In the live letter yoshi-p said that it wouldn't be cost efficient and it would delay new countent since it'll have to be recorded in all the languages that hte game suports.
My question is, why don't only have the NPC speak japanese? would it be THAT bad?
For me it would be great to hear the NPCs/CSs talk in japanese and have the text in whatever language they choose to release the game.
what everyone else thinks?
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12-06-2012, 07:42 AMNayitoNPC VOICE
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12-06-2012, 07:45 AMZantetsuken
Perhaps, or English would work as well... most use English as a 2nd language.
I think Yoshi's comment had more to do with the added process of adding any voice-over. That overhead takes a decent amount of time and money; and isn't essential to telling the story.
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12-06-2012, 07:46 AMRaven_Reborn
For every person that will like the voice over in Japanese ... sadly there will be 100 others who do not. And the circle of /rage topics will continue.
Sometimes it's better just to leave things like that out. -
12-06-2012, 07:57 AMSoukyuu
Adding random crowd chatter in cities as ambient sounds should be enough. Imagine NPC dialogues triggering as you walk by.. it can turn spammy fast. That's why I'm glad NPC chatter is going to be chat bubbles and text only (not even chat log)
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12-06-2012, 08:07 AMNayito
In FFXII as you passed by you had random NPCs talking. though i don't remember if it was text only or there was voices in them (played it LOOOOONG time ago)
anyway i wasn't talking about any and all NPCs, just the NPCs related to quests and missions. and as for the language it self, it's a japanese game, and even after translation you can see a hint of japanese left behind that trace is also left in the auto-translate function. so why don't embrace it completly? at least with the voices -
12-06-2012, 08:14 AMKaplanHomahruBecause Yoshi promised to deliver the full game experience to a variety of languages for one. (That's the stickler, Yoshi is all about doing his best to keep promises)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nayito
But also, even if they only did Japanese voice acting, there would be a very large increase in both time and development costs. And that would be both for the launch of ARR, and basically every big patch/expansion. Every new quest, every quest they have to change in the future...and remember ARR is going to feature a TON of quests. That's why they decided to just have the main scenario voice acted I believe. -
12-06-2012, 08:56 AMcaskerauction house in lion's arch in GW2, every time you go in:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soukyuu
guy: twenty? but yesterday they were ten!
lady: today, twenty.
next day
guy: twenty? but yesterday they were ten!
lady: today, twenty.
next day
guy: twenty? but yesterday they were ten!
lady: today, twenty.
next day
guy: twenty? but yesterday they were ten!
lady: today, twenty. -
12-06-2012, 09:02 AMNix
One thing I wouldn't mind seeing from NPCs is a little vocalization when you talk to them. Easiest way to explain this I can think of is in monster hunter tri for example, when you go talk to the chief and he's all like "Hmmm" when you initiate dialogue, or Jr. who is a little more upbeat and like "'Hoy!". That kind of thing I wouldn't mind! But voice overs.. I think I can live without D:
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12-06-2012, 09:08 AMcasker
I think at a minimum level there should be voice acting for neutral greetings, (greetings, hello traveler, farewell, twelve bless you, etc)
stuff like job quests and main storyline I think ought to have voice as well. They don't have a bunch of dialogue tree bullcrap so it shouldn't be too bad. Priority should be English and then have subtitled translations for different regions.
Stuff like the monk questline gave me chills with just the text. Get a good voiceactor on that and you've got a winner. -
12-06-2012, 09:16 AMSoukyuuActually, GW2 is the reason why I ended up hating voiced NPCs. Especially the NPCs triggering not only when you pass by, but also the other players... now imagine a large-scale event, a lot of players gathering, every single one running past an NPC triggering it's speech... and you get something along the lines ofQuote:
Originally Posted by casker
"CITIZENS! CI-CIT-CI-CI-CI-CIT-CI-CITIZE-CI-C-CI-CI-CI-CI-C-C-CITI-CI-CI-C-CI-CI-CITIZENS-CI-CI-CI-CI-CI"... -
12-06-2012, 09:19 AMurban
sorry i hate npc voice it sound weak...a tiny taru have a deeeep voice or all mithra sounds like a kids >.>
i perfer texts thats good enough >.>
almost like mike tyson sound like a little kid........weird.
just keep it MMO simple FF. no voice please.
when i shout or /tell you dont hear my voice...so......yeah -
12-06-2012, 09:26 AMHestern_NesternLady: HEY YOU! HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT CRAFTING?Quote:
Originally Posted by casker
next day
Lady: HEY YOU! HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT CRAFTING?
next day
Lady: HEY YOU! HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT CRAFTING?
next day
Lady: HEY YOU! HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT CRAFTING?
Me: YES, EVERY SINGLE DAY I WALK BY HERE I HEAR ABOUT CRAFTING, MISS! AND IF I LEARNED CRAFTING, WHICH YOU BETTER THANK GRENTH I HAVEN'T YET, IT WILL BE SO I CAN CRAFT A NOOSE TO CHOKE YOU!
[Can you tell I am disgruntled about this NPC? And what is worse, this NPC chases you around and waves her hands in your face!]
Shall I begin enumerating the many irritations of Skyrim dialogue "immersion"?
I want voice acting for the main scenarios, sure, but otherwise I am fine with a beautiful text bubble and very emotive character models.
@_@ Forgive me. -
12-06-2012, 09:27 AMurban
LOLOL like these othere MMO npc saying... stuff like ...Hello well met or May the gods keep you safe or safe in the shadow..or etc...ahhh how do i turn it off every time i talk or walk near an npc >.>
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12-06-2012, 09:29 AMurban
this is not elder scroll...this is FF series lets not be like something like that ; ;
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12-06-2012, 09:32 AMVilhem
We were already limited to English only for 1.0 as far as voices <.< the subtitles changed depending on language your settings were in.
Ideally it'd be nice to have more voiced things (Thancred *.*) but that would mean slower updates. Voice acting in 4 languages takes a long time (getting actors into the studios on their schedules etc), which means slower updates on stuffs. -
12-06-2012, 09:34 AMurban
i had enough of standing and hearing /shout and /say in FFXI/FFXIV let along npc lol
ok...i need to stop here im going overboard LOL
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12-06-2012, 09:37 AMXatsh
Voice over are nice, but very very few games have them done well. you get alot of repeated phrases and half the npcs in the world sound the same. (would not be cost effective to do it other wise)
I would rather SE spend the money on solid playable content, instead of paying voice actors and taking the time to do it right where the VO is meaningful and not just muted by the players in the end. A solid game full of well designed content > a game full of Voice Acting. SWToR proved this. -
12-06-2012, 09:37 AMRyokyuno thank u because u like simple boring thing, doesn't make it good, i want the game to be more realistic so im happy they doing that first you dont know how they gonna implemented in the game maybe they gonna have it that u can turn it on/off so stop bitching about it when you all dont know how is gonna come outQuote:
Originally Posted by urban
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12-06-2012, 09:58 AMVirtuso
I think GW2 showed that voiced town npc's are more annoying than anything else. And SWTOR voiced storyline, while enjoyable just isn't compatible with a MMO update schedule that players expect. Despite the fact that SWTOR was sold on being an "Endless RPG" and for promoting story, the painful year+long wait for any new addition to it's main storyline shows that it just doesn't work. Especially for a subscription based MMO.
I'd rather that XIV's approach to continuous story updates like they've done with version 1.xx and promise even more of for ARR than take months to a year for a voiced storyline update. -
12-06-2012, 10:25 AMChiefCurraheeI agree. Simple sounds of acknowledgement, agreement, thanks and question are all thats needed from NPCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nix
Which is why I don't support fully voiced NPCs in XIV. I could even do without voices for the CS. It's a huge added cost for what amounts to fluff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Virtuso
SWTOR had quality VA, but to some extent it was just too much and I found myself skipping past all the CS just to get on with the quest. It was a wasted expence.
GW2 has terrible VA. Much of the NPC dialouge isn't skippable (like in dungeons), it brings the overal quality down.
So I hope SE doesn't feel like they need VA to compete. If they feel compelled to have it, I hope its only for the main story, and is well done. But I fear for future content updates. -
12-06-2012, 10:31 AMNixYes!Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee
When I first played SWTOR I was like "Wow, full voice acting, this is so cool!"...but then when they did the alien voices and those I noticed the same phrases cropping up again...and again...and again @_@! The luster soon became lost D:.
I read really fast and I'm hella impatient, so if I have an npc all like "Hmm well, let's sit and chat for 30minutes about haggis before I tell you about this quest..." I get so bored D:, but a silent NPC is kinda lifeless to me! A little "Hey!" "Ahh~" or even "Many thanks!" goes a long way without dragging things out and adding unnecessary dialogue. -
12-06-2012, 10:56 AMNaraku_DiabolosThat's just like the recent Legend of Zelda games, with voice tones. I like that idea, too. It would be better if they did that for ARR as well, just to give some NPCs some character.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nix
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12-06-2012, 11:24 AMRicky
It's a waste of money and time outside of cutscenes
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12-06-2012, 11:53 AMcasker
I wouldn't say voice acting is a total waste of time or resources. A little bit can go a long way. For example even the few lines Yda got and the way she said them made me like her. And if you just record some neutral greetings, I think it engages players a little more to hear some dialogue once in a while rather than the eerie silence save for crafting flash sounds.
Of course, you don't need to go full retard like SWTOR did. And they only did that because they knew they couldn't do anything interesting. (real talk) -
12-06-2012, 11:58 AMZehira
XIV is international, it would require too much of work. All languages have to be on the same patch so we would have more delays tho.
FFX is the first FF to have voice actors and I hated the laughing part.
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12-07-2012, 07:31 AMfaris
With respect, if I play an english localized version of a game, I expect the voiceacting to be english. Subs and Japanese? No thanks.
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12-07-2012, 07:47 AMThebard
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12-07-2012, 08:06 AMZehiraYour link is broken but let what Cid Highwind can say...Quote:
Originally Posted by Thebard
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ra/Zeku/06.png
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12-07-2012, 08:09 AMvaletarkus
I would get annoyed way too fast if all the voices were Japanese.
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12-07-2012, 08:21 AMOrophin
I think if the main storyline stuff is voiced for each supported language, that will suffice. I don't mind reading quest text.
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12-07-2012, 08:39 AMThebard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&h...&v=aX1PwkgwsG0
You tube is broken now so fuck it who cares. -
12-07-2012, 08:44 AMThebardI drank more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zehira
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12-08-2012, 03:04 AMstrallaalaa
i like voice overs in main story lines. when they flip on it's like woot and the hand flops down putting the controller away like i'm watching a movie for a minute and rather not read the epic main story lines. but in the end if it's all voice overs then you can tell how hard it will be to keep up with it as expansions and patches come into the game. fact it will become a tall tale sign of the game losing ground when they lol switch to not voiced.
i don't speak jp so i'ma be selfish in saying lol make it in english. but on a off the head thought. how hard would it be to create a mmo with one language like movies and add a ability for players to literally voice over the game for the public? so say it's in just jp. but other players can download into ffxiv some linkshells/players/reinhart(lol) anyone even devs/ voice over and it will layer it into all the cut scenes. then people can vote on them and have ones that are correct, and lol obviously ones that aren't but can add to repeatability of it. people will probably love to redo or see them with other peoples farces or lore instead. but no idea how hard this would be in doing. doesn't sound like that hard in my head lol. but would be awesome.