FFXIV Fishing System

Hello there guys.
I just sent in a suggestion about current XIV fishing system.
Am i the only one who consider it kinda boring? Am i the only one who actually think XI had the best dishing system that players ever experienced?
I'll type some of the best things i loved in XI system that XIV doesnt have, nor plants to as far as i know:

1) The fight fishing system: I liked how the fighting fish system worked and how challenging it was most of the time, mostly while catching Ebisu fishing rod fish. The current XIV system is boring, and alike all the other (Botanist, Miner) which gets me bored after lvling Miner and Botanist to lvl fishing in almost the same way.

2) How hard it was to get skill ups: Fishing actually needed alot of effort and work to get to 100, which was good because every game requires some challenge in order for people to actually feel proud of having it at cap when they reach it. The current system is too easy, specially if you take the leve's to level it.

3) Fishing quests: 'Inside the Belly' was the main fishing quest, where we whouldnt only need to sell fish at the AH or craft it or NPC, but actually give it to NPC's in a hope of obtaining an item that supposedly was "inside the fish belly" and whould actually give good items, such as 'Pirate's Char' and 'Brigands Chart' which mostly only Pirates droped the best multi-hit dagger in XI till the introduction of Abyssea Augmented Weapons.

4) Fish on the boats: I loved this part, specially when there were RMT bots fishing there and pirates showed up and kicked their butts off. Aside of kicking RMT's butts, i loved the challenge to solo Silverhook and Blackbeard as SMN for fun while having a quick fishing break to do so. Not only this, but also the possible fish caugh changed too, and we had the chance of catching 'pirate's rides only' fish.

5) Rod Breaks: This was totally mean at times, but was actually good, so people couldnt just grab a weak rod and fish most of the fishes avalable in the game with it. Also made fishing more harder to lvl up, which was good because not everyone had it maxed and it was actually hard to get there. Also the contests for Lu Shangs and Ebisu were challenging and people actually aimed for those rods to actually be good at this (craft? i think it was considered a craft in XI since it was in the Crafts list).

I can be forgetting good stuff of ffxi fishing system that i didnt mention, but mostly, i loved the entire system and how challenging it was. I mostly made this topic to see how many more out there played XI fishing and miss it like i do. Right now XI system is pointless because i just hate how easy the game turned. There is no point in playing XI just for fishing, but some kind of this stuff could be added to the game to make it more challenging and fun.
I know, as obvious, there will be ppl rating this thread down, which i dont care, because it all happens in every thread. People want stuff easy to do, and to get to top as quick as possible so they can probably go play other games and try to master it all and mention how great they are. For those with work and all that, Fishing in XI was something u could just go, relax, wait for a bite, fight it, relax again, and not entirely a MUST to do, only those who loved it wanted to do it most of the time (like me).

Btw am i the only one who think XIV is pretty dead atm? I cant even do SB partys anymore because none wants too.... Atomos is dead too at NA times, it always despawns. God where are we getting to! (i know new WoW stuff made alot to move games again and so did GW2, but its actually sad :/ and cant do most of the stuff anymore).

From what it appears in the 2.0 videos gathering is going to have less of a mini game. So maybe you will have to fight to get something like that back if you want.

I do wish they had some epic fish though, and fishing on boats. Push for those :D

I wasnt too fond of my rod breaking lol... perhaps with this games repair system it wouldnt be so bad.

I would suggest giving more of a reason to fish. After that then we can work on the fun part :)

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Originally Posted by DreadNaught

I would suggest giving more of a reason to fish. After that then we can work on the fun part :)

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Well you can self level your alchemist and cooker with it. I hope in 2.0 they will let us have varying sized aquariums* in our house, would love to have some fish lol. Or put them in the ocean if you are in that zone, in the river for the other.

As for the actual minigame, I actually rather enjoy the method on FFXIV over FFXI, and this is coming from a fishing nut who came over from FFXI. (I never did get the Lu Shang rod, but I can guarantee you that I supplied my fair share of Moat Carp to the local AHs :3 )

However, I definitely wouldn't mind if it was a little more challenging.

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Originally Posted by DreadNaught

I would suggest giving more of a reason to fish. After that then we can work on the fun part :)

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Quests such as Inside the belly whould make it worth it! but what mostly troubles me now is really the fishing system, its kinda boring.... being thee watching a point going right and left, pick where its supposed to be to fish the fish, and bam, u get the fish. No challenge at all :\

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Originally Posted by Seig345

As for the actual minigame, I actually rather enjoy the method on FFXIV over FFXI, and this is coming from a fishing nut who came over from FFXI. (I never did get the Lu Shang rod, but I can guarantee you that I supplied my fair share of Moat Carp to the local AHs :3 )

However, I definitely wouldn't mind if it was a little more challenging.

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Challenging and different from the other DoL lol, all 3 have almsot the same mini-game, altho with diferent graphics, but its almost the same stuff...

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Originally Posted by Tiago

Challenging and different from the other DoL lol, all 3 have almsot the same mini-game, altho with diferent graphics, but its almost the same stuff...

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I agree... however, being a selfish fisher, as much as I enjoy the mini game, the other two can have something different, and leave me my metronome X)

IMHO, the minigame seems to make sense with fishing the most, the way you have to feel a knack for where the fish in the area you're fishing in are likely to be. With chopping wood and mining rocks, you're not dealing with something that's alive.

XIV's current fishing would be fun if all the latency issues didn't make it clunky as hell.

Since we are talking about fish, its not too much to ask for fish to actually be in the water is it.. lol (visually)

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Since we are talking about fish, its not too much to ask for fish to actually be in the water is it.. lol (visually)

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Maybe see the fish coming from the water too? If that's the case they whould have to do that too lol

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Originally Posted by Seig345

I agree... however, being a selfish fisher, as much as I enjoy the mini game, the other two can have something different, and leave me my metronome X)

IMHO, the minigame seems to make sense with fishing the most, the way you have to feel a knack for where the fish in the area you're fishing in are likely to be. With chopping wood and mining rocks, you're not dealing with something that's alive.

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Isnt it always the same "sweet spot" to target the same fish over and over? And the rod moving location always the same? That way it isnt the normal way a fisherman normally fishes since its random the catch unless ur fishing in a place where only 1 kind of fish is out there!

I just finished fisher to 50 and I have to say that I am really thankful that leve's exist. During the lower levels I didnt use leve's that often but 43ish to 50 is insanely dumb (exp-per-catch) and leve's save you tons of hours doing it. Having an NPC at the crystals issuing leve's would of been nice as well since you can only obtain 2 at a time...

But all in all, I like the fishing mini-game because its interactive and not just a 1button click and wait. THAT would be boring...

I just got the hang of fishing, is my least favorite job in the game. Just last night I was going a fishing leve. My time expired and I failed the leve. After taking a game break, because I was aggravated that I wasted 30 mins to fail a leve. Afterwards of making a few adjustment. I was snatching fish out of the water. But all gathering and crafting jobs are boring. Make them all more exciting I would say.

I just want boat fishing back, the current ferry is too short in duration and doesn't have worthwhile fish.

Maybe add deep sea fishing with trips lasting for 30 minutes to 1 hour.

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Originally Posted by Tiago

Isnt it always the same "sweet spot" to target the same fish over and over? And the rod moving location always the same? That way it isnt the normal way a fisherman normally fishes since its random the catch unless ur fishing in a place where only 1 kind of fish is out there!

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Wasn't saying it was a realistic representation of fishing. It's only a game, not a fishing sim X)

Also, I've yet to fish in a spot where there's only 1 kind of fish at any 1 depth... Even if you know the sweet spot for the fish you're after, that's not always the fish that's on the hook. Even if you're keeping tabs on the remainder bar, multiple fish hang out at the same depth with the same remainder bar. Then there's the fish from higher and lower depths catching on your hook from time to time.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Well you can self level your alchemist and cooker with it. I hope in 2.0 they will let us have varying sized aquariums* in our house, would love to have some fish lol. Or put them in the ocean if you are in that zone, in the river for the other.

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That's not a reason to be honest. Leveling ALC and CUL can easily be done without FSH, actually, it's even faster if you don't waste time fishing and instead do something more productive (gil/h ratio) and buy the fish.

Fishing should become an end-game element, best consumables for raids should include fish in their recipe in order for fish to be valuable and in order to have a constant demand, at a decent price, for fish. Right now, the effort/reward ratio is pitiful.

I won't even talk about the boringness. When you mine, HQ Ore can make you good money. Same with wood.

Fish? It's a joke. A good half of my fish is going straight to NPC because of the very low demand. Couple items are fine like Navigator's Ear and such, but that's it. I can be more profitable by farming rat tails than actually fishing... How sad is that.

Also i prefer the FF11 fishing system as well. More action oriented mini-game should be imo.

minigame fishing in harvest moon game (PSP one) is fun, I hope they rip it XD

Here how about something even better?

Remove fatigue altogether, for all gathering classes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HIJI_HJXEw

This.

Live letter suggests that Fishing isn't going to be like Botany where it's just click and swing. So it may have a mini-game associated with it. Hopefully they bring back a system similar to XI which was actually fun. I've pretty much avoided fishing in XIV entirely because of how lacking and dull the current system is.

I was a pretty big fishing enthusiast in FF11 and FF14, so I'll go over your points and add my own comments.

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1) The fight fishing system: I liked how the fighting fish system worked and how challenging it was most of the time, mostly while catching Ebisu fishing rod fish. The current XIV system is boring, and alike all the other (Botanist, Miner) which gets me bored after lvling Miner and Botanist to lvl fishing in almost the same way.

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I wouldn't mind seeing this come back, but if they did this I think that they'd need to make the other two gatherers more interactive. There can be some counterarguments to the whole fisherman standing in one place vs botanists/miners having to run around to gather their nodes, but as it sits right now, all are equally easy to bot from testimonials I've read. I don't think fisherman should have to work harder (i.e. click more buttons) than the other two to get their items.

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2) How hard it was to get skill ups: Fishing actually needed alot of effort and work to get to 100, which was good because every game requires some challenge in order for people to actually feel proud of having it at cap when they reach it. The current system is too easy, specially if you take the leve's to level it.

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On this one, I'd actually rather them keep about the same rate of xp gain as it is currently. I recently started FF11 back up since there's not a whole lot more I want to do in FF14 at the moment. I went out and fished up around 50 fish over my level and didn't see a single .1. I really would like to feel like I'm making some headway each time I go out and fish.

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3) Fishing quests: 'Inside the Belly' was the main fishing quest, where we whouldnt only need to sell fish at the AH or craft it or NPC, but actually give it to NPC's in a hope of obtaining an item that supposedly was "inside the fish belly" and whould actually give good items, such as 'Pirate's Char' and 'Brigands Chart' which mostly only Pirates droped the best multi-hit dagger in XI till the introduction of Abyssea Augmented Weapons.

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I really want to see things like this come back. Gatherers in general need more content if they don't want them to feel like a "sub-class". They've mentioned there's going to be things such as treasure maps that you can obtain, but having some other content like the fish gutting would be nice. There's a fish that sells for about 500k on FF11 right now since it has a chance to give you a cape that increases your rate of skill gains while crafting. Things like this would make fishing a more desirable class to take up.

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4) Fish on the boats: I loved this part, specially when there were RMT bots fishing there and pirates showed up and kicked their butts off. Aside of kicking RMT's butts, i loved the challenge to solo Silverhook and Blackbeard as SMN for fun while having a quick fishing break to do so. Not only this, but also the possible fish caugh changed too, and we had the chance of catching 'pirate's rides only' fish.

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I'd definitely love to see a boat route or two set up that was long enough to get a good stretch of fishing in. I liked the Manaclipper in FF11 because it was basically three separate boat rides and each area you could fish in produced slightly different fish. There was even an NM on one of the rides that could only be fought by fishing it up and you only had a small window of time to kill it before the boat ride ended. Things like that were pretty fun. Not to mention the pirate-only fish you had to catch to gut open for baits to get the Ebisu Rod.

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5) Rod Breaks: This was totally mean at times, but was actually good, so people couldnt just grab a weak rod and fish most of the fishes avalable in the game with it. Also made fishing more harder to lvl up, which was good because not everyone had it maxed and it was actually hard to get there. Also the contests for Lu Shangs and Ebisu were challenging and people actually aimed for those rods to actually be good at this (craft? i think it was considered a craft in XI since it was in the Crafts list).

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I don't think this should really be a factor anymore since durability plays more of a part on your fishing rod nowadays.

Now, here's some thoughts on what I think could improve on the fishing system overall:

1. Fish need to have more applications than they currently do. I think they're in a pretty good spot for alchemy, but I feel that they need to have more of a presence in higher level food than they currently do. This will create more demand for different fish and more people may take up fishing. Also, things like the fish gutting from FF11 that can reward gil or a useful item rarely would create more demand for certain types of fish that are current underutilized.

2. Baits in which fish favor and fish distribution by area need to be improved on. I compiled a spreadsheet a long time ago tracking which fish favor which bait, and for most areas all the same fish respond to the same baits. Even when fishing at the sweet spot for a certain fish with favored baits, you'd still get things you weren't targeting more often than not because they liked the bait too.

What I feel needs to change is the favored baits for each fish need to be reworked first. (there's at least 6 fish right now that don't even HAVE a favored bait) After that happens, distribute the fish in each area in such a way that only a maximum of two fish per area will like the same bait. This way, it makes it a lot easier to target a specific fish. Also, with the exception of shell bugs, vendor bought bait (not lures) currently favor no fish. I don't know if this is a balance decision since these baits are intended to be used by starter fisherman and it shouldn't be as easy to single out certain fish with them or not, but I just wanted to point this out.

I think these are really the only couple things I have issues with the current fishing system in addition to the ideas of the OP I agreed with. I like gathering in general and I hope to see all of the DoL's improved on, but fishing holds a special place for me so that's why I'm writing a little more in depth about it.

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1. Fish need to have more applications than they currently do. I think they're in a pretty good spot for alchemy, but I feel that they need to have more of a presence in higher level food than they currently do. This will create more demand for different fish and more people may take up fishing. Also, things like the fish gutting from FF11 that can reward gil or a useful item rarely would create more demand for certain types of fish that are current underutilized.

2. Baits in which fish favor and fish distribution by area need to be improved on. I compiled a spreadsheet a long time ago tracking which fish favor which bait, and for most areas all the same fish respond to the same baits. Even when fishing at the sweet spot for a certain fish with favored baits, you'd still get things you weren't targeting more often than not because they liked the bait too.

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These are really my only issues with Fishing... I don't mind how it works since I think it's something that is fairly relaxing which isn't a bad thing. It definitely could be much faster-paced though. There should be a bit more depth with the bait and stuff like weather/time of day/moon phase as well as some things like Inside the Belly where you can work towards various rewards by hunting specific fish.

No. I HATED the rods breaking. No other gathering class has to deal with breaking their tools, so why should fishing? Maybe the rest of its okay...but definitely not the rods being able to break. Either way, I don't think they should make fishing so much more complicated or difficult than the other gathering classes, especially when fishing is the LEAST rewarding DoL.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

No. I HATED the rods breaking. No other gathering class has to deal with breaking their tools, so why should fishing? Maybe the rest of its okay...but definitely not the rods being able to break. Either way, I don't think they should make fishing so much more complicated or difficult than the other gathering classes, especially when fishing is the LEAST rewarding DoL.

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We were comparing the fishing system from XIV to XI, and XI was more complicated indeed, but also way much moe fun than the current XIV is.

I also gotta add that we should be able to catch fish monsters too, like if you recall well, Devil Manta was rly hugely camped, but at times it was fun to camp and kill it in hopes it whould drop the Angel Skin. I got pissed most of the time because i either whouldnt catch it or get a drop, but i kinda miss all that camping :/

Exiled.

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Originally Posted by Dhalmel

I just want boat fishing back, the current ferry is too short in duration and doesn't have worthwhile fish.

Maybe add deep sea fishing with trips lasting for 30 minutes to 1 hour.

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There should be an exclusive fishing ferry, or maybe islands to fish from.

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Originally Posted by Tiago

I also gotta add that we should be able to catch fish monsters too, like if you recall well, Devil Manta was rly hugely camped, but at times it was fun to camp and kill it in hopes it whould drop the Angel Skin. I got pissed most of the time because i either whouldnt catch it or get a drop, but i kinda miss all that camping :/

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Except catching a monster in XIV wouldn't work... You'd just die because you're a measly fisher and not equipped as a fighting class at the moment you pull the monster up.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

These are really my only issues with Fishing... I don't mind how it works since I think it's something that is fairly relaxing which isn't a bad thing. It definitely could be much faster-paced though. There should be a bit more depth with the bait and stuff like weather/time of day/moon phase as well as some things like Inside the Belly where you can work towards various rewards by hunting specific fish.

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Yeah, fishing in real life is relaxing, and ingame should reflect that.

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Originally Posted by Roaran

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HIJI_HJXEw

This.

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Omg...never. Broke my goddamn thumbs off.

I like FFXI fishing system move it right to left alot. Be nice to see that hugely improved apon.