Funny Final Fantasy homage in Muv-Luv Alternative

http://tenka.seiha.org/images3/te18/14.jpg

From the latest episode of Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse :D

Coeurl's didn't originate from the Final Fantasy series. Google it, bro.

I really wish Age would make something new. Considering that some of the big players in TerraLunar/GetsumenKichimae joined Age, I figured they would have come up with something different instead of yet another re-release of Kimi ga nozomu eien and yet another Muv Luv game. >.>

/rant off

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeurl

So did that show end up actually getting good? After finding out its actually not a giant robot show... but an dating sim with giant robots, i kind of lost interest.

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Originally Posted by Adol

Coeurl's didn't originate from the Final Fantasy series. Google it, bro.

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May have wanted to google it yourself, "bro". Van Vogt's coeurls are black and have either a hand or a suction thingie at the end of their tentacles. The one in that picture has pointy tentacles, and only Final Fantasy has that kind of design for them.

Next time, I advise doing some research before coming out this aggressively on something you don't know :D

@Rau: It's not bad at all.

It's a show about aliens eating people alive and giant mechs. There are zero fantasy elements in it. Why would you assume it's referencing something completely unrelated to it and not Van Vogt? Not to mention, what do you think Final Fantasy Coeurls were based off?

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Originally Posted by Addicted

It's a show about aliens eating people alive and giant mechs. There are zero fantasy elements in it. Why would you assume it's referencing something completely unrelated to it and not Van Vogt? Not to mention, what do you think Final Fantasy Coeurls were based off?

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It's a JAPANESE show, why would you assume it's referencing a canadian author and not one of the most famous JAPANESE video game series of all times, that is quite a lot more embedded in their pop culture than Van Vogt could ever be?

Why do I assume it? Lessee.. because The Coeurl portrayed looks nothing like Van Vogt's coeurls, and exactly like Final Fantasy's coeurls, that are quite different?

I would say that's a pretty sound reason.

Van Vogt's coeurls:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eeEY0eiAoi...oyer-large.jpg
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/MM...MM35_PG67a.jpg

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Originally Posted by Abriael

It's a JAPANESE show, why would you assume it's referencing a canadian author and not one of the most famous JAPANESE video game series of all times.

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Splitting hairs. MuvLuv is Scifi. Van Vogt writes Scifi. That makes far more sense than nationality.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

Splitting hairs. MuvLuv is Scifi. Van Vogt writes Scifi. That makes far more sense than nationality.

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Besides the fact that pop culture is normally much more important in homages than genre, you very conveniently forgot the other part, I see. If they wanted to homage van vogt, why exactly didn't they portray Van Vogt's Coeurls (that have a very specific appearence that looks nothing like the one represented on that truck); but portrayed a Final Fantasy coeurl?

Oh I'm so eager to read how you justify that. Do try please.

Oh. By the way. Aside from the traits I already described, no representation of Van Vogt's Coeurls (nor his descriptions) has a puffy tail like the one you see on the truck. Guess which ones DO have a puffy tail?

You're trying way too hard. Just stop.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

You're trying way too hard. Just stop.

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I know, i know. you'd love it. It burns to be proven wrong :D

As a matter of fact, I'm not trying any hard. All it took is a bit of research. Something that those that encouraged me to "google" it should have done themselves.

Sometimes it's good to follow your own advice.

What you posted.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eeEY0eiAoi...oyer-large.jpg

What it's relating to.

http://tenka.seiha.org/images3/te18/14.jpg

What you're trying to compare it to.

http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...url_Battle.jpg

It resembles the Van Vogt version far more than the Final Fantasy version. It also ties into Sci-Fi, which is what MuvLuv is.

You're wrong and you can't admit it. It was as though you've been trying to make an ass out of yourself this entire time.

You know that feeling you have when someone does or says something so embarrassing that you feel that stomach sinking feeling of embarrassment too?

Like the embarrassment is so great it overflows and affects your body though you are merely witnessing it?

It's happening.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

What you posted.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eeEY0eiAoi...oyer-large.jpg

What it's relating to.

http://tenka.seiha.org/images3/te18/14.jpg

What you're trying to compare it to.

http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...url_Battle.jpg

It resembles the Van Vogt version far more than the Final Fantasy version. It also ties into Sci-Fi, which is what MuvLuv is.

You're wrong and you can't admit it. It was as though you've been trying to make an ass out of yourself this entire time.

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Actually no not really... The tentical/whisker things in the Muv Luv pic are like the Final Fantasy version in which it is coming from the head... The Van Vogt version is on the shoulders of the cat...

I actually wanted to point out that when you posted the two pics Abriael of the coeurl and the other creature... the other cat is not a coeurl it is loosely based on the coeurl design but it is a Displacer Beast... much different I must say...

Anyways... carry on... and so forth...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

It resembles the Van Vogt version far more than the Final Fantasy version. It also ties into Sci-Fi, which is what MuvLuv is.

You're wrong and you can't admit it. It was as though you've been trying to make an ass out of yourself this entire time.

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Oooh looks like someone has ran out of logical arguments so he's resorting to personal attacks. I'll let the mods judge you on that :D

As for the logical arguments, let me spell it out for your sake with an easy little graphical representation.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7133/8...09dc1651_o.jpg

You are all taking this way too seriously.

I like how you had to use a FFXI Couerl just to attempt to prove me wrong on the fluffy tail. Too bad the build doesn't even resemble the build on MuvLuv's Couerl. So you just proved me right.

Not that you needed my help with that or anything.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

I like how you had to use a FFXI Couerl just to attempt to prove me wrong on the fluffy tail. Too bad the build doesn't even resemble the build on MuvLuv's Couerl. So you just proved me right.

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I suggest you google "final fantasy coeurl". Almost all the coeurls in the final fantasy series have a fluffy tail (and several different types of builds). I just picked the first one that I came across.

On the other end, absolutely no coeurl on any representation made by Van Vogt or made for his books has a fluffy tail.

So yeah, you've been proven wrong. I'm sure you'll live.

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Originally Posted by Bowen

You are all taking this way too seriously.

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I'm sure not the one insulting people over it.

Though it is funny how some people feel the need to be rude/insulting/confrontational over something that was meant to be funny.

Guess the internet doesn't disappoint.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behemoth_(roller_coaster)

Have you guys been on this ride? Best Final Fantasy based roller coaster ever.

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Originally Posted by Norack

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behemoth_(roller_coaster)

Have you guys been on this ride? Best Final Fantasy based roller coaster ever.

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Behemoth has been adopted as a common word in the English language.

Coeurl is not. A coeurl can be only two things. One fits that image (the Final Fantasy Coeurl), the other doesn't (the Van Vogt Coeurl). Guess what?

IX, X, and XI does not equate to "All of the Coeurls in Final Fantasy".

The fact that Final Fantasy has various types of Coeurls proves your statement wrong. Why this is even the argument to begin with is asinine. The original statement was "Final Fantasy did not invent Coeurls."

And he was right. That was the point that was made. Keep digging that hole of yours, though.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

IX, X, and XI does not equate to "All of the Coeurls in Final Fantasy".

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You forgot the "almost"

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The fact that Final Fantasy has various types of Coeurls proves your statement wrong. Why this is even the argument to begin with is asinine. The original statement was "Final Fantasy did not invent Coeurls."

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You're the one that turned it into an "argument" (enough to push you to be insulting). So guess who the definition you just brought applies to?

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And he was right. That was the point that was made. Keep digging that hole of yours, though.

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The problem is that the fact that final fantasy didn't invent coeurls has nothing to do with it, as the coeurl represented in that picture is evidently not a van vogt coeurl (again, they're described very precisely, have you even read his novel?).

While it definitely resembles quite a few final fantasy designs.

THREE FINAL FANTASY GAMES IS ALMOST THE ENTIRE SERIES.

I was actually trying to correct you, not make an arguement out of it.

Finally, it looks more like Von Vogt's version of Coeurls, it also makes more sense. How many times have we gone full circle at this point? Have you even played Final Fantasy?

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

THREE FINAL FANTASY GAMES IS ALMOST THE ENTIRE SERIES.

I was actually trying to correct you, not make an arguement out of it.

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Do you call an "ass" everyone you "try to correct"?

I see that'd be the best way to "not to make an argument", for sure :D

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Finally, it looks more like Von Vogt's version of Coeurls, it also makes more sense. How many times have we gone full circle at this point? Have you even played Final Fantasy?

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I would say I provided enough pictorial evidence to show that Van Vogt's coeurls look *nothing* like those in that picture.

As a matter of fact, you provided none.

I've played every Final Fantasy since I, and some of them multiple times. Did you (and you didn't answer. Did you read Van Vogt's novel?)?

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Coeurl is not. A coeurl can be only two things. One fits that image (the Final Fantasy Coeurl), the other doesn't (the Van Vogt Coeurl). Guess what?

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Yeah, no.

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Coeurl appear as feline enemies in the Final Fantasy series, usually with enlarged tentacle-like whiskers.
The displacer beast in the Dungeons & Dragons role-playing game was inspired by the coeurl—the two have the same idea of tentacles coming from the shoulders, as well as a feline appearance, and the displacer beast uses "vibrations" to confuse its enemies.
The Dirty Pair have a coeurl named Mughi as a sidekick.
Coeurls inhabit Mount Zoaka in the MUD Lusternia.
A combat droid used by the lead character in David Gerrold's novel A Season for Slaughter is similarly catlike and vocalises the word "Coeurl" when it is on standby and awaiting further orders.
The Pathfinder Roleplaying Game was able to secure permission for a single use of Van Vogt's original coeurl in the adventure booklet The End of Eternity.

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And where do you think Square got the idea of a Coeurl from anyway?

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Originally Posted by Bowen

And where do you think Square got the idea of a Coeurl from anyway?

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Sure, and what does it have to do with this exactly? Muv Luv didn't invent mecha, but if I put in my work a Muv Luv mecha, i'm making an homage to muv luv, not to whoever invented mecha.

As a matter of fact, I read the space beagle quite a lot before anyone of you guys came here all stuffy to show your wikipedia knowledge. Knowing who invented coeurl doesn't prevent me from recognizing that the one depicted looks a lot more like those shown in several final fantasy titles, while it has nothing to do with Van Vogt.

If they wanted to homage Van Vogt, why did they make the tentacles come out of the head and not the shoulders? Why there are no hads or suction cups at the end (which are the most prominent features coeurls have as per Van Vogt's descriptions)? It doesn't make any sense.

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Originally Posted by Bowen

Yeah, no.


And where do you think Square got the idea of a Coeurl from anyway?

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Displacer Beasts do not use vibrations... they have a magical displacement ability... not vibrations... It is pretty much just an illusion spell in a way that makes the displacer beast appear to be in one spot while it is really in a different spot...

Also I think most of you a getting a bit ridiculous in this whole argument thing... I don't think it matters where the coeurl came from... The one in the picture from Muv Luv is more in line to what a coeurl in Final Fantasy looks like then a Van Vogt coeurl...

What are you all fighting for again anyways? I mean really... is this some big personal deal or something?

You humans are so silly at times...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

This anime--being from Japan, created by Japanese people with a Japanese audience in mind--is more likely than not referring to the coeurls of FF than from any other fiction.

This does not mean Square invented coeurls. This does not mean D&D invented coeurls. In fact, it doesn't matter who invented coeurls first. What matters is what is most recognizable to the audience or, you could argue, what the author intended to be recognizable.

In literature/film/theater, this is called allusion.

In anime and video games, it's apparently flamebait.

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

This anime--being from Japan, created by Japanese people with a Japanese audience in mind--is more likely than not referring to the coeurls of FF than from any other fiction.

This does not mean Square invented coeurls. This does not mean D&D invented coeurls. In fact, it doesn't matter who invented coeurls first. What matters is what is most recognizable to the audience or, you could argue, what the author intended to be recognizable.

In literature/film/theater, this is called allusion.

In anime and video games, it's apparently flamebait.

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Lol, my point exactly.

I can't believe I just read this thread.

Ugh, mondays.