some type of out of game voice chat. This whole post was about making equal footing for ps3/pc.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Laptop, put it on arm of your chair, or on your sofa, open vent/mumble, disable push to talk, and speak.

Wireless headset for your PC, put on, talk. PS3 players can use them just because it's not in the same box doesn't mean you can't use both.

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Believe it or not, not everyone has a pc/laptop just sitting next to their ps3 ready to connect a headset to it.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

And will be implemented on the PS3 version if it's popular.

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By that logic, if someone were to say, create an addon for the PC version that allowed remote connection to a VOIP server, as the normal VOIP program would do itself, then if that became popular and was carried over to the PS3 client, VOIP on the PS3 is as simple as... well, that.

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Originally Posted by Siegtaru

I don't think the point he's trying to make is "I can afford to have 20 different devices in my house to seperately run VOIP programs from my main gaming system and so should everyone else", because I remember playing XI I used to not have a router (back in the day!) and I played on the PS2, so I was only able to have one of the connections (PS2 or my PC) running at one time, meaning I was unable to take advantage of things such as VOIP or online resources in general.

I know people who would play XIV on the PC and then use their spare laptop for the VOIP (usually due to something such as the VOIP program crashing their game client on the same machine), and that's totally cool, but it would be nice to give console gamers the option to engage in VOIP through the game if it were possible for SE to manage (it might cost them more money than it's worth) especially considering that many people who play games on the PS3 such as Call of Duty, which have been known to always have a voice chat feature built into their games, likely already have a headset that they bought specifically for their PS3 (I personally have a bluetooth one for my PS3) and it would be a great additional and optional feature for those players to enjoy.

I also don't want to have the future PS3 playing community of FFXIV to feel alienated because they're unable to setup their play environment to accomodate an extra PC/Laptop purely there for the purpose of using a VOIP program.

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Exactly Sieg :)

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Originally Posted by Firon

Believe it or not, not everyone has a pc/laptop just sitting next to their ps3 ready to connect a headset to it.

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Poor people shouldn't be playing video games!

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Originally Posted by Firon

Believe it or not, not everyone has a pc/laptop just sitting next to their ps3 ready to connect a headset to it.

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Smart phone?

Even if they were to implement a voice chat into the game, very few would use it because everyone who needs it use their own servers where they have better control/quality of who they can hear.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Believe it or not, not everyone has a pc/laptop just sitting next to their ps3 ready to connect a headset to it.

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Seriously. Or they would probably be playing on it.

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Originally Posted by JillyBean

Seriously. Or they would probably be playing on it.

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...Or some people prefer playing on consoles? They create them for a reason xD.

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Originally Posted by Firon

No that person did not read it if he/she did, he/she would have not said most pc players use some type of out of game voice chat. This whole post was about making equal footing for ps3/pc.



Believe it or not, not everyone has a pc/laptop just sitting next to their ps3 ready to connect a headset to it.

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Don't need the PC or laptop right next to the PS3, most ps3 players have a bluetooth headset, get a cheap bluetooth adapter to connect the headset to and your done (depending on the range) or what about smartphones, there are smartphone clients for Mumble, Vent and teamspeak, which just about covers them.

This will cover 99.9% of people that will be playing FFXIV including the PS3 players.

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Originally Posted by Rau

Smart phone?

Even if they were to implement a voice chat into the game, very few would use it because everyone who needs it use their own servers where they have better control/quality of who they can hear.

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There are still problems with that as well. SE should have voice chat built in for 2 reasons.

1. it is a standard for ps3 multiplay games.

2. you can't except every ps3 player to have a phone thats gonna sit on mumble for hours people have things called data plans.

Yeah this has always been the concern at the back of my head, and people that I know that are interested in this game and own a console are not as 'tech' heavy as you think they should (Instead of a laptop with a nice wireless headphone. Let's throw in a craptop that's constantly shared by the family/wife/roomate etc. hence sometimes your VOIP get's interrupted because your little brother/husband/roomate is playing something else on craptop).

I mean most console games have in-game voicechat. It kinda would be a necessity to have it in an online game. Even Ps3's second life playstation home (pretty pointless social hub imo) has voicechat. And there has already been foreign language dealings with voicechat features in other games, it's simply helped by just bearing with it or just hitting the mute button.

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Originally Posted by Firon

This thread shows why a lot of console players hate pc players.

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Shouldn't have said that... that's just ganna add chaos into this already bipolar forum.

This thread shows why a lot of console players hate pc players.

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Originally Posted by Firon

There are still problems with that as well. SE should have voice chat built in for 2 reasons.

1. it is a standard for ps3 multiplay games.

2. you can't except every ps3 player to have a phone thats gonna sit on mumble for hours people have things called data plans.

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The one flaw in this argument is that unlike the 360, the PS3 doesn't come with a headset right out of the box. Personally speaking, I would think that anyone that cares enough to grab a headset for their PS3 would be savvy and/or willing enough to use a smartphone/laptop/desktop/tablet to deal with voice chatting with their MMO guild. Also anecdotal evidence that I've heard(from a few years ago admittedly) has pointed out that the voice chatting on the PS3 isn't that great and people don't really use it as much.

And seriously dude, quit whining about people disagreeing with you. It isn't making your position any more attractive.

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

Personally speaking, I would think that anyone that cares enough to grab a headset for their PS3 would be savvy and/or willing enough to use a smartphone/laptop/desktop/tablet to deal with voice chatting with their MMO guild.

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Also aside from DC universe, this is probably the only other MMO that comes out on a console. Chances are not many people will be familiar with how guilds runs in the game. Of course hardcore players have vents with their clans from FPS shooters and whatnot(or more likely just flat out switched to PC) but were dealing with a wider casual audience here.

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Originally Posted by Firon

This thread shows why a lot of console players hate pc players.

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The only console MMO that I played in which you could use in-game voice-chat was Phantasy Star Universe on Xbox360 and it was really chaotic. We usually only played through the "Party Chat" which is a great feature but, unfortunately, it's not n PS3, you couldn't talk to PC players anyway and you needed to have all people in your "Friendlist" to invite them in the Party Chat.

Another reason for not including it in the game is that there is few MMORPGs with that feature. I guess that it must be hard to control the in-out of partys of 1000 players at the same time.

So, for all those reasons, I doubt your wish will become true. Mumble, Vent, TeamSpeak, Skype and a few others are the third-party voice chat software you are looking for. Also, if you plan on getting FFXIV on PS3, I suggest buying a USB keyboard if you don't already have one. It is necessary (even if voice-chat would be incorporated in the game)

Aside from the additional development costs and language barrier, there were more concerns with in game voice chat. Harassment (female gamers in particular), but also what about people who don't want to use it? Officially supporting it would give rise to more severe alienation for people who just don't want to use VOIP than not supporting it would for PS3 players. If they supported it, people could argue that it's a "must" for raids and what not because voice chat is "official". By not supporting it, SE is effectively saying "You don't need voice chat to do everything in this game well. Don't listen to anyone who says otherwise".

EDIT: Here is the Yoshi response. Its a lot more complicated than the language bit:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post544090

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Originally Posted by Nayto

Also aside from DC universe, this is probably the only other MMO that comes out on a console. Chances are not many people will be familiar with how guilds runs in the game. Of course hardcore players have vents with their clans from FPS shooters and whatnot(or more likely just flat out switched to PC) but were dealing with a wider casual audience here.

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I'll agree that FFXIV 2.0 may be geared towards a more "casual" audience(personally I've always read the devs' comments as alluding to a more playable FFXIV rather than more casual), but even so, how many casual gamers actually own dedicated game consoles nowadays and play anything other than your typical sports or racing games? How many of those even play MMOs? I don't have all the numbers, but I'd wager it isn't as high relatively speaking. Two of my friends who are waiting for the PS3 version to maybe try it out played FFXI on consoles using a seperate Vent server as well, so there's evidence of that.

That being said, I don't think anyone here is saying "no no no fuck PS3 voice chat never in a million years!!" as much as we're saying "well if they never added it or added it much later, it wouldn't be the end of the world as there are enough solutions out there".

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

I'll agree that FFXIV 2.0 may be geared towards a more "casual" audience(personally I've always read the devs' comments as alluding to a more playable FFXIV rather than more casual), but even so, how many casual gamers actually own dedicated game consoles nowadays and play anything other than your typical sports or racing games? How many of those even play MMOs? I don't have all the numbers, but I'd wager it isn't as high relatively speaking. Two of my friends who are waiting for the PS3 version to maybe try it out played FFXI on consoles using a seperate Vent server as well, so there's evidence of that.

That being said, I don't think anyone here is saying "no no no fuck PS3 voice chat never in a million years!!" as much as we're saying "well if they never added it or added it much later, it wouldn't be the end of the world as there are enough solutions out there".

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I see. I'm just trying to add some support to those who have probably never played an MMO before. I've had friends asked me if there was in-game voicechat, and told them that there most likely isn't any, you'd have to use vent. Some of them raised an eyebrow at what vent was. It's mainly due to that we've grown up on just chatting through whatever in-game voice chat was supported because it was more convenient that way.

We're probably in the minority, but just want to show that some people do look for that convenience.

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Originally Posted by Firon

There are still problems with that as well. SE should have voice chat built in for 2 reasons.

1. it is a standard for ps3 multiplay games.

2. you can't except every ps3 player to have a phone thats gonna sit on mumble for hours people have things called data plans.

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1. Dark Souls and Demon Souls don't have voice chat, and they have amazing (and unique) multiplayer. It can't really be called a standard when you have to buy an extra peripheral to use it.
2. Wifi.

Otherwise, guess who's not using voice chat?


Seriously, my point still stands. Even if it were implemented, barely anyone would use it simply because there is already a better alternative in place. They don't even NEED voice chat. I know several of people who participate in endgame events without mics.

I believe it has something to do with Japanese players custom where they like to remain unannoymous, there was one drama back then in my JP LS, we usually use teamspeak to communicate and there was at least 4 females that speaks regularly.

One day, a new NA guy that joined the LS decided to stream his FFXIV without asking, so everything was leaked out, the players name, ingame chat, LS chat, their voices, and they gets so outraged.

On my point of view, it seems to be overreaction but i respect their choices. So this might be one of the consideration why you don't see JP multiplayer game supporting voice chat ingame.

I don't think it is a bad idea. If you don't want to use it....don't. JP players can remain anonymous. I rather play with people I can talk to so I can get the information faster and most people use Vent / Mumble etc because the option is not there to begin with.

Step 1: In-game web browser (probably Firefox-based), even if it would officially be limited to accessing The Lodestone (without formatting/etc errors).
Step 2: Make a version of The Lodestone that's compatible with PS3 specifications/controls.
Step 3: Square-Enix hosted voice client which is accessible through The Lodestone's linkshell features.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit.

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Originally Posted by Akk

Step 1: In-game web browser (probably Firefox-based), even if it would officially be limited to accessing The Lodestone (without formatting/etc errors).
Step 2: Make a version of The Lodestone that's compatible with PS3 specifications/controls.
Step 3: Square-Enix hosted voice client which is accessible through The Lodestone's linkshell features.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit.

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Originally Posted by Akk

Step 1: In-game web browser (probably Firefox-based), even if it would officially be limited to accessing The Lodestone (without formatting/etc errors).
Step 2: Make a version of The Lodestone that's compatible with PS3 specifications/controls.
Step 3: Square-Enix hosted voice client which is accessible through The Lodestone's linkshell features.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit.

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Edit: misread. But yeah it isn't about being technically possible, it's about not officially condoning it for other reasons.

Few options/ideas

1.) A laptop/nearby computer can function for any voice chat medium, and we know this will be a guaranteed option now and later.
2.) If they implement a voice chat into 2.0 given the option to use it or not in various party/raid scenarios.
3.) If there is a way to run/create/implement certain voice apps in the background on a PS3 (Mumble for PS3 perhaps).

#2 and #3 both would offer the convenience of having everything all in one place and the ability to use the PS3 headset hardware, though at the moment only #1 is a guarantee.

hmm well i kind of prefer to have voice chat because of PS3.. :P

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

The one flaw in this argument is that unlike the 360, the PS3 doesn't come with a headset right out of the box. Personally speaking, I would think that anyone that cares enough to grab a headset for their PS3 would be savvy and/or willing enough to use a smartphone/laptop/desktop/tablet to deal with voice chatting with their MMO guild. Also anecdotal evidence that I've heard(from a few years ago admittedly) has pointed out that the voice chatting on the PS3 isn't that great and people don't really use it as much.

And seriously dude, quit whining about people disagreeing with you. It isn't making your position any more attractive.

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I will hereby whine about the whining about the whining. The prior-mentioned whining seems more significant and base-less than the latter.

Honestly, I can see why SE wouldn't have surrounding speech, (voices automatically used surrounding the character) but I don't see why (if their response was actually referring to this) there wouldn't at least be party or linkshell (or linkshell subgroup [social party]) speech. Players are already categorized by their copy versions, be it JP or NA or EU, etc. I don't see why the same concept can't be applied to listening filters. If anything, that's a pretty small part of the customization one would want in a MMORPG, and if all those items of customization could be made, I'd honestly like to see a PC copy too... preferably one integratable with third-party streams...

I wouldn't mind if they implement voice chat as long as I'm not forced to use it. I have more bad experiences with voice chat than good ones.

well i dont think it will work out well on the ps3. its funny how theres a lack of ffxi being talked about now thats going off topic. i doubt SE will create or rent a voice client server so players from other consoles or pc's can chat. I dont know if any game has done that. vent or any other voice cilent will work just as fine. of course i cannot talk for everyone else but my nyc apartment has wifi if i was playing on ps3 i will be greatful if ventrillo brings out a moble app who wouldent ?. sence i have laptops and a pc, im not going that route anyway.

i cant use games like dc universe because its a free to play mmo that charges you for voice chat. thats stupid on the higest level