Active Time Event and Hamlet Achievements

So Hamlet will become an active time event where people can join on the fly.

so, how will "DoL/DoH only" or "DoW/DoM only" achievements work now?

They probably won't, it's more than likely going to be like Besieged and Campaign from XI, which was far superior in setup and fit the game's lore (XI) much more than Hamlet Defense did.

I wonder how you would even get the right party setups if anyone could walk in and auto-join your party with these Active Time Events...

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Originally Posted by Reika

I wonder how you would even get the right party setups if anyone could walk in and auto-join your party with these Active Time Events...

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probably you wont need party to join the events, as long you participate it by hitting the mob or doing something for the event, that it.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

probably you wont need party to join the events, as long you participate it by hitting the mob or doing something for the event, that it.

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But there is this:

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[0:22:47]
Q: Will there be any changes to 8-man parties in A Realm Reborn? Will there be content for solo players or smaller parties?

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A: We’ll continue to add content like Skirmish that can be played in parties of four, and those that can be enjoyed without worrying about numbers.

We are preparing content known as a “Full Active Time Event.” It borrows the words “active time” from the FINAL FANTASY series. I think this will be appearing very often in our PR activities from here on out.

It will be difficult to explain the system without a video. For example, an NM pops. A notification of this is sent to all players in the zone, who then converge on the NM. Parties are automatically formed, and a battle begins. The NM is defeated, rewards are doled out, and the players go their separate ways.

Things like Hamlet Defense and Caravan Security will be considered Full Active Time Events. With this system, many different things will take place in many different places. That’s how I’d like you to think of it for now.

Players will be able to experience it in the Beta Test.

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Originally Posted by Reika

But there is this:

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Wait and see!!

Devil's in the details but it sounds a lot like what Tera does for Nexus for PUGs. It seems to work fine there.

I believe FATE sounds like the new behests without the old games limits.

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Originally Posted by Rizon

Devil's in the details but it sounds a lot like what Tera does for Nexus for PUGs. It seems to work fine there.

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Tera doesnt make use of crafting and gathering classes in nexus. (lol what crafting and gathering in TERA i kno rite...)

But, I will try to be one of the first to participate in an lol hamlet party created by simply auto-grouping people in the area. Should be easy at R1.

I'm so glad they're changing Hamlet...
I mean, let's face it, that system was complete and utter garbage.

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Originally Posted by Syrokko

I'm so glad they're changing Hamlet...
I mean, let's face it, that system was complete and utter garbage.

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According to the usual end-game crew:

You just sucked at it if you thought it was bad. You should have mastered the content and enjoyed every last second you had to do it.

Glad SE agrees with the actual playerbase they care about.

It sounds like the events they have in Guild Wars 2 from what yoshi said. There is an announcement that an event is nearby you go there, text appears on the side of your screen giving you an objective and sometimes there are who will run up to players or you will just hear them as you pass, screaming about whats happening (bandits are attacking the farm! escort out supplies from point a to b. So and so's apple farm is overrun by spiders, exterminate the spiders and deliver so and so fresh apples -all from GW2 btw).

You go to the appointed spot, after a minute the event starts and is scaled to the amount of participants, everyone fights the same mobs, heals each other, raises each other, etc etc you complete the objective, pass or fail, and you are rewarded based on your level of participation. Its a fairly good system as long as the event doesnt remain exactly the same and on a loop which is a flaw to the gw2 timed events. I mean how many times can a farm be attacked by bandits in a day.

Even though I havent really been able to get into gw2 this still makes the world feel more alive and makes you feel your more of an active participant in that world.

its gonna be weird seeing hamlet like this tho. 1 part is the party setup might be fucked and also the how would drop distribution go?. might end up being your loot your drop always now.

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Originally Posted by debola

its gonna be weird seeing hamlet like this tho. 1 part is the party setup might be fucked and also the how would drop distribution go?. might end up being your loot your drop always now.

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I'm guessing you haven't played XI's Campaign..basically even though everyone is one party physical or not, if you're in a union and as long as you actually put in work you get to lot on a universal loot drop, which gives everyone equal chance at getting loot.

So while it may not be a replica of it, it's already a non-issue on how they can handle it.

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Originally Posted by debola

its gonna be weird seeing hamlet like this tho. 1 part is the party setup might be fucked and also the how would drop distribution go?. might end up being your loot your drop always now.

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If its like what I just described above, everyone has the ability to recieve the same rewards, however the rewards you are eligable for are based on your participation. So you cannot just stand there or hit something every now and then and expect top rewards. So you cannot just stand there hidden behind a bush, run up hit something once and run away or drop a cure now and then and get seals. No pool you lot on, just direct drops.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

According to the usual end-game crew:

You just sucked at it if you thought it was bad. You should have mastered the content and enjoyed every last second you had to do it.

Glad SE agrees with the actual playerbase they care about.

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My previous LS originally had some trouble with Hamlet (as with most players)... But, little by little, we worked it out. It didn't take too long.
I suppose Hamlet was fun in some ways at first, but it was the repetition part that got to everyone.

I know quite a few people that think Hamlet is well-designed content as well. They argue that it's good because it involves classes that span across DoM, DoW, and DoH. I guess this is true... But it became stale very, very fast.

I personally welcome the new system with open arms, even if it the drop rate for Seals has to be low.
The Campaign system in XI was designed far better than Hamlet in v1.0, so the developers should take a page out of that book and build Hamlet to function similarly.

I think they're also gaining a lot from experiencing the systems that other MMOs use, so I'm excited to see how a lot of the existing content will come out in ARR.

Campaigning was fun as hell in xi. If I get the same kind of feel with hamlet in 2.0, I'm going to have a blast. I loved the random invasion / massive collaboration battles in xi. Beseiged was also incredibly fun despite the lag.

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Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon

Campaigning was fun as hell in xi. If I get the same kind of feel with hamlet in 2.0, I'm going to have a blast. I loved the random invasion / massive collaboration battles in xi. Beseiged was also incredibly fun despite the lag.

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I also can't wait for hamlets in 2.0 being able to solo/low man , pug's etc and come and go as you please similar to xi campaign & besieged is great. I'm also excited for caravan security since its getting revamped and gonna be active time but even behest will change to be more puzzle like and revamped also. The last thing I also can't wait for is the crystal tower and laybrainth since they will be alliance. Nice to see that we will have the active time event content and content requiring alliances.

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Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon

Campaigning was fun as hell in xi. If I get the same kind of feel with hamlet in 2.0, I'm going to have a blast. I loved the random invasion / massive collaboration battles in xi. Beseiged was also incredibly fun despite the lag.

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Campaign was insanely fun as was beseiged. They were a great way to get merits when you didnt have time to pt, lvl jobs that were not pt friendly for the most part like bst, pup, smn and such or just a good way to kill time. Unfortunately they were so dependant on the exp portion since you cannot skill in campaign that it was the first casualty to aby exp. I know on my server everything is under beastman control and you see maybe 2-3 ppl participating, if any at all. Mostly those 2 ppl are just a single player dualboxing so they have a healer/raiser since there is no one else to cover that anymore. Hopefully if they do these fates correctly they will be equally as entertaining but wont be so easily killed by a meganerf like aby.

The fate system sounds a lot like the heart and dynamic events from gw2.

As far as the flow of play goes that is a huge step in the correct direction.

Heh, this FATE system (specifically the one with the Iron Giant monster) reminds me of Rift and their zone-wide invasions which resulted in a boss at the end. I enjoyed that type of fun, hop in or out content that usually had enough people around to complete because anyone could participate. Rewards were given out based on how much you put in. Was a nice system.

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Originally Posted by Guevara

So Hamlet will become an active time event where people can join on the fly.

so, how will "DoL/DoH only" or "DoW/DoM only" achievements work now?

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To answer the question:

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Other achievements may undergo changes to their conditions or temporarily become unavailable upon release of A Realm Reborn.

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Hopefully not removed (I got all the ones that were stated to be removed!), probably just the requirements to obtain it are different.