My crazy ideas for this MMO ^^;

I guess I should say that first off I haven't played every MMO on the market so I don't have even the closest thing to an expert opinion on what makes an MMO succeed, but I have opinions on what makes a game fun and years of experience playing all types of games since the 8 bit glory days. This might turn into a long read so I will try to summarize near the end if you don't want to read a books worth of nonsensical ramblings :p

In my opinion Final Fantasy 14 2.0 might in some ways be a success or at least make enough money back to call it one, but as of now from what I've seen stands little to no chance of being as accepted as something like GW2 or WOW in america. In my opinion that's not a bad thing but in the end those are the standards that have been set to be considered not a waste of you or your friends time and money.
Try not to kid yourself, as much better FF is story wise and visually superior and basically just innovative, if it doesn't have as much customers as the big dogs, the gaming community will bash it so bad that it will be embarrassing to defend it even if you really enjoy it.. which is the point. The gaming community and media outlets decide if your game succeeds or fails which is why nintendo's new system is being eclipsed by the newest black ops and halo mega blockbusters. Nintendo continues to be the one that innovates and risks the most out of all the gaming companies but its already being called a failure because certain people have no friends that will try it. They will wait until "their" system copies what nintendo has done but made "better." "Anyways"

I think for this MMO to stand a chance at taking the throne, and not just copy and paste others ideas with chocobos' it needs to take some risks like a company like nintendo. Playing it safe is fine but that's against the principles of what made final fantasy. From the beginning they had nothing to lose as I'm sure you have heard the story a million times by now. I might be a hypocrite since if I had millions invested in a product I would wanna play it semi safe but I like to think if I was in charge of SE right now I would be willing to try some of these ideas :p

To appeal to the casual gamer, or what I like to think of as the old school gamer, you must focus on what made video games succeed in the first place.. Control! Mario wouldn't be mario if the jumping and running wasn't as precise as it was, the whole fighting game genre has capitalized on this idea(love me some street fighter) The obvious complaint about this on FFXIV was How Do We Do X? Which I feel is BS! megaman didn't give you popups on how to slide or wall jump, good game design made you figure it out naturally! But I digress, previous games laid the foundation on how to control a game like that so the rest was figured mainly because of that. So since people who obviously don't have that prior experience determine if your game is considered good you must respect your predecessors and try to make the controls simple, which I know from your letters you are addressing with pop up tutorials and help sections so lets move on:p The thing I like about old school games is the workout your hand eye coordination and muscle memory got, fast reflexes and such. If there was a way to put that in the game, if even optional, i think opens up your game to a wider audience completely forgotten by most MMOs I feel. I actually like the idea of an attack button instead of auto attack, but I see the need for auto attack. I guess I would like it if it was optional.. but my point is more button mashing in some way in my opinion would only add to the experience, maybe for cutscenes ala god of war, but even that to me seems cheap. Maybe for mini games in the gold saucer. Drinking contest button mashing!! Think mortal kombat ;)

The Casual social gamer I feel is kinda missing a big opportunity in this game. We have the ability to roll dice but I need to know if there will be more gambling mini games in the saucer with real rewards and risk. High stakes poker, or at least the tetra card game built in, that game was fun as heck and should have been part of ff11! Convenience matters, I know I could have logged off and started playing against friends but don't you want to keep the world populated and alive? Chocobo races are a given but can I control the chocobo? Do stats matter? Can i use the one I raised and feel a real sense of accomplishment when I see seabiscuits name in the records? But most importantly, can I control it, and not just watch a cutscene? I feel motion controls would shine here.. which leads me too..

Current gen motion control gamers :) Now I may have lost some of you all at this point but hear me out.. Why just watch crafting happen on your screen with a fun mini game of luck, why not shake that controller in a sawing motion, immersing yourself in the act of carpentry :) Make it optional for the haters or those bad at these kind of games. I for one would love to wack my significant other on the head while watching my blacksmith rank up in the background ^^b By the way did SE give up on 3D? I might have missed the answer to this but I thought that was a cool idea, I know alot of people hate 3D but why not have the option for the people that do like it? I thought uncharted 3 looked even better when I was playing in 3D personally.

Touch screen douches.. as much as I hate to admit the innovations coming from the cell phone gaming community, I still don't think they are the future of gaming.. but this isn't about me.. I gotta admit, to be able to claim a monster on my screen by just poking it sounds sweet. Mini game wise you just gotta look at whats being done and take your pick what to incorporate. My personal favorite kind of games on touch screens are puzzle games like cogs and wheres my water. when playing cogs I felt like I was actually having to figure out how to build something, or repair it.. that should be incorporated in some way I think in this game, not everyone likes puzzles so I won;t go as far as to say we need them in dungeons but for the single player experience I think this would make any MMO great, especially while waiting around doing nothing, thats why I feel cell phone games work, it's a way to kill time. I feel if touch screens were incorporated, then puzzle type games could be used in many scenarios but I get the most excited when I think about how it could be used for building mechanical things.. like guns.. or airships.. or even just basic house repairs!

Either way SE decides to go I will be there playing because despite all the flaws people would say it had, I enjoyed the new things they tried to bring to the franchise and felt immersed in the world they made which I believe is the main reason the ending cutscene works so well. Even if the game barely scrapes by, as long as they keep making it as fun and beautiful and silly as previous FFs then I know that not as a company but as game creators, story tellers, they succeeded.

Tl;dr Psych! I typed it, you gonna read it :p
tl;drrtlrdr.. its not just motion controls! lol

tl;dr motion controls

noooooooooooooooo! lol

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Originally Posted by Rau

tl;dr motion controls

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ROFL /10char

MOTION CONTROLS?!?

http://gifs.gifbin.com/112010/128938...ing-kinect.gif

I was thinking more the controllers like the wiimote, and ps3 thingy :(

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Originally Posted by MaleficentMercury

I was thinking more the controllers like the wiimote, and ps3 thingy :(

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Very well then.

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Miyamoto's Bard.. can't stop laughing at drumming guy

any way someone can summarize the wall of text that i not going to read lol./

Aw c'mon! your in the thread anyway :( there's a drinking mini game in there for one..

1. HOLY BATMAN WALL-O-TEXT!!!
2. Never going to happen, your ideas for control is straight out of the action game genre without consideration for MMO gameplay. Most MMO are not twitch-based games, and no, you can't have both twitch and non-twitch game mechanic operating in tandem, there would be no way to balance it without turning one of the two into irrelevancy, and thus a waste of resource.

3. Who gives two **** about what others think? you like a game? play it, there's no need to justify it to other people.

You put out a bunch of things you think would be neat in a game you'd like to play, but frankly you haven't given it all that much thought as to how it would actually integrate and function in a MMO.

motion controls, you mean like this?

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You're definitely looking into the wrong genre if this is what you want out of games...
lol.

Man, talk about a rude awakening :p well now that I've beat my insomnia I can reevaluate with a clear head! ^^; Let me simplify my post because even I don't want to read that.. I know that the controls for an MMO have certain standards now created by successful games in the past, I am not asking to reinvent the wheel, actually all my ideas are suggestions for alternative styles, just like how we can already remap our keyboard, why not give gamers that don't like that style an option? Resources being wasted, well.. that's like your opinion man :p
My main problem which I'm sure they are addressing with updates and expansions, is other game content besides leveling and acquiring fancy gear. I would like more mini games, and that is a great way to incorporate motion controls, and touch screen controls.. trying to not remake a wall of text.. if you want more details, read my wall of text :)

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Originally Posted by MaleficentMercury

I know that the controls for an MMO have certain standards now created by successful games in the past, I am not asking to reinvent the wheel, actually all my ideas are suggestions for alternative styles, just like how we can already remap our keyboard, why not give gamers that don't like that style an option? Resources being wasted, well.. that's like your opinion man :p

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Indeed, you're not asking to reinvent the wheel, you're asking to replace the wheels with cinder blocks.

It's not something so simple as "throwing another option" out there. For starters, it would be something limited to console players only, as there is no equivalent motion tech for PC users. Second, it brings little to the table outside of short-term novelty at best. Sure, it may be cool to "hammer" away while crafting for a bit, now imagine doing that for thousands of items. The overwhelming majority of players wouldn't even bother, as it's a whole lot of work to imitate a single press of the A button. And no, you can't add any additional functionality or tie any game mechanic to it, as it's not a input device that's available to everyone.

This is magnified thousand-fold when you start talking about combat. Twitch based combat via motion controller simply requires a fundamentally different combat system than the timer-based system in use today. Trying to combine the two is like trying to have a strategy game that is a RTS AND turn-based at the same time - not gonna happen.

You're still approaching the issue as if FF14 is a single player game, it's not.

http://www.oculusvr.com/

I thought people figured out how to use motion controllers for the PC already? I hear you but I don't really mean to use it for main gameplay if you don't want to, the only thing i think it would work for in main gameplay is puzzles which is really mainly why i would use touchscreens.. motion controls could be used for the golden saucer, like steering your chocobo in the races. I guess I would say that if the game is going on the wii u then my ideas would be useful for that, and since ps3 and xbox always follow up with whatever nintendo is doing then those controls would be more used in home systems then the pc.. I don't think it would be a bad thing if it was seemlessly integrated in some ways :( Some people won't use it and that's fine but to say no one really plays solo on an mmo is not true(forever alone ; ;) It's not something to replace playing with friends tho, its actually the opposite. I personally would love to kill time in the golden saucer with or without friends with touch screen puzzles or mini games. I get it tho, its not what any mmo is really about right now..

most of the time (not all the time, but most) motion controls are nothing more than a gimmick and don't really add anything to the experience. There are a few games out there that have executed motion controls in a way that feels natural and effective, but I'd rather not gamble on SE being able to pull that off. Keep it Simple.