Chrono Fantasy XIV

So I'm in my way to replay Chrono Trigger, and I started to think that the End of an Era trailer and the future plot development of FFXIV could be somehow similar to CT.

And I would love it, using Atomos to travel not just to the past, but to several eras, to adjust history to advert some bigger catastrophe than the awakening of Bahamut. Maybe a series of quest/expansions leading to his first imprissionment, maybe we could be the ones who initiated the Umbral/Astral eras with out time travelling... so many possibilities... the step foward in time from 1.0 to ARR could be the first of many, maybe the plot could go with Cid or the Garleans to travel in time or something...

Anyway, I'd love if the story would develop in such a way, and that Yoshi and the team has a single plot to tie the game with for a span of several years and expansions.

The thing is, we don't travel to the future.

We're put in stasis in another dimension for the five years.

I don't think anything in XIV can travel forward and backward in time, more that it can take us to another dimension.

iirc the maws worked the same way in XI.

Here's what I think on the whole ARR thing. The first "storyline" is that our whole purpose in 1.0 was for the 12 to guage our strength to see if we can truly kill Bahamut. When they saw how powerful the garleans made Bahamut, they tried to take matters into their own hands and obviously failed, so Louisoix sent us to the future to continue our development.

Now, I have a faiirly hard time believing that 5 years later, there's still people living ccarefree lives, so here is my theory. We travel back in time 4 years into the past through the use of Atomos (Abyssea style) and kill Bahamut there.

Is my theory perfect? Nope, but I still find all this fun to speculate =p

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

Here's what I think on the whole ARR thing. The first "storyline" is that our whole purpose in 1.0 was for the 12 to guage our strength to see if we can truly kill Bahamut. When they saw how powerful the garleans made Bahamut, they tried to take matters into their own hands and obviously failed, so Louisoix sent us to the future to continue our development.

Now, I have a faiirly hard time believing that 5 years later, there's still people living ccarefree lives, so here is my theory. We travel back in time 4 years into the past through the use of Atomos (Abyssea style) and kill Bahamut there.

Is my theory perfect? Nope, but I still find all this fun to speculate =p

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Well when you see clips in alpha calling areas old Gridania pretty sure we got put to the future.

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

Here's what I think on the whole ARR thing. The first "storyline" is that our whole purpose in 1.0 was for the 12 to guage our strength to see if we can truly kill Bahamut. When they saw how powerful the garleans made Bahamut, they tried to take matters into their own hands and obviously failed, so Louisoix sent us to the future to continue our development.

Now, I have a faiirly hard time believing that 5 years later, there's still people living ccarefree lives, so here is my theory. We travel back in time 4 years into the past through the use of Atomos (Abyssea style) and kill Bahamut there.

Is my theory perfect? Nope, but I still find all this fun to speculate =p

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Well correction on this:

Abyssea Travel = Alternate reality where Promathia succeeds and we die.
Wings of the Goddess = the time travel one which we learn there's multiple versions of Vana'diel thanks to Atomos, and he decides which reality is the one we witness.

So Atomos appearing could very well be something similiar.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No more of this time travel crap.

Use it once to get us to 2.0, but after that, never again. Time travel almost always leads to bad bad stories.

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Originally Posted by Raldo

Time travel almost always leads to bad bad stories.

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^ Proper use of sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Athaya

Well when you see clips in alpha calling areas old Gridania pretty sure we got put to the future.

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It's not time travel. We're sent into a sort of cryogenic state where time doesn't pass for us in our little crystal-style incubator. Instead, time outside passes and we sit and wait without seeing what goes on. Then, five years of outside time later, we're brought back into the world and the changed Eorzea is the result of the catastrophe, and people rebuilding over the course of those 5 years.

The main characters are put into stasis, and time passes around them. There is no alternate reality, dimension, or ANY sort of time travel at all.

How about we get a DeLorean mount.

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Originally Posted by Athaya

Well when you see clips in alpha calling areas old Gridania pretty sure we got put to the future.

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Except in this case it's just a naming convention, "New Gridania" is not a actually a new area, just north part of the Gridania we know with some additions here and there - however the additions are there in Old Gridania too.

Of course I know we're sent to the future, but I like to nitpick when people use this argument with Old Gridania :p

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

The thing is, we don't travel to the future.

We're put in stasis in another dimension for the five years.

I don't think anything in XIV can travel forward and backward in time, more that it can take us to another dimension.

iirc the maws worked the same way in XI.

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Where did they release this tidbit of information? The power of echo was certainly timetravel: when you interacted with people during the echo, they remembered in the present.

Gotta love these arbitrary definitions of what is and isn't time travel.

By reading this, you time traveled a few seconds into the fuuuuture.

The most important thing I wanted to say in my post, is that I hope that Yoshi has a LONG story and make the game evolve and move into that line. I'm hoping to live the same story for years, not different stories with different characters each expansion pack, like FFXI or WoW expansion model, if we get expansions, I want them just empowering the same story and moving it forward.

The whole year dalamud event was even more epic because we could feel the development of the story in game, with the meteor growing in the sky, changes in the world, etc... I'd just like that but on a bigger scale, for 6 -7 years or more, and the Chrono Trigger way of story telling and to introduce new locations and such was really well tied, so I would like something similar with this game.

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Originally Posted by Venat

How about we get a DeLorean mount.

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Where's that picture of Louisoix standing next to a DeLorean sayinf "Get in the car". We need that....

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

Where did they release this tidbit of information? The power of echo was certainly timetravel: when you interacted with people during the echo, they remembered in the present.

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Realizing the end is nigh, Louisoix summons the last of his strength to call upon Althyk, the Keeper, god of space and time, to send those surviving heroes into an aetherial rift, where they are to remain untouched by the passing of the seasons until it is once again safe to emerge...and continue their struggle to forge Eorzea's future.
We await the return of FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn, and will look for you fellow adventurers in the dawn of a new Eorzea!

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Source: http://na.square-enix.com/finalfanta..._end_of_an_era

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Originally Posted by Arcturus

Gotta love these arbitrary definitions of what is and isn't time travel.

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Would you say that someone who awoke from cryogenic sleep (if it were possible) would have time traveled?

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Source: http://na.square-enix.com/finalfanta..._end_of_an_era

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It's also narrated in the first ARR trailer here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frIJ...ure=plpp_video

The wording is quite specific in that we were sent into a place where we remained safely.

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Originally Posted by Raldo

By reading this, you time traveled a few seconds into the fuuuuture.

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FTFY - By reading this, you have time traveled a few seconds into the passsst

As for the power of the echo, we really don't know much about it. We could be reading and manipulating memories as far as we know.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

As for the power of the echo, we really don't know much about it. We could be reading and manipulating memories as far as we know.

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That's exactly what the Echo is.

The Echo allows the user to dive into the usee's memories, and experience them firsthand as though they were happening right before the user's eyes; and, to an extent, you can interact with that person's memories and manipulate them, and they WILL have an effect on that person. But the changes of a memory only effect that single person and nobody else.

The Echo isn't so much time travel as it is diving into a person's subconscious to view their memories in real-time.

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Originally Posted by Yucie

That's exactly what the Echo is.

The Echo allows the user to dive into the usee's memories, and experience them firsthand as though they were happening right before the user's eyes; and, to an extent, you can interact with that person's memories and manipulate them, and they WILL have an effect on that person. But the changes of a memory only effect that single person and nobody else.

The Echo isn't so much time travel as it is diving into a person's subconscious to view their memories in real-time.

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Ah, thanks for the clarification. I haven't been keeping up with that side of the story really.

So yeah, no time travel has really occurred yet.

http://i.imgur.com/grrsa.jpg

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Originally Posted by Elexia

^ Proper use of sarcasm.

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ntsc-front.jpg

http://www.ozgameshop.com/product_im...i2_132_raw.jpg

FFXI doesn't have an awful time travel story, no. But he said almost always.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

Where did they release this tidbit of information? The power of echo was certainly timetravel: when you interacted with people during the echo, they remembered in the present.

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No, you were able to interact with their memories NOT time travel

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

The thing is, we don't travel to the future.

We're put in stasis in another dimension for the five years.

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Welcome to the chamber of time!

Yes, you've been here for five years!

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Originally Posted by Raldo

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No more of this time travel crap.

Use it once to get us to 2.0, but after that, never again. Time travel almost always leads to bad bad stories.

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Gotta agree with this guy, though not necessarily with the bad stories part.

I realize that making whole new zones are harder(/more expensive) than taking a preexisting map and modifying it. But the maws and different dimensions are getting old. In the future, if they want to make an expansion, I would rather it be a completely new region than a recycled map.

Not only is the sense of exploration greater, but it makes the world as a whole seem larger.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I haven't been keeping up with that side of the story really.

So yeah, no time travel has really occurred yet.

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Yup. But there are some people that realize what you did. Like that one Seedseer that gets pissed at you for using Echo on her.

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Originally Posted by Rau

http://i.imgur.com/grrsa.jpg

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I was thinking of this a while ago (I have no idea how long this meme pic has been around but I've seen it circulating for about a week) and eventually came to the conclusion that the stasis idea is the lesser of two stupid storytelling evils. Time travel is dopey, the Echo would be horrid, and time travel into the past would be even worse. Honestly, if they were going for the least cheesy and disappointing of hammered plot devices, I'll take the one they've given.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Would you say that someone who awoke from cryogenic sleep (if it were possible) would have time traveled?

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No, though some people might argue for Rip Van Winkle, which is widely considered a time-travel narrative. However, how does being "sent beyond the reach of time" equate to cryogenic sleep? It seems like you're handily conflating the two.

As far as what's been shown to us, the characters are moving between two different points in time, unaffected by time's passage relative to Eorzea. See time dilation.

what exactly is the difference in time traveling 5 years.... or being in cryogenic stasis for 5 years.... we still end up in the future... are people blind to how redundant that sounds?

over-thinking all this waaaaay too much... go read a book or play another game for awhile and stop trying to over analyze the way things are worded into "I'm right your wrong" bullshit

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Originally Posted by Yucie

The main characters are put into stasis, and time passes around them. There is no alternate reality, dimension, or ANY sort of time travel at all.

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A lot of this is conjecture. Aside from the point that the spell Louisiox casts is from the Twelves' aspect of time (hourglass logo appeared).

Regardless, there are two primary forms of future time travel that have been used before in TV, movies, games etc.

1: You travel to the future, but history assumes you will eventually return to the present, and therefore your future self still exists in that future. (ex: marty mcfly being in the closet outside his elder self, Back to the Future II)

2: You travel to the future, and due to your removal from the timeline, history exists as if you blinked out of existence on the date from which you originated, and you can only begin influencing the world again from the day in which you return.

ARR is clearely based on the second, and quite frankly the likely more viable scenario.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

2: You travel to the future, and due to your removal from the timeline, history exists as if you blinked out of existence on the date from which you originated, and you can only begin influencing the world again from the day in which you return.

ARR is clearely based on the second, and quite frankly the likely more viable scenario.

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Yup, it's basically exactly what the shonen manga/anime, Fairy Tail, did. A literal timeskip. Kinda funny, cause it was related to a dragon and it was done by a powerful mage, too. This happened in October 2011.

Whoops, spoilers.

just stop.