Leashed monsters, zones and 2.0?

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10-10-2012, 07:45 PM
Arkine

Leashed monsters, zones and 2.0?

Hello folks.

While doing the imperial event or "hat farming" I started wondering about how monsters and aggro will be handled in 2.0(ARR).

For those who don't know, you farm the imperials by aggroing then running away from the repeatedly, and attacking them as they return to their territory. (ridiculous design by the way, making content that can't be beaten by the max number of people you can have in a group? why?)

Currently, monsters have a territory or to be more accurate they're leashed to a place, they'll see you, start to chase you then this will happen to them

http://www.easyvectors.com/assets/im...n-clip-art.jpg

and they'll de-aggro and run back, however with 2.0 moving from a semi-seamless world back to zones with loading screens between them, are we going back to the FFXI era aggro system where mobs will chase you until you zone or they lose your scent (walk on water or cast deodorize) or are we going to stick to the leashes but with (probably) a smaller range?

What would you guys prefer?
10-10-2012, 07:48 PM
Duuude007

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Originally Posted by Arkine

For those who don't know, you farm the imperials by aggroing then running away from the repeatedly, and attacking them as they return to their territory. (ridiculous design by the way, making content that can't be beaten by the max number of people you can have in a group? why?)

Not by design.
Youre doing it wrong.

I've been in 8-player groups (with 1 non-combating non-healing scout) that can kill H-1 and all the elites at a rate of 12x an hour or more.
10-10-2012, 07:53 PM
Arkine

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Not by design.
Youre doing it wrong.

I've been in 8-player groups (with 1 non-combating non-healing scout) that can kill H-1 and all the elites at a rate of 12x an hour or more.

I'd like to know your strategy.
10-10-2012, 08:02 PM
CharlieXenn

12 per hour so you're talking maybe 3-4 minute kills (taking into account running between pop locations etc). That sounds to me like a WHM Holy burn and I'm pretty sure that wasn't the intended "design" either.

I completely agree with OP. Also IMO events like this people should be able to join and have some fun with. Is it too much to ask for people to be able to work together? Would have been nice to have parties be able to fight together (this is an MMO afterall) and everyone have a chance at a drop. Instead parties just either fight for claim or stand around waiting for next pop or party to wipe, whichever comes first. Retarded much?
10-10-2012, 08:04 PM
SirEdeonX

I've done it with 2 PLDs, 2 WHMs, 4 BLMs. 1 PLD tanks the H1 and one whm focus on healing him. The other pld get all the elites and the blms use Sleepga to sleep them. Then you just pick them one by one.

As for the Topic, I'd love to see Deodorize and the others make a come back ^^
10-10-2012, 08:12 PM
Stufoo

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Originally Posted by Arkine

I'd like to know your strategy.

Not sucking. PLD WAR WAR DRG DRG BRD WHM WHM makes it a joke. The second tank could be another paladin if you want, and the dragoons can be anything, monks, black mages, more warriors, whatever. You just want to have the three damage dealers focusing down one elite at a time to lower the groups overall damage taken. More things alive, more things hitting you, it's math or somethin I dunno. It's a ticking time bomb until your mitigation runs out and you get unlucky, just like the monk faction leve.

The warriors run in and aggro, the paladin provokes the robot and points it away from everything else. One white mage half babysits the paladin holding the robot (stun is the only halfway dangerous thing, as nothing in this game can outright kill a paladin) and both of the white mages focus on the group. Kill things. It's very simple.

I've never done the leashing or sleeping thing because those both sound very boring.
10-10-2012, 08:26 PM
Chardrizard

The strategy to farming hat properly is..

one tank, two healer, one sleeper, mad DPS.
Sleep mobs, tank H-1, pick one by one.

yea.. theres nothing special

the good thing about leashing point for this fight is if tank dies, u can just run to the leash point or when mobs starting to resists sleeps because your DPS is slow and restart the fight once everybody is refreshed,
10-10-2012, 08:31 PM
AntonyB

Only ever been in leashed fights, It's so boring and most BLMs kill while they are returning anyways, so pointless. ;/
10-10-2012, 09:42 PM
Elexia

Considering monsters in ARR are there for scenery purposes and have no use to you (you level and whatnot through Quest Grinding and Dungeons will be the source of anything most likely) nothing will probably aggro and have heavy leashes since we have them now in XIV because people complained mobs will chase you for too long.
10-10-2012, 10:14 PM
PSxpert2011

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Originally Posted by Arkine

Hello folks.

While doing the imperial event or "hat farming" I started wondering about how monsters and aggro will be handled in 2.0(ARR).

For those who don't know, you farm the imperials by aggroing then running away from the repeatedly, and attacking them as they return to their territory. (ridiculous design by the way, making content that can't be beaten by the max number of people you can have in a group? why?)

Currently, monsters have a territory or to be more accurate they're leashed to a place, they'll see you, start to chase you then this will happen to them

http://www.easyvectors.com/assets/im...n-clip-art.jpg

and they'll de-aggro and run back, however with 2.0 moving from a semi-seamless world back to zones with loading screens between them, are we going back to the FFXI era aggro system where mobs will chase you until you zone or they lose your scent (walk on water or cast deodorize) or are we going to stick to the leashes but with (probably) a smaller range?

What would you guys prefer?

Wow, could you see how quickly this thread derailed?

I'd prefer the FFxi aggro way(hellz yeah) Old School baby! Having the possibility to escape is a must too because after awhile, mobs should /unfollow.

The thing with XIV is, the mob-bastards have /range... (nuff said) >.>
10-11-2012, 12:21 AM
Quesse

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Considering monsters in ARR are there for scenery purposes and have no use to you (you level and whatnot through Quest Grinding and Dungeons will be the source of anything most likely) nothing will probably aggro and have heavy leashes since we have them now in XIV because people complained mobs will chase you for too long.

You almost make it sound depressing >.>;
10-11-2012, 12:38 AM
Churchill

This is Square Enix, prepare to be depressed.
10-11-2012, 12:46 AM
Orophin

I'd really prefer not to get chased for 5 minutes straight until I can change areas. I'm a cautious person by nature, but shit happens. (aka the inevitable goblin aggro while you're fighting something else, I'm looking at you FFXI)

If speed runs for dungeons are going away then maybe people might feel a little more compelled to clear trash in the new dungeons. Otherwise, the exception to the above would be I would want anything inside a dungeon to follow you until you or they are dead. Darkhold was the most annoying thing ever to me and I don't want to see mechanics like that again.
10-11-2012, 12:52 AM
Alhanelem

you kinda havee to have leashing if you're not going to have S/I. However, in most games where this happens, the enemy becomes un-hittable while it's returning to its territory, making it harder to abuse.
10-11-2012, 12:59 AM
Elexia

While true, in XIV they're more of the: "*Chases for 3 feet and stops "Eh screw this" *sits back on couch and watch TV* variety.

So while leashing always exists, its pretty severe in XIV.
10-11-2012, 01:10 AM
Molly_Millions

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Originally Posted by AntonyB

Only ever been in leashed fights, It's so boring and most BLMs kill while they are returning anyways, so pointless. ;/

Send me a /t if you want to do this the right way. I'll give all drops to other pt members. I just want to be in a group who doesn't mind losing the fight to beat them the way SE intended. No English speaking groups on Balmung ever want to do it right.
10-11-2012, 01:35 AM
Reika

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

you kinda havee to have leashing if you're not going to have S/I. However, in most games where this happens, the enemy becomes un-hittable while it's returning to its territory, making it harder to abuse.

and they recover to full HP instantly upon returning.
10-11-2012, 02:54 AM
Taika

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

No English speaking groups on Balmung ever want to do it right.

Haha. I've been in groups which have killed them the "right" way and seen other groups kill them like that. Most groups leash though, as it's safer and anyone can do that, even if it's a lot slower.
10-11-2012, 03:15 AM
Molly_Millions

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Originally Posted by Taika

Haha. I've been in groups which have killed them the "right" way and seen other groups kill them like that. Most groups leash though, as it's safer and anyone can do that, even if it's a lot slower.

I want to, but every single group I've been in want to leash them. So sad. =/

Same in Castrum Novum. About a week ago, some LS mates and I were camping and killing the first H1 the right way, and along comes another group and ninjas the H1 so they can leash it. So freakin' lame.
10-11-2012, 03:40 AM
Arkine

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

Wow, could you see how quickly this thread derailed?

I'd prefer the FFxi aggro way(hellz yeah) Old School baby! Having the possibility to escape is a must too because after awhile, mobs should /unfollow.

The thing with XIV is, the mob-bastards have /range... (nuff said) >.>

On the bright side, now I have a bunch of strategies to use on this fight instead of the slingshot method.
10-11-2012, 04:21 AM
indira

they should chase you threw the whole zone or do a EQ and chase you till you die or they kill you even zoning.
10-11-2012, 04:39 AM
Molly_Millions

I miss mob trains from XI. You screwed up, so you better haul ass. :P
10-11-2012, 04:56 AM
Majidah

I miss having to ready escape and gather after getting that one cool kill in
10-11-2012, 05:07 AM
Jocko

I assume the point of leashing was to compliment XIV's large, open world design; there's no end in sight, mobs would be chasing you for upwards of 20 minutes. 2.0 promises to segregate each area into multiple bite sized chucks much like XI, so mobs may very well see a change to how they zone around
10-12-2012, 01:34 AM
Alhanelem

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Originally Posted by Elexia

While true, in XIV they're more of the: "*Chases for 3 feet and stops "Eh screw this" *sits back on couch and watch TV* variety.

So while leashing always exists, its pretty severe in XIV.

Actually,i disagree. Most enemies leash rather far compared to other games. In some cases, they actually dont leash, or leash REALLY far away.
10-12-2012, 01:36 AM
Shougun

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Actually,i disagree. Most enemies leash rather far compared to other games. In some cases, they actually dont leash, or leash REALLY far away.

There are some leve quests in horizon with humanoids that will chase you cross entire zones lol

A lot of monsters dont go that far though, compared to FFXI at least.